Swhack! 27 February 2004
00:00:27 <tav> 20?
00:00:39 <d8uv> Seems like that.
00:00:54 <d8uv> I got A0, but I suspect that to be wrong.
00:01:27 <d8uv> Yeah. 20
00:02:55 <tav> U+20AA seems kinda neat...
00:03:32 <tav> you should all love U+03BC though ;p
00:03:42 <sbp> $ codepoint 20AA
00:03:43 <sbp> 20AA: NEW SHEQEL SIGN
00:03:55 <sbp> $ codepoint 03BC
00:03:58 <sbp> 03BC: GREEK SMALL LETTER MU
00:03:59 <tav> url to codepoint code?
00:04:03 <tav> MYOO!
00:04:09 <sbp> nah. uses UnicodeData.txt
00:04:11 <sbp> ah
00:04:54 <tav> aka my latest plot to take over the world.... bwahahahaha!
00:06:42 <d8uv> U+262C is quite nice.
00:07:17 <d8uv> Inappropriate for a semantic web website? Probably.
00:07:56 <tav> where you guys looking? looking @ http://dynarch.com/mishoo/charmap/ here
00:08:33 <sbp> wow, linear A is still undeciphered?
00:08:34 <d8uv> AaronSw: http://www.steveswebpage.com/media/mp3/aff-staggering.mp3
00:08:47 <sbp> tav: http://infomesh.net/200X/unicodechart/
00:09:32 <tav> that dynarch one so much nicer...
00:09:34 <tav> ;p
00:10:30 <d8uv> I'm using the Windows XP Character Map.
00:11:30 <tav> i was thinking there might be a site with pngs, e.g. i don't have 0x262c
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00:11:46 <d8uv> Oooh. U+2440
00:12:46 <d8uv> In fact, the whole 2440-244A is quite nice.
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01:37:38 <sbp> hmm
01:37:44 <sbp> each pixel has three colours
01:37:55 <sbp> each colour can be one of 256 states
01:39:36 <sbp> * sbp tries to work out the best way of doing this
01:39:59 <sbp> 256 is too big, 16 is too little
01:40:43 <sbp> 32's enough, but then we start to spill over...
01:41:30 <sbp> oh well. I was trying out anti-cryptography with favicons, but I guess it's not going to work
01:42:02 <sbp> ideally, to be as anti-cryptographic as one can with the English alphabet, you'd have 26 states
01:42:13 <sbp> then it should be pretty easy to guess
01:42:28 <sbp> otoh, that doesn't leave any room for space, etc.
01:42:40 <sbp> which is why 32's ideal...
01:43:06 <sbp> the first 26 can be alpha, then space, then sundry punctuation that can be guessed
01:43:21 <sbp> numbers would have to be spelled out
01:43:54 <sbp> can we get the alphabet down to 16 letter phonetically?
01:44:25 <sbp> ooh, we could just include all the unvoiced sounds
01:44:32 <sbp> and then have a modifier to voice them. haha!
01:47:23 <sbp> * sbp looks at phonetics charts, shothand materials, and so on
01:47:27 <sbp> er, shorthand
01:49:32 <sbp> one way of doing it:
01:49:33 <sbp> T/D F/V P/B th/TH M N R H K/G SH/ZH S&Z CH/J L
01:51:02 <sbp> don't think it'll work without vowels
01:51:42 <sbp> in any case, if I'm using a modifier, then I'm cheating and may as well use a larger character set
01:56:30 <sbp> could have just a single vowel: "en eny cese, ef e'm eseng e medefeer, then e'm cheeteng end mey es well ese e lerger cherecter set"
01:57:10 <sbp> et mekes yee stert te leegh yeer ess eff ef yee heve te reed thet fer eny length ef teme, theegh
01:57:12 <d8uv> sbp: You know you can just use an indexed color pallete?
01:57:27 <d8uv> And heh.
01:57:45 <sbp> but then you get how many characters per pixel? not many, I'll bet
01:57:51 <sbp> I'm going for six
01:58:17 <sbp> so a favicon would be able to take 1536 characters
01:58:34 <d8uv> 6 characters per color?
01:58:43 <sbp> per pixel, yeah
01:58:52 <sbp> 2 in each channel, RGB
01:58:55 <d8uv> Scary.
01:59:38 <sbp> well since each one is a byte's worth of information, and that leaves space for two values in a character set of 16 chars
01:59:53 <sbp> but I don't think it's possible to communicate with 16 chars
01:59:57 <sbp> even carefully chosen ones
02:00:03 <sbp> unless you start using modifiers, blah blah
02:00:13 <d8uv> I was just going to suggest this:
02:00:30 <d8uv> Use an indexed pallete of 26 colors.
02:00:46 <sbp> ahh
02:00:58 <sbp> that's a very good idea
02:01:04 <d8uv> All going up and down in value according to their index.
02:01:14 <d8uv> Simple stuff, like a = 0
02:01:23 <d8uv> b =1
02:01:26 <d8uv> And such.
02:01:31 <sbp> onlyonecharacterperpixelthoughanditmeansyoucanthavespaceswhichissortaannoyingbutyoucanstillreadthisclearlysothatisnotsobad
02:01:48 <d8uv> Well, then make it 27.
02:01:50 <sbp> so you'd still get 256 out of a favicon
02:01:52 <sbp> heh
02:02:21 <sbp> oh!
02:02:57 <sbp> "It consists of 12 letters and a symbol, making it one of the shortest alphabets in the world"
02:03:02 <sbp> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language
02:03:07 <sbp> we just have to learn Hawaiian
02:03:18 <sbp> it's got plenty of space left over for space, full stop, etc.
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02:06:16 <sbp> hello Morb. do you know Hawaiian?
02:07:01 <Morbus> mekalechahimekahineyhoe
02:07:37 <sbp> shame. you could've helped us out tons!
02:07:48 <tav> well, the context here is "hard to not make posters too busy"
02:07:54 <tav> ehm, ignore
02:07:56 <d8uv> Heh. I think I may have an idea that is roxor
02:08:06 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Prelude To Alice The Goon' from Nurse With Wound's album 'Alice The Goon' (Unrated).
02:08:19 <sbp> funny:
02:08:19 <sbp> >>> len(dict([(n, 0) for n in 'mekalechahimekahineyhoe']).keys())
02:08:20 <sbp> 11
02:08:20 <sbp> >>>
02:08:25 <sbp> I wonder which letter he didn't use? :-)
02:09:00 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: "hard to not make posters too busy"
02:09:50 <sbp> d8uv?
02:10:07 <d8uv> I'm working on maths to make sure it's correct.
02:10:20 <Morbus> i'm working on id3ing mp3s.
02:10:28 <Morbus> it comforts me.
02:10:46 <sbp> chuckle
02:11:35 <Morbus> it does.
02:11:36 <Morbus> really.
02:11:47 <Morbus> i'm over 800 albums now.
02:11:52 <Morbus> got a new dvd-r coming next week too.
02:11:56 <sbp> I know. that's what makes it cool
02:12:15 <Morbus> oh, so you were sympa-maka-funa-me-pathizing?
02:13:26 <sbp> wow. voiced pharyngeal fricatives are kinda cool
02:13:36 <tav> 2459.04.00.13.55 | Playing | Michael Franti and Spearhead - Bomb The World (Armageddon Version) (0:12 / 4:44) | music/michael_franti_and_spearhead/everyone_deserves_music/11_bomb_the_world_(armageddon_version).ogg
02:13:40 <sbp> more like thinking "heh. that's Morbus"
02:14:06 <Morbus> you want file paths? i'll give you file paths <g>.
02:14:11 <tav> ;p
02:14:19 <Morbus> yeah, well, i got ratings in mine.
02:14:27 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Prelude To Alice The Goon' from Nurse With Wound's album 'Alice The Goon' (Rating: 4/5).
02:14:55 <sbp> mmm... voiced velar nasal
02:17:34 <sbp> se merbes, heve yee seen my devewelleng theng yet? e'm tryeng te ceme ep weth e smeller elphebet se thet e cen encede enfermeteen ente fevecens. crezy, ne?
02:17:58 <Morbus> i really think you should spend your time on something productive <g>
02:18:33 <sbp> actually, using "o" looks quite funny too
02:18:48 <sbp> plus, "too" looks like itself
02:18:52 <sbp> but "feet" becomes "foot"
02:18:56 <sbp> which might be confusing
02:19:13 <sbp> you could use foots
02:23:16 <d8uv> sbp: Done. Image and all. Seems to work
02:23:24 <Morbus> ahem. Now Playing: 'Untitled' from Nurse With Wound's album 'Alice The Goon' (Unrated; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004UBAQ/disobeycom).
02:23:29 <d8uv> Want me to put up the data URI?
02:23:33 <sbp> please!
02:23:36 <Morbus> sonuva bitch.
02:23:44 <Morbus> stupid thing sends the ). too.
02:23:46 <sbp> and a new advertising idiom is released to the world...
02:23:54 <Morbus> that won't do.
02:23:57 <d8uv> [[[
02:23:58 <d8uv> data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAwAAAABCAIAAABlidhuAAAAKklEQVR42gXBMQEAMAwCwc7Z4iZC0MWIEAx%2B717b3U0CSGoLzAxwd7Ztf3bUFC9yvBHqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC
02:24:00 <d8uv> ]]]
02:24:07 <d8uv> Wow, fits on one line!
02:24:54 <sbp> greyscale, a dozen pixels...
02:24:59 <sbp> hmm
02:25:11 <sbp> have I got to reverse engineer it, or are you going to tell me? :-)
02:25:35 <d8uv> I'd prefer you reverse engineer, but I'll tell if you want.
02:25:45 <sbp> let me try to reverse engineer first
02:29:17 <tav> surely you wanna keep all the vowels? c, y, x, k, s, j could all go... in fact, i want c to go for real, it's a rather useless letter
02:29:36 <sbp> tav: I wanted to try to get it to 16
02:29:40 <sbp> anyway... the message is:
02:29:40 <sbp> base 10: 178 17 150 255 84 178 255 10 255 56 142 142
02:29:40 <sbp> base 16: B2 11 96 FF 54 B2 FF 0A FF 38 8E 8E
02:30:19 <sbp> FF occurs most commonly
02:30:31 <sbp> and not at the beginning or end... makes me think it's a space
02:30:44 <sbp> (doesn't occur in a double sequence, either)
02:30:50 <sbp> 8E does
02:31:44 <sbp> oh, maybe the pallete has more information... where's my PNG munging thing...
02:31:58 <d8uv> There is no pallette, really.
02:32:41 <d8uv> I abandoned that idea since the indexed pallette would inflate the size, and make things too complicated.
02:35:29 <tav> + w d
02:36:08 <tav> - s + z
02:37:05 <tav> .. dunno about the last 2
02:37:12 <sbp> yeah, took me *ages* to find my PNG tool but I can now confirm that :-)
02:41:57 <sbp> okay, I give in d8uv
02:42:16 <d8uv> Ok. All you need is the base 10 value.
02:42:27 <d8uv> Let's do the first value. 178.
02:43:12 <d8uv> Since there is a total of 255 in two bytes I guess, we'll divide that by 255.
02:43:29 <d8uv> ~.698
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02:44:28 <d8uv> Then, since we are working with 27 total possible characters (26 letters + 1 space), let's times that by 27.
02:44:33 <d8uv> Er...
02:44:43 <d8uv> That's rude.
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02:46:01 <d8uv> [[[
02:46:02 <d8uv> [17:44] <d8uv> Then, since we are working with 27 total possible characters (26 letters + 1 space), let's times that by 27.
02:46:02 <d8uv> [17:44] <d8uv> Er...
02:46:02 <d8uv> [17:44] <d8uv> That's rude.
02:46:03 <d8uv> ]]]
02:46:18 <sbp> thanks. first I got disconnected from the 'net, and then dircproxy lost it too
02:46:36 <d8uv> .698 * 27 = 18.846
02:46:51 <d8uv> Round to the nearest whole number. 19.
02:47:09 <d8uv> And the 19th letter in the alphabet should be "s".
02:47:36 <sbp> damn. that's an excellent method
02:47:41 <d8uv> Thank you.
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02:49:02 <d8uv> In conclusion (with the second) : 17 / 255 = ~.067 .067 * 27 = 1.809 2 = b
02:49:18 <sbp> I get: "sbp hr a foo"
02:49:38 <d8uv> hr? Should be "is"
02:50:28 <sbp> oh, 9 and 19
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02:50:31 <sbp> yeah, I didn't round. sorry
02:50:42 <d8uv> Heh.
02:51:03 <sbp> man, I'm rather impressed
02:51:10 <d8uv> Thanks.
02:51:21 <d8uv> I'm sure you can explain it better than me.
02:52:53 <sbp> ah, that's better:
02:52:54 <sbp> >>> print ''.join([
02:52:54 <sbp> ' abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz '[int((float(i)/255) * 27 + 0.5)]
02:52:54 <sbp> for i in '178 17 150 255 84 178 255 10 255 56 142 142'.split()
02:52:54 <sbp> ])
02:52:54 <sbp> sbp is a foo
02:52:56 <sbp> >>>
02:53:17 <d8uv> Hehehehe.
02:55:20 <sbp> I'm not sure how I'd explain it. you're multiplying the ratio 255:27 by each character in the alpha+space scale...
02:55:45 <sbp> this is where we need deltab's pheersome skillz
02:55:53 <d8uv> Heh
02:57:01 <sbp> hmm
02:57:19 <d8uv> I'd be able to explain it, if I weren't hindered by my lack of math or computer knowledge.
02:57:30 <sbp> so I was right that 255 is a space; and all the characters have a single byte associated with them
02:57:41 <sbp> so if the sample were larger, I think it'd be statistically possible to prove that
02:57:41 <d8uv> Yeah
02:57:55 <sbp> and then you could just etaonrish it
02:58:22 <sbp> * sbp wonders how big a sample of text needs to be before you can break it that way
02:58:39 <d8uv> A page and a half.
02:58:43 <sbp> heh
02:59:28 <sbp> of course, you can make it three times more efficient using colour
02:59:43 <sbp> it would've been even harder to reverse engineer though
02:59:56 <sbp> and you'd have to null pad with spaces
03:00:04 <sbp> so that space distinction would be less obvious... I suppose
03:00:25 <sbp> though the fact that you're using colour should make the necessity of padding obvious
03:01:16 <Morbus> NP: 'G.A.W.M.' from Leather Strip's album 'Fit For Flogging'; Unrated; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001JNU/disobeycom/
03:05:56 <Morbus> [22:00] --- henriquev is now known as \henrique\
03:05:56 <Morbus> [22:04] <\henrique\> bye
03:05:56 <Morbus> [22:04] <\henrique\> I'm going to sleep
03:05:56 <Morbus> [22:04] <Azer-> sleep is for the weak!
03:05:56 <Morbus> [22:04] <Morbus> enriqu?
03:05:57 <Morbus> [22:05] <Morbus> what kinda name is enriqu?
03:06:01 <Morbus> [22:05] <Morbus> oh, i get it. bed posts.
03:06:03 <Morbus> [22:05] <Morbus> huh. cute, in that cosplay sorta way.
03:07:36 <Morbus> [22:06] <\henrique\> Morbus: Henrique is from Enrique, a spanish name(and I'm brazilian and in portuguese is Henrique with H)
03:07:37 <Morbus> [22:06] <Morbus> ne'ermind. you missed it ;)
03:07:37 <Morbus> [22:06] <\henrique\> or only Henry, ahhhh it's all name, all the same... bye
03:07:37 <Morbus> [22:06] <\henrique\> see ya
03:07:43 <Morbus> jeez, everyone thinks they're a scholar.
03:09:17 <d8uv> Heh.
03:09:42 <d8uv> That reminds me to attempt to fix Apache somehow.
03:09:53 <Morbus> i wish i knew shit about apache.
03:09:58 <Morbus> i'd feel so much better about writing these articles.
03:10:05 <Morbus> NP: 'Go Fuck Your Ass Off' from Leather Strip's album 'Fit For Flogging'; Rating: 4/5; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001JNU/disobeycom/
03:15:39 <Morbus> [22:14] <RoUS> diveintomorbus.org
03:26:18 <sbp> I'll bet it's not taken, either!
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03:44:22 <Morbus> NP: 'Fateful Confrontation' from Michiru Ohshima's album 'Godzilla Vs. Megaguirus: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack'; Unrated; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KHEK/disobeycom/
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04:02:36 <d8uv> Ok. I think I got it almost working.
04:03:46 <d8uv> The only problem now is the damn extension problem. (Fixed with some Apache thing that I don't know of.)
04:05:11 <d8uv> Ugh. Conneg.
04:31:14 <d8uv> Screw it. PeWi isn't worth the troubles.
04:46:00 <sbp> PeWi? haha
04:47:18 <d8uv> Yeah. Now I'm trying (and failing) to get pwyky running.
04:47:37 <d8uv> Apache sucks.
05:18:58 <mediovia> OFT recommends changes to banking Codes: http://www.oft.gov.uk/News/Press+releases/2004/30-04.htm
05:19:18 <mediovia> "The banking system should no longer have an interest-free float while certain electronic payments are cleared: customers should receive relevant interest."
05:19:34 <mediovia> Mayne we'll get faster payments from this.
05:20:50 <mediovia> Credits to the OFT!
05:45:33 <mediovia> Hardtalk in Hollywood: Jack Valenti http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3489994.stm
05:51:04 <Ash> sbp
05:51:05 <Ash> lalal
05:51:06 <Ash> heheh
05:54:14 <d8uv> a
06:04:16 <thelsdj> hahahahahah have you guys seen http://www.hact.org/hact20040225.html ?
06:06:32 <d8uv> I suspected that to be true
06:08:15 <d8uv> Hmm... "Please note that this is a humor article and is not true in any way, shape or form, except in that it rings true in a scary way"
06:09:04 <thelsdj> :)
06:13:56 <thelsdj> its also weird that thats the only content on that entire website
06:25:20 <mediovia> heh
06:26:30 <mediovia> thelsdj: do you know what total speed means re: BitTorrent? Is it the cumulative speed of all connected seeders?
06:33:21 <deltab> where's that from, the tracker?
06:36:21 <mediovia> from the experimental client
06:39:35 <thelsdj> no i'm not quite sure what that means, i've always wondered myself
06:40:27 <thelsdj> grey album hit 3.3k downloads heh
06:40:36 <thelsdj> 200gigs
06:41:10 <thelsdj> ok time for sleep
06:41:13 <mediovia> Doesn't seem to say anywhere. As long as people are getting the stuff...
06:41:20 <mediovia> gnight
07:58:50 <mediovia> BitTorrent owns me - I am now responsible for the completion of 64 downloads of the GNUstep live CD
07:59:47 <mediovia> from just a home dsl line
07:59:54 <mediovia> in half a day
08:13:29 <xover> AaronSw: I'm no US Constitution Specialist, but I'm pretty sure none of the fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution actually apply to The Government as such.
08:15:40 <xover> e.g. The Right to Bear Arms is specifically targetted to overthrow a corrupt and opressive Government, and the prohibition on prior restraint of speech is specifically meant to stop Governement from restricting free speech.
08:16:31 <xover> (cf. of <http://miscoranda.com/91> BTW)
08:18:01 <xover> * xover wonders what he's doing pondering US Constitutional issues at 9am…
08:18:27 <xover> …and 9am .no time at that. :-)
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12:36:42 <mediovia> Eyup tav!
12:37:01 <mediovia> I'm the guy you met a while back who used to write at doid.com
12:37:07 <mediovia> Hopt you're well
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14:05:32 <deelan> Fun with Formz: http://www.picment.com/articles/css/funwithforms/
14:21:37 <tav> mediovia == charles?
14:22:19 <mediovia> yes indeedy
14:22:55 <tav> long time!
14:23:15 <tav> still in london? (/me does a whois)
14:23:30 <mediovia> yes, the time slipped by, I was off irc for over a year
14:23:52 <mediovia> yeah, still in Hammersmith, will ever be so, can't escape.
14:23:59 <tav> you and me both baby
14:24:02 <tav> off irc that is
14:24:25 <tav> i liked the atmosphere @ your place
14:24:57 <mediovia> it hasn't changed, 'cept even more computing going on.
14:25:02 <tav> you should come down to my place @ finsbury park sometime (i've moved about quite a bit since we last met)
14:25:19 <mediovia> Haven't been up there since I was a student
14:25:36 <mediovia> some 16 years ago I lived there
14:25:43 <tav> hope pleasant flashbacks for you
14:26:10 <mediovia> Yeah, the fun fell out shortly thereafter, hence the name mediovia ;)
14:27:10 <mediovia> I shouldn't say that really, I'm having fun
14:28:07 <tav> you should meet one of my working partners, drdave; he's from your generation, into media and publishing
14:28:46 <tav> well, the reason you should meet, is because of the strong overlap of both of your ideas/desires (in that direction)
14:29:32 <mediovia> yes definitely, I'll be meeting with some types from the interweb in the next couple of weeks
14:30:47 <tav> oh?
14:32:22 <mediovia> I'm into #morphix at the moment, due to meet with someone from there, and another certian weblogger
14:32:27 <mediovia> er, certain
14:33:39 <tav> * tav looks
14:34:08 <tav> ah, the knoppix derivation
14:34:18 <tav> cool, what you guys upto?
14:34:28 <tav> heard of 'blag' btw?
14:34:41 <tav> that seems to be popular in the london hacklab/indymedia scenes
14:34:57 <mediovia> yes. blag is Fedora, no?
14:35:48 <mediovia> Morphix in flux, all sorts going on. This week a GNUstep live cd, and minimal firefox distro
14:37:57 <tav> and, morphix is london based?
14:38:13 <mediovia> blag is a redhat based distribution, reduced to 1 cdrom and supplemented by 200 additional packages.
14:38:13 <mediovia>
14:38:42 <mediovia> Morphix main man in Netherlands, but there's a few followers in London
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14:53:14 <tav> what are you upto on the 27th btw?
14:53:17 <tav> of march that is
14:53:24 <tav> ^ mediovia
14:53:30 <Morbus> whom?
14:54:00 <tav> well, what are *you* upto too?
14:54:11 <tav> it'd be cool to have an irc back-channel
14:54:20 <Morbus> let me find out what day that is.
14:54:24 <tav> saturday
14:54:26 <Morbus> that's a saturday.
14:54:33 <Morbus> i'll probably be grocery shopping and watching bad horror movies.
14:54:38 <Morbus> actually, no wait, i won't.
14:54:41 <Morbus> that's the end of htemonth.
14:54:47 <Morbus> i'll be writing frantically to meet deadlines.
14:54:50 <deltab> Friday
14:55:00 <Morbus> of this month, sure.
14:55:09 <tav> it's a saturday lover
14:55:09 <deltab> gah
14:55:13 <mediovia> heh, no plans that far in advance
14:55:44 <tav> March 2004
14:55:44 <tav> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
14:55:44 <tav> 1 2 3 4 5 6
14:55:44 <tav> 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14:55:44 <tav> 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
14:55:47 <tav> 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
14:55:49 <tav> 28 29 30 31
14:55:52 <tav>
14:55:55 <Morbus> cal++
14:56:08 <tav> gcal++
14:56:24 <Morbus> ew, you use a gui? ;)
14:56:37 <Morbus> gcal == gnome cal? ;)
14:56:38 <tav> no, it's like cal, but better
14:56:42 <Morbus> gotcha.
14:57:02 <tav> i guess gnu.. *checking*
14:58:19 <tav> it's the "gnu gregorian calendar program"
14:58:31 <tav> basically cal, but nicer command line interface
15:10:20 <mediovia> so let's make a provisional for then, then.
15:13:56 <sbp> wow, shady business deals going on on #swhack
15:16:28 <Morbus> slim shady.
15:16:49 <sbp> la la la
15:16:59 <Morbus> man, #apache has been quiet all morning.
15:17:03 <Morbus> so... [[[
15:17:03 <Morbus> [10:16] <Morbus> GODDAMIT, I WONT HAVE CYBER SEX WITH YOU!
15:17:03 <Morbus> [10:16] <Morbus> oops, ww.
15:17:05 <Morbus> ]]]
15:17:37 <sbp> heh
15:17:57 <Morbus> sbp, bored?
15:17:57 <Morbus> 12http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/wwxrumblerose/media.html 01
15:17:59 <Morbus> check out the trailer.
15:18:01 <Morbus> fucking hilarious.
15:18:18 <Morbus> its basically "Breast Jigglies, Every Time, All The Time".
15:18:27 <sbp> just doing the daily checking, actually. push(@checkings, 'http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/wwxrumblerose/media.html');
15:18:29 <Morbus> i'm gonna see if i can get a free review copy for gamegrene ;)
15:18:36 <Morbus> hey, that's perl.
15:18:46 <sbp> hmm. how did that happen?
15:18:51 <sbp> checkings.append('http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/wwxrumblerose/media.html')
15:19:10 <Morbus> checkings? what kinda var name is that?
15:19:13 <Morbus> loser.
15:19:30 <sbp> bleh. it wants me to sign up
15:19:59 <xover> Felle free to use my email for signing up... fuck@you.com :-)
15:20:09 <Morbus> heh, heh./
15:20:21 <Morbus> its a 17meg .mov.
15:20:26 <Morbus> i can dcc if you've patience.
15:20:38 <Morbus> with .mov's, you can watch before they're finished.
15:20:40 <sbp> under street address: "We'll use this address to send exclusive
15:20:40 <sbp> beta discs, prizes, and other information that you request.
15:20:41 <sbp> "
15:20:45 <sbp> dcc doesn't work
15:21:37 <xover> [[[
15:21:38 <xover>
15:21:38 <xover> There were one or more errors with your registration. Try again.
15:21:40 <xover> ZIP/Postal Code : Value is required
15:21:44 <xover> User name : Username is already in use, please choose another
15:21:48 <xover> Birthday : In compliance with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998, you must be 13 years of age or older to register.
15:21:57 <xover> E-mail address : Invalid mail box
15:21:59 <xover> ]]]
15:22:01 <sbp> hehe
15:22:01 <xover> Woops.
15:24:07 <sbp> hahaha
15:24:12 <sbp> (Achewood)
15:24:21 <Morbus> watch my breast jiggly movie.
15:24:43 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: "Ladies and Gentlemen, please put your hands together for Homosexuals the Gorilla!"
15:25:19 <Morbus> alright, serious question.
15:25:30 <Morbus> i need some public domain icnoography. KDE or Gnome?
15:26:03 <mediovia> Anyone here know Rainbow, the childrens programme?
15:26:13 <xover> Neither. They don't do Public Domain.
15:26:46 <Morbus> xover: well, people have released icon sets into the public domain for them, at least.
15:27:03 <Morbus> http://developer.ximian.com/themes/icons/
15:27:15 <Morbus> those are under the GPL, at least.
15:27:29 <xover> GPL != Public DOmain
15:27:35 <Morbus> thus the "at least".
15:27:49 <sbp> mediovia: the old one? with Zippy etc.?
15:29:10 <Morbus> do you like the icons in this set?
15:30:06 <xover> http://www.iconfactory.com/
15:30:18 <Morbus> already checked there. too many icons.
15:30:19 <Morbus> ;)
15:31:15 <mediovia> sbp you have to see this: http://www.kontraband.com/html/top_ten/movie.asp?ID=1159&fs=y&TTVAL=1
15:31:25 <mediovia> apologies if you've seen it before
15:32:14 <sbp> it's downloading... slowly...
15:32:24 <mediovia> ah, forgot about your connection
15:32:51 <mediovia> still worth it though
15:32:53 <sbp> if Morbus can put up with it, so can I
15:33:01 <Morbus> damn straight
15:33:13 <Morbus> xover: help me find sme decent icons on this site.
15:33:19 <Morbus> similar to those gnome icons i just showed.
15:36:02 <xover> What are you going to use them for?
15:36:46 <Morbus> navigational/editing/web gui sorta thing
15:37:13 <Morbus> disobey.com/noos/LibDB/dev/admin.cgi?tmpl=locations
15:37:14 <Morbus> for example.
15:41:56 <sbp> oh, Morbus, you're a weird-ass like me: do you have any books of sigils?
15:42:49 <Morbus> i have a book on runes, but not sigils.
15:43:04 <Morbus> but, i do have a number of books on the Planescape RPG, whose central city was called sigil.
15:43:13 <sbp> hmm. no, I can find out about runes easily enough
15:43:15 <Morbus> i think, generically, you'd find Planescape rather entertaining.
15:43:17 <sbp> heh, heh
15:43:23 <sbp> yeah?
15:43:28 <sbp> .google Planescape
15:43:29 <datum> Planescape: http://www.interplay.com/games/product.asp?gameid=9
15:43:39 <sbp> oh, did I send you that article that was on kuro5hin?
15:43:58 <Morbus> yeah, i got one paragraph into it, then ditched it.
15:44:11 <Morbus> the guy's premise of a single game engine for a zillion types of games has been so overdone.
15:44:12 <sbp> heh
15:44:27 <Morbus> we've got all these open gaming toolkits that profess to do just that.
15:44:33 <Morbus> and they all suxor, and no one is making anythign with them.
15:44:41 <Morbus> people are more interested in making toolkits than products.
15:44:43 <Morbus> drives me batty.
15:44:47 <Morbus> /rant
15:44:54 <sbp> :-)
15:45:08 <Morbus> so, thanks for the link ;)
15:45:16 <sbp> uhm. you're welcome
15:45:29 <sbp> * sbp will think better of that next time
15:45:55 <sbp> "DO I WANT TO SEND THis TO MORBUS FOR HIM TO RIP ME A NEW ASS OR DO I NOT HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmMMM"
15:45:58 <Morbus> http://tigert.gimp.org/gnome/gnome-stock/
15:46:02 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:46:27 <sbp> they're quite nice, but very GNOME
15:46:30 <Morbus> too small.
15:46:36 <Morbus> yeh. i dunno.
15:46:41 <Morbus> i really like the ximian ones.
15:46:44 <Morbus> i may just steal 'em.
15:46:44 <sbp> very "hello. welcome to Nautilus. we have no designer, so if you'd like to apply for a job..."
15:46:51 <Morbus> even though they're not yet released under gpl.
15:46:58 <sbp> heh, heh
15:47:11 <Morbus> do you like 'em?
15:47:26 <sbp> the ximian ones? hang
15:48:56 <sbp> still too gnomeish for me, but passable
15:49:10 <Morbus> find me good ones then
15:49:18 <sbp> they're good enough
15:49:37 <sbp> you should probably prioritize this low
15:49:51 <sbp> like, if you get a spare week sometime, use it searching for sweet icons (or make your own)
15:49:51 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:49:56 <sbp> but if not, use ximian
15:50:04 <Morbus> i've been searching off and on for a few days.
15:50:12 <Morbus> the ximian's are the closest i've found to decent.
15:50:19 <Morbus> i downloaded some gnome media rpms.
15:50:23 <Morbus> which had zillions of icons.
15:50:23 <sbp> * sbp has been going through a similar phase
15:50:30 <Morbus> too many to actually go through or give a shit about ;)
15:50:36 <sbp> heh
15:50:59 <sbp> *splutch*
15:52:32 <Morbus> * Morbus respawns.
15:52:33 <Morbus> goddamit.
15:52:39 <Morbus> that was a new suit.
15:54:31 <sbp> haha
16:03:21 <sbp> mediovia: sound doesn't appear to be working
16:03:26 <sbp> it was still kinda mesmerising, though
16:03:39 <Morbus> did you want my jiggly breast movie?
16:03:51 <sbp> sure
16:03:58 <mediovia> sbp: shame, just puerile stuff, but amusing
16:05:13 <AaronSw> BTW, this is a little late, but combining recent topics: Abagnale was infamous because he learned how to hack the banking system.
16:06:38 <AaronSw> I have to agree with jwz on one thing -- The Balls are pretty good, e.g. http://www.stormlarge.com/mp3/The_Balls_-_Abba_Gadda_Davida.mp3
16:06:57 <Morbus> http://disobey.com/noos/LibDB/dev/admin.cgi?tmpl=locations
16:07:20 <mediovia> They showed some interesting examples in the movie
16:07:29 <sbp> WARNING: Unauthenticated access to the administrative script!
16:07:29 <sbp> To properly secure your database from malicious modification, read these tips.
16:07:35 <sbp> looks rather good, Morbus
16:07:43 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, that's deliberate.
16:07:54 <Morbus> presumably, they'll be http auth thrown on by the user at some point.
16:08:05 <Morbus> but, since this is my demo, i don't want it ;)
16:08:13 <sbp> * sbp nods
16:08:27 <Morbus> i've chatted about this.
16:08:29 <Morbus> * Morbus hunts around.
16:08:50 <AaronSw> more info: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2004/02.html#24
16:09:04 <Morbus> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=7097176
16:12:19 <sbp> argh. I have to find a document from about half a decade ago
16:16:45 <sbp> bleh. you'd think transferring between hard drives would be a little faster
16:19:54 <thelsdj> [[[ So later that night, I was showing Brad one of the screen savers that runs on the kiosks that scrolls text around in an arty way; the source of that text is set up to be the most-recent posts to LiveJournal, the blogging web site that Brad created. I started this screen saver and the first thing it printed was "open your wrists and the pain ends forever"! It continued on in that 10th-grade-goth-poetry way for a while, and he accused me of
16:21:03 <sbp> cut at "while, and he accused me of"
16:21:39 <sbp> Aaron, did you see Achewood's stance on gay marriage?
16:28:17 <thelsdj> and he accused me of setting that up ahead of time. I
16:28:18 <thelsdj> hadn't, it was real-time. "Oh my god my users are so dumb!" he
16:28:18 <thelsdj> exclaimed. ]]] --
16:28:18 <thelsdj> http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2004/02.html#15
16:28:34 <xover> .googlevount infornography
16:28:38 <thelsdj> not as funny without the punchline haha
16:28:42 <xover> .googlecount infornography
16:28:43 <datum> infornography: 2,180
16:31:27 <sbp> * sbp gets mild culture-shock from reading stuff he wrote just a few years ago
16:40:12 <sbp> ooh!
16:40:29 <sbp> I collected some lost P&P tracks information
16:40:34 <sbp> can't find anything else about it on the Web
16:40:36 <sbp> hrm
16:43:09 <sbp> ahh
16:43:16 <sbp> * sbp finds zip archives that may hold the key
16:43:18 <Morbus> pssst.
16:46:43 <Ash> hi morbas
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16:57:01 <sbp> Morbus says hi
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17:31:36 <AaronSw> sbp, no, i don't read achewood
17:32:37 <sbp> ah. well, he certainly has an interesting stance
17:32:45 <AaronSw> 'Just then, some guy came up to us and said, "yo, yo, you gotta go to pimps and hoes dot com! Check it out!" "You think your users are bad?" I asked.'
17:32:51 <AaronSw> pointer?
17:32:58 <AaronSw> is it today's?
17:33:03 <sbp> achewood.com. today
17:34:09 <AaronSw> Ah. You said that just to trick me into reading today's strip.
17:34:23 <AaronSw> *** AaronSw has quit ("I WILL NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN!")
17:40:31 <sbp> one day he'll leave without making me feel bad
17:40:46 <sbp> ooh: 1D7B5: MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF BOLD ITALIC SMALL MU
17:41:05 <sbp> is sans-serif really part of the semantic of the character?
17:41:14 <sbp> what happens if you have a serif font?
17:41:43 <sbp> kinda strange
18:06:05 <sbp> erk, too much information
18:06:24 <sbp> that seems to be a problem with me. I'm either working on way too many things at once, or not enough
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18:16:47 <Ash> good morning humans
18:17:29 <sbp> I AMN'T BOT
18:18:36 <Ash> IC
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18:51:46 <AaronSw> obscure first amendment jokes: s/in bed/to minors/, e.g. "Get ready! Good fortune comes in bunches... to minors!"
18:53:01 <AaronSw> see Ginsberg v. New York, 390 US 629 (1968)
19:12:00 <thelsdj> HOWTO (a library of helpful hints, to be followed at your own peril.): http://www.waferbaby.com/howto/
19:12:01 <swhacker> posted 193
19:14:00 <thelsdj> 193:I recommend: http://www.waferbaby.com/howto/scorefreestuff/ and: http://www.waferbaby.com/howto/disappearcompletelyandneverbefound/
19:23:31 <thelsdj> oh joy, get to go on my first (more than like 5 minute ride) bus trip
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19:29:59 <AaronSw> I can't tell you how sorry I am for your impovrished and sheltered life.
19:32:18 <sbp> thanks. I've been waiting to hear you say that for ages
19:32:29 <sbp> * sbp ducks
19:32:39 <AaronSw> I was talking but thelsdj, but OK.
19:32:46 <sbp> yeah
19:33:22 <thelsdj> hahahaha
19:33:51 <thelsdj> when i was a little kid, i had granola and plain yogurt for dessert
19:34:12 <thelsdj> (not really but it goes along with the sheltered thing)
19:34:13 <sbp> <thelsdj> now i am a superhero. learn from this
19:52:50 <Ash> .time
19:52:50 <datum> Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:52:50 GMT
19:52:53 <Ash> .time -7
19:52:53 <datum> Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:52:52 -7
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20:34:07 <xover> Pop Quiz: What was Bill Withers' greatest hit?
20:35:07 <sbp> Lean on Me
20:35:31 <xover> Ain't No Sunshine (When She's Gone)
20:36:14 <sbp> no
20:36:17 <sbp> Lean on Me
20:36:33 <sbp> [[[
20:36:33 <sbp> Songwriter/singer/guitarist Bill Withers is best remembered for the classic "Lean
20:36:33 <sbp> on Me" and his other million-selling singles "Ain't No Sunshine" and
20:36:35 <sbp> blah blah
20:36:41 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,511087,00.html
20:36:43 <xover> :-)
20:37:22 <xover> * xover is just happy he finally (happened to overhear) who it was had that tune… :-)
20:38:04 <sbp> heh. yeah, it's annoying when you don't know who a tune's by
20:41:56 <xover> Hey, for a guy as into music as you are you write very little about it?
20:43:43 <sbp> what's to write about, really?
20:44:25 <xover> Oh, I dunno. Rediscovering old favourites. Discovering new ones. Sharing the joy in music. That sort of thing?
20:45:02 <sbp> I'd probably start off with "Stop reading this, and concentrate on listening to the music."
20:45:13 <xover> Sure, that works. :-)
20:45:18 <sbp> actually, I guess the problem is that I've nowhere to write to
20:45:34 <xover> The Man With A Million Web Sites?!?!
20:45:37 <sbp> I don't know of any music magazines that are quite along my tastelines
20:45:49 <sbp> well, you can write to a site but not get anyone to read it
20:46:01 <sbp> musical writing is all pretty much ephemera
20:46:11 <xover> Having a readership is a prerequisite for writing?
20:46:18 <sbp> "Great new album out by the Skanks! Go get it!"
20:46:40 <sbp> it's one of the factors that you can use to justify spending time on it
20:47:03 <sbp> .google Thunderthief Palmer "take the bull by the horns, darling"
20:47:05 <datum> Thunderthief Palmer "take the bull by the horns, darling": http://www.capnasty.org/issues/7/10/1207
20:47:11 <sbp> that's the only thing I've written on music
20:47:47 <xover> "The Telly just happened to be playing «One» by Metallica. That song is an all time favourite but it must have been ten years since I last heard it. /me is rushing to Amazon ASAP."
20:48:08 <AaronSw> Hm, too bad Morbus isn't around. I was just thinking I should do X, and then I thought X might be LibDB.
20:48:30 <AaronSw> Ah, and you're discussing it too!
20:48:53 <AaronSw> The idea is some sort of media review aggregation/distribution thing.
20:49:30 <xover> Or put another way, in my own Gourmand approach to musical appreciation, I'd appreciate the Gourmet's views…
20:49:59 <sbp> my views are a bit extreme, though
20:50:07 <xover> So?
20:50:33 <sbp> so I don't want to make you... o_O
20:50:41 <sbp> they need to add that to the OED. it's a useful word
20:50:44 <AaronSw> Music is so cheap in terms of money and time that I can easily afford to listen to practically all recommendations.
20:50:47 <sbp> pronounced oh? OH?!
20:51:07 <AaronSw> what does it mean?
20:51:16 <sbp> raised eyebrow gesture
20:51:48 <xover> What's the UNICODE code point for that?
20:51:54 <sbp> heh
20:51:57 <AaronSw> So are you saying you don't want to make us raise our eyebrows, or were you raising your eyebrows while saying it?
20:52:16 <sbp> actually, "o with macron o with circumflex" might be better
20:52:23 <sbp> the former
20:53:15 <xover> * xover should publish his mp3 tracklist some day…
20:53:29 <xover> …since we were on the subject of raised eyebrows. :-)
20:54:32 <sbp> so I just found something out
20:54:48 <sbp> having your top string breaks means it's a lot easier to play slide in regular Spanish tuning
20:55:04 <xover> Every cloud…?
20:55:21 <sbp> something like that
20:56:47 <xover> * xover plays with his new Photon Light 3…
20:57:01 <xover> Weee! New. Toys. New toys! :-)
20:57:15 <sbp> .google "Photon Light 3"
20:57:16 <datum> "Photon Light 3": http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/38d4/
20:57:21 <sbp> argh, hard to type with a slide
20:58:56 <sbp> hmm: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/38d4/action/20fbe2d/
20:59:24 <AaronSw> how unbreakable can it really be?
20:59:56 <xover> Sufficiently that you don't accidentally break it in any normal situation. Not if you take a hammer to it.
21:00:06 <xover> Judging by how it feels handling it.
21:00:21 <AaronSw> I have the 1.0 or 2.- version
21:00:41 <AaronSw> must be 1.0
21:01:12 <AaronSw> I think John Gilmore gave me a 2.0, but I lost it.
21:01:58 <xover> This thing is going on my keychain along the USB pendrive!
21:03:36 <AaronSw> http://www.photonlight.com/
21:07:42 <xover> * xover also wants a http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/5a47/
21:07:57 <xover> …but not quite enough to shell out $120 for it. :-)
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21:14:34 <Morbus> i wish there was a way to say "i wanna be erotic with j00".
21:14:51 <xover> YM "asl?" doesn't cover it?
21:15:22 <Morbus> no, that's not sophisticated enough.
21:15:28 <Morbus> maybe if i knew how to say that in French or Latin.
21:15:36 <Morbus> that'd be pretty saucy.
21:15:39 <xover> A/S/L, mon cheri?
21:15:53 <Morbus> two harsh. too many pointy lines.
21:16:13 <Morbus> i need something like "allure mon ami back lounge boom boom"
21:16:19 <xover> Wanna fuck?
21:16:30 <Morbus> i don't want to scare them silly
21:16:37 <sbp> from babelfish: quel est votre âge, votre sexe, et votre endroit ? dites-svp particulièrement moi au sujet de votre sexe...
21:16:46 <sbp> original: "what is your age, your sex, and your location? please especially tell me about your sex..."
21:16:50 <Morbus> that's a lot of words.
21:16:54 <Morbus> i fear people will stop reading.
21:17:00 <Morbus> or get unhorny by the time they finishe.
21:17:15 <xover> «âse?»
21:17:26 <sbp> fine. "quel est votre sexe, compagnon?"
21:18:09 <Morbus> that's pretty good.
21:18:20 <sbp> "l'OH vous la chienne saucy. m'aimez!"
21:18:25 <sbp> (oh you saucy bitch. love me!)
21:18:30 <Morbus> i'm reading this poignant guide to ruby.
21:18:34 <Morbus> its actually pretty good.
21:18:38 <sbp> heh. everybody's read that
21:18:44 <sbp> first thelsdj
21:18:45 <sbp> then me
21:18:47 <sbp> then Aaron
21:18:47 <sbp> now you
21:18:49 <sbp> next the world
21:18:56 <xover> * xover hides…
21:18:56 <Morbus> its been bookmarked for a while.
21:19:00 <Morbus> just haven't had a chance.
21:19:05 <sbp> oh, and xover then, clearly...
21:19:30 <sbp> which is odd, 'cause he escaped the orkut craze. dunno how he got sucked into this one
21:19:56 <xover> Is that over yet BTW? Is it safe to check your email again?
21:20:04 <sbp> yeah
21:20:06 <Morbus> pff. hell no.
21:20:14 <Morbus> are you nuts? i get about 10 emails a day from frammers.
21:20:25 <sbp> that reminds me: I should check my spam
21:21:04 <xover> I actually recently realized I check my spam much more carefully before deleting it than I do my regular list email.
21:21:24 <xover> This is either very telling or very very sad.
21:21:50 <sbp> email really is getting to be dead, for me
21:21:55 <Morbus> not for me.
21:22:03 <Morbus> i get 500 emails a day, maybe 50 are spam.
21:22:05 <Morbus> * Morbus yawns.
21:23:04 <xover> .google "Morbus yawns"
21:23:05 <datum> "Morbus yawns": http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/dotgnu/dotgnu-2002-01-11.log
21:23:11 <xover> .googlecount "Morbus yawns"
21:23:12 <datum> "Morbus yawns": 21
21:23:39 <sbp> and yet your email address is everywhere! and how many years have you had it?
21:23:48 <sbp> I've only had mine since 2000... I get hundreds of spam per day
21:24:04 <sbp> I just had your 50 in the last couple of hours
21:24:24 <sbp> and bayesian spam filters just aren't accurate enough
21:24:31 <sbp> I still end up going through them all just in case
21:24:33 <sbp> so what's the point?
21:24:45 <xover> Sure they are!
21:25:04 <Morbus> i've had this email since 1997.
21:25:05 <sbp> it's not even like I use it for any stupid accounts. if I have to do something like that, I use a yahoo account, and that gets less spam
21:25:10 <Morbus> i have no idea why people are complaining.
21:25:15 <Morbus> its obvious i'm smarter than everyone else.
21:25:19 <sbp> heh
21:25:47 <sbp> I blame all my list perticipations
21:26:09 <sbp> whoops. I've still got that "e" thing going on
21:26:17 <Morbus> i really truly don't understand people's problems.
21:26:27 <Morbus> i guess i'd need to live in your emailer for a while.
21:26:30 <Morbus> see what you're doing wrong.
21:26:30 <Morbus> <g>
21:26:42 <Morbus> and i've only ever had one account too.
21:26:45 <sbp> yeah, but then you only get 50 spams per day, and don't have to put up with Thunderbird
21:26:45 <sbp> right
21:26:46 <Morbus> i've never had more than one email address.
21:26:59 <Morbus> well, i have, but that redirs to disobey.com.
21:27:09 <Morbus> i use eudora on mac and pc.
21:27:13 <Morbus> and boring old pop3. no imap.
21:27:19 <sbp> I didn't like eudora
21:27:22 <sbp> yeah, IMAP's irritating
21:27:32 <Morbus> i tried tb 0.5 the other day.
21:27:36 <Morbus> didn't like. eudora's more powerful.
21:27:46 <Morbus> maybe around 1.0 tb will be good.
21:27:51 <Morbus> but it needs some more features for me to care about it.
21:27:54 <sbp> Thunderbird looks prettier, though :-)
21:28:02 <Morbus> yeah, i'll agree with that.
21:28:13 <Morbus> though the fact that you can't get absolute, not relative dates, clearly, is irritating.
21:28:24 <sbp> * sbp nods
21:28:36 <Morbus> and multiple accounts have whole sets of folders.
21:28:41 <Morbus> and Local Folders means absolutely nothing.
21:28:45 <sbp> the fact that it has several very strange bugs (unread messages marked where there are none) etc. is annoying too
21:28:47 <Morbus> and "smtp server" is not an advanced setting.
21:28:52 <Morbus> etc., etc., etc.
21:28:56 <sbp> and you can't delete useless folders like "Templates"
21:29:06 <sbp> yeah, the SMTP prompt is stupid
21:29:07 <Morbus> and the import doesn't work on os x.
21:29:16 <Morbus> ;)
21:29:21 <Morbus> i tried it on win yesterday though.
21:29:31 <Morbus> i need "delete just this message from the pop server".
21:29:35 <Morbus> easy as pie on eudora. impossible on TB.
21:29:42 <Morbus> they added bcc'd on sent items though.
21:29:49 <sbp> maybe I'll try Eudora--again
21:29:55 <Morbus> that's a necessity (any morbus mail i send at work i forward to home for a copy).
21:29:56 <sbp> but I really don't like its feel
21:30:06 <Morbus> i should send you my eudora screenshot.
21:30:12 <Morbus> it pretty much looksl like thunderbird.
21:30:13 <sbp> how easy is it to maintain a whitelist/filter in eudora?
21:30:18 <Morbus> well, organizationally.
21:30:19 <sbp> ooh, please do
21:30:21 <Morbus> dunno, nevertired.
21:30:26 <Morbus> i don't use whitelists.
21:30:28 <sbp> you've nver tried?
21:30:29 <Morbus> i use spamassassin only.
21:30:37 <Morbus> i use list filters, sure.
21:30:37 <sbp> really? you have them all in one folder?
21:30:38 <Morbus> but not whitelists.
21:30:53 <sbp> oh, well, I use list filters to get them out of the inbox stream
21:30:59 <sbp> plus a select list of friends
21:31:01 <Morbus> * Morbus screenshots.
21:31:14 <sbp> then anything left must be 99% spam and 1% novel stuff
21:31:25 <sbp> which is actually very irritating, but there's not much I can do about that
21:31:30 <Morbus> my setup of eudora here is visually the same at home.
21:31:34 <Morbus> only more folders/archives at home.
21:31:45 <sbp> if I use a bayesian spam filter, then I get the same, just over two folders :-)
21:32:21 <sbp> I don't have many folders. I think I've found the optimum for that
21:32:22 <Morbus> eudora has bayesian built in.
21:32:31 <sbp> so does TB, but its is really bad
21:32:55 <sbp> I was running POPFilter for a while, which was actually very good
21:33:04 <sbp> but I got a bit lazy in training it
21:33:08 <verbosus> Morbus, AaronSw: do you have iChat AV?
21:33:14 <sbp> so it was getting a fair few fositives
21:33:34 <verbosus> one is having a nice time audio chatting english-speaking folks
21:33:47 <xover> .googlecount fositive
21:33:48 <datum> fositive: 11
21:33:56 <tav> where's that screenshot Morbus ?
21:33:58 <xover> .define fositive
21:33:59 <sbp> xover: Morbus' invention
21:33:59 <datum> Sorry, I couldn't find fositive in WordNet.
21:34:15 <xover> Bah! WOrdNet needs an update.
21:34:20 <Morbus> 3working on it.
21:34:21 <Morbus> phone call.
21:35:46 <sbp> "Morbous Porn Industries, how may I tickle you? Yes. Yes sir. Three hens, a bag of used condoms, some erotic lollipops, a caramel apple, ball gag, chains, elastic chicken muzzle, and a wall-mounted enema kit dispenser? Yes, I can get right on that, sir. No sir. No, not at all. BWAHAHA. Yeah. Thanks, bye."
21:36:40 <Morbus> verb, i do, and an isight, but i've never set it up.
21:36:49 <Morbus> what emails do you want this screenshot to go to? tav? sean?
21:36:55 <verbosus> I don’t have an iSight anyway
21:37:01 <sbp> the usual
21:37:01 <tav> tav@espians.com
21:37:05 <verbosus> Morbus, what’s your screenname?
21:37:11 <Morbus> akaMorbus
21:37:12 <sbp> oh heck, sean@mysterylights.com!
21:37:16 <tav> aka "the usual"
21:37:18 <sbp> it's spammed enough anyway
21:37:33 <sbp> henceforth known as s@m.c :-)
21:37:33 <tav> we are being publically logged again?
21:37:38 <sbp> yeah
21:37:43 <tav> url?
21:37:46 <sbp> we never stopped being so
21:37:52 <sbp> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/
21:37:59 <sbp> http://miscoranda.com/swhack/latest
21:37:59 <xover> splodge, pointer?
21:37:59 <xover> See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-27#T21-37-59-1
21:37:59 <tav> dude, #swhack died in the middle
21:38:08 <sbp> but the logger was still going
21:38:23 <tav> heh
21:38:25 <sbp> it was just picking up static and netsplits, that's all
21:39:09 <Morbus> sending.
21:39:19 <sbp> thanks
21:39:28 <Morbus> verb: i'm on win32 now.
21:39:33 <Morbus> so, if you wanna do something ichatish, go away ;)
21:40:10 <verbosus> Morbus: not now, anyway
21:40:18 <tav> so, ehm, what crazes have there been online in the last 2 years or so? i disappeared around the time the friendster craze started
21:40:19 <verbosus> I will choose the worst possible moment ever
21:42:13 <verbosus> and then I’ll pester you with useless interruptions
21:42:34 <Morbus> phone
21:42:43 <tav> morby... that eudora ain't pretty
21:42:52 <sbp> "Yeah. I told you once already, I can get you the chicken muzzle."
21:43:18 <sbp> tav: orkut
21:43:48 <tav> btw, tried evolution? dunno what it does about spam, but it's vFolders absolutely rocked! just set them up for your lists/friends, and then read at your leisure
21:43:59 <Morbus> tav: its not pretty, no. but then, neither is pine.
21:44:09 <Morbus> but, functionally, it does the same thing as thunderbird.
21:44:09 <tav> * tav shudders
21:44:09 <Morbus> and more.
21:44:51 <tav> orkut is fairly recent, no?
21:44:56 <tav> what happened in the middle?
21:44:57 <sbp> yeah
21:45:11 <sbp> oh, nothing. well, I wouldn't know, really--I did the same as you
21:45:35 <xover> Blogging…
21:45:52 <sbp> UserLand invented that twenty years ago
21:45:56 <Morbus> tav: i've configured eudora so that when mail is filtered to another mailbox, that mailbox automatically opens.
21:46:00 <Morbus> reduces keystrokes.
21:46:20 <Morbus> oh, nevermind.
21:46:23 <Morbus> you weren't asking me.
21:46:23 <Morbus> heh.
21:46:24 <xover> Yes yes, about the same time as The Whiner invented the Internet; we've all been told. Repeatedly.
21:47:12 <sbp> still, blogging ain't all that recent
21:47:21 <xover> * xover is Now Playing »Me & Bobby McGee» by «Janis Joplin» from «Lady Sings The Blues»…
21:47:33 <tav> we were blogging in #swhack, before blogging was even blogging!
21:47:39 <sbp> exactly!
21:47:54 <xover> Blogging hit CNN last year; and will hopefully die out this year.
21:48:08 <sbp> Now Playing: ALS63.mp3 (muahahaha)
21:48:16 <tav> lol
21:48:22 <tav> email me that sbp!
21:48:30 <sbp> it's a bit big. damn good, though
21:48:57 <verbosus> sbp: are you on windows?
21:49:01 <sbp> yeah
21:49:06 <verbosus> XP or 2k?
21:49:09 <sbp> nope
21:49:10 <verbosus> (ME!)
21:49:16 <sbp> yep
21:49:24 <verbosus> wow
21:49:31 <tav> ouch
21:49:32 <verbosus> now *that*’s bad
21:50:04 <xover> * xover considers cracking sbp's box, just to encourage him to reboot into a decent OS…
21:50:22 <xover> Now where did I leave that WinNuke.exe…
21:50:22 <sbp> good luck getting my IP
21:50:32 <verbosus> xover: LOL
21:50:51 <verbosus> I remember WinNuke.exe from the back old days
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21:51:27 <verbosus> when I was an IRC nut d00d with lots ot l33t skillz WinNuke was just a given
21:51:28 <xover> Before Microsoft discovered Open SOurce and appropriated the *BSD TCP stack YM? :-)
21:52:00 <xover> You know, In The Olden Days... _Before_ Windows 2000...
21:53:01 <xover> * xover actually works with IT geeks that have no special "relationship" with the Y2K hysteria…
21:55:48 <sbp> tav: uploading it for ya
21:55:57 <tav> cheers
22:00:29 <Ash> TAV
22:00:30 <Ash> STER
22:04:08 <tav> MisterAsh!
22:04:15 <tav> *smooch*
22:04:34 <xover> [[[
22:04:34 <xover> But feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
22:04:34 <xover> Hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm,
22:04:34 <xover> Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.
22:04:34 <xover> ]]]
22:06:23 <Ash> haha
22:06:25 <Ash> how's it going tav?
22:11:18 <tav> good good
22:11:52 <tav> so, when you coming here?
22:17:15 <Ash> well
22:17:24 <Ash> probably a year and a half
22:17:26 <Ash> depends
22:18:00 <tav> where in london, and why?
22:18:08 <Ash> gotta get some things here squared away (bills and such), and find work there
22:18:13 <Ash> not sure where yet
22:18:17 <Ash> we are at very early planning stage
22:18:29 <Ash> why, because we want to live somewhere different for a while
22:18:29 <Ash> hehe
22:18:30 <Ash> :)
22:18:48 <Ash> Veronica lived in hither green for a while, and really liked that area
22:19:07 <tav> ouch, south london
22:19:21 <Ash> what is ouch about it?
22:19:26 <Ash> what areas would you suggest?
22:19:27 <Ash> heh
22:20:16 <tav> well, depends what you want
22:20:32 <tav> i grew up in south london, and think it's a pile of shite
22:22:08 <AaronSw> Oops, I missed Morbus.
22:22:21 <sbp> I missed him too for a bit, but you get over it
22:22:40 <sbp> badump-tish
22:23:49 <AaronSw> For every good message, I receive 90 spams.
22:25:50 <AaronSw> heh, tav returns from hibernation
22:26:42 <AaronSw> I really need to stop reading this channel.
22:27:09 <sbp> heh. you got to the chicken muzzling bit?
22:30:55 <AaronSw> You know what? I don't like this 2-way Internet thing. My life would be much better if people couldn't talk to me.
22:31:27 <AaronSw> How did I get to the point where I have to answer questions about chicken muzzling?
22:31:29 <sbp> Swhack, starring AaronSw as Roast Beef
22:31:44 <AaronSw> Somewhere, my life took a seriously wrong turn.
22:32:08 <sbp> <Morbus> Hi. Who are you?
22:32:12 <sbp> <AaronSw> I'm Aaron. Hi.
22:32:17 <sbp> ^ there
22:33:12 <Ash> hi morbus
22:33:15 <Ash> oh wait
22:33:17 <Ash> is morbus even here?
22:33:18 <Ash> heh
22:33:25 <Ash> not paying attention to anything
22:33:28 <sbp> lmao
22:33:28 <Ash> tav: heheheh
22:34:19 <sbp> that Ash he's so crazy he doesn't even know which co-worker's home directory he's nuking
22:36:11 <sbp> [reduction of Ash to his prime factors]
22:36:14 <AaronSw> Is the Open Office format really called OASIS?
22:37:50 <sbp> la la la
22:42:52 <Ash> lalalala
22:42:53 <Ash> ow
22:42:56 <Ash> stop sbp
22:44:15 <xover> AaronSw: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office
22:55:49 <sbp> Aaron, you're so sexist
22:56:13 <sbp> you have one female hero. out of twenty!
22:56:46 <sbp> if it were like 20-30% I could think there's a statistical chance
22:56:50 <sbp> 15 maybe
22:56:59 <sbp> 5? what gives? what do you have against women?
22:57:23 <sbp> I challenge the list at http://www.aaronsw.com/about#people, which is linked from your homepage as "heroes"
23:00:42 <sbp> * sbp wonders how many heroes/heroines he has... hmm
23:01:29 <sbp> .define hero
23:01:29 <datum> hero is defined as:-
23:01:30 <datum> 1. a man distinguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength; "RAF pilots were the heroes of the Battle of Britain"
23:01:31 <datum> 2. the principal character in a play or movie or novel or poem
23:01:32 <datum> 3. someone who fights for a cause
23:01:33 <datum> 4. Greek mathematician and inventor who devised a way to determine the area of a triangle and who described various mechanical devices (first century)
23:01:35 <datum> 5. (classical mythology) a being of great strength and courage celebrated for bold exploits; often the offspring of a mortal and a god
23:01:36 <datum> 6. (Greek mythology) priestess of Aphrodite who killed herself when her lover Leander drowned while trying to swim the Hellespont to see her
23:01:39 <datum> 7. a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and condiments); different names are used in different sections of the United States
23:01:50 <sbp> .define heroine
23:01:51 <datum> heroine is defined as:-
23:01:52 <datum> 1. the main good female character in a work of fiction
23:01:53 <datum> 2. a woman possessing heroic qualities or a woman who has performed heroic deeds
23:02:10 <sbp> crap definitions
23:07:24 <sbp> wow, this is difficult. I need to read more biographies I suppose
23:07:34 <sbp> who would *you* put on my hero(ine) list? :-)
23:09:06 <sbp> I must have some very odd critera for hero selection. I can think of people whose works I admire, personality I like, are renound and have done great things for humanity, and seems generally likable and unique, but hero? nope
23:09:57 <sbp> I think we'll exclude religious figures, too
23:11:30 <sbp> * sbp wonders why he switched number agreement half way through the penult
23:17:51 <AaronSw> Yeah, I've really abused the term heros. And I've _really_ abused superheros.
23:17:56 <AaronSw> err here, superhero
23:18:10 <sbp> * sbp nods
23:18:17 <sbp> so do you have any actual heros?
23:18:31 <sbp> and maybe even, just possibly, heroines?
23:18:57 <AaronSw> reading up, I'm not sexist, it's just that there aren't many heroines.
23:19:22 <AaronSw> I mean, this is like Shelly's complaint that there aren't enough women in technology. To which my response is, "what do you want from me? a sex change?"
23:19:41 <sbp> well, I wonder why you've restricted your scope to technology
23:19:58 <sbp> I agree that if you limit yourself to tech heros, 5% seems fine
23:20:06 <AaronSw> Heh, the one female is webchick.
23:20:30 <sbp> yeah. why not Shelley?!
23:20:31 <sbp> :-)
23:20:51 <AaronSw> So getting back to Shelley, there are enough _actual_ problems in the world without having to make up new ones.
23:21:22 <AaronSw> non-tech heroes: can't think of any.
23:21:33 <AaronSw> I guess Kozinski could make the list.
23:22:00 <sbp> hmm
23:22:14 <sbp> well I'd say "what about...", but my list is so small I don't think I'll bother
23:22:39 <AaronSw> I should come up with a better criteria for the list.
23:22:50 <AaronSw> and title
23:23:49 <AaronSw> gotta run
23:23:55 <sbp> c'ya
23:28:06 <Ash> *yawn*
23:28:08 <Ash> man i'm tired
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