Swhack! 17 January 2006

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00:27:42 <Morbus> would anyone care to give me their opinion on the ellipses as a single character?
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00:31:40 <Arnia> +
00:33:34 <Morbus> eh?
00:34:41 <clsn> http://web.meson.org/ is now live.  Yow.
00:35:39 <jsled> Morbus: I'm against ... but I have no basis or reason.  I just dislike seeing the majesty of the  . . . compressed into so small of a space.
00:36:09 <clsn> Space isn't relevant; a character can be as wide as needed.
00:36:25 <Morbus> I need an authorative source on the fact.
00:36:32 <Morbus> the nearest i have is prenctice hall handbook for writers.
00:36:43 <Morbus> but there's a patch for drupal that is turning all the ellipses into the single char.
00:36:45 <Morbus> and i'm against it.
00:36:51 <clsn> That characters can be wide wide wide?  That's pretty easily shown.
00:37:17 <clsn> Any proportionally-spaced font shows that you can make characters of various widths.
00:37:42 <Arnia> I think ellipsis is a single character that just happens to look like three full stops
00:37:50 <Arnia> Hence single character
00:38:15 <Morbus> so, you're for using the single character over " . . . "
00:38:19 <Arnia> (otherwise we could bring back 'et' for ampersand amongst other things)
00:38:20 <Arnia> Yes I am
00:38:28 <clsn> An ellipsis character can be as wide three ". . .", even with the spaces.
00:38:29 <Morbus> k.
00:38:43 <clsn> I'm not sure it isn't there just for back-compatibility, though.
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01:40:49 <Monty> lo redmonk
01:41:14 <redmonk> * redmonk botslaps monty
01:41:15 <Monty> unless you just dumb.
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02:06:03 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
02:06:05 <phenny> jcowan: 16 Jan 17:22Z <sbp> ask jcowan if he has any ideas on http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-16#T13-43-21
02:06:09 <phenny> jcowan: 16 Jan 23:56Z <Arnia> tell jcowan thanks for the link. I'm hopefully going to read it later on tonight
02:06:44 <clsn> Hey, jcowan!
02:07:11 <jcowan> Hey, clsn.
02:07:18 <clsn> Well, I've cut my site live and written a blog entry, and I hope I can keep it up.
02:07:29 <clsn> (need to link the site to the blog)
02:09:19 <jcowan> Coolbeans.
02:09:23 <jcowan> URL?
02:11:40 <clsn> http://web.meson.org/
02:13:45 <bjoern_> @google fight asciiism asciism
02:13:53 <supybot> bjoern_: asciiism: 38, asciism: 12
02:14:18 <jcowan> .gc ascii-ism
02:14:22 <phenny> ascii-ism: 216
02:14:26 <jcowan> Thuryago.
02:15:00 <bjoern_> @google fight unicodeism unicode-ism ucsism ucs-ism
02:15:07 <supybot> bjoern_: unicode-ism: 7, unicodeism: 2, ucsism: 0, ucs-ism: 0
02:25:41 <jcowan> So what do people think about the GPLv3d1?
02:26:36 <deltab_> deltab_ is now known as deltab
02:27:33 <jcowan> * jcowan has read the license and is fairly impressed; reading the rationale now.
02:30:52 <Arnia> This is cool: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Home
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03:29:09 <redmonk> so.. anyone see a problem with calling something "gookbox"?
03:29:54 <bjoern_> .gc gookbox
03:29:56 <phenny> gookbox: 21,800
03:31:23 <jcowan> And yes.
03:31:38 <jcowan> "Gook" to sufficiently old nerds is vulgar slang for "Vietnamese".
03:31:56 <redmonk> yeah
03:32:01 <redmonk> http://www.gookbox.com/
03:33:08 <jsled> That logo is what I would describe as "cute".
03:33:16 <jsled> Why "gook"?
03:33:44 <redmonk> no idea. that logo is not a logo, it's a modern art headache looking to happen
03:33:53 <jsled> heh
03:34:33 <jcowan> I think it was the other sense of gook (rhymes with book, not spook) meaning junk.
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03:35:22 <redmonk> never heard of it
03:35:26 <redmonk> .dict gook
03:35:49 <jcowan> .mw gook
03:35:51 <phenny> Entry: gook /'g&uuml;k/, noun
03:35:54 <phenny> Entry: usually disparaging : a nonwhite or non-American person; specifically : ASIAN [...]
03:36:14 <jcowan> As in, "What is this gook in the bottom of this glass?"
03:37:47 <jcowan> m-w says this is a variant of guck, probably related to goo and gunk, and defines it as "oozy, sloppy dirt or debris".
03:42:31 <redmonk> redmonk.net
03:42:39 <redmonk> http://redmonk.net/
03:47:17 <crschmidt> given a remote fedora server, how hard would it be for me to install debian on the machine?
03:49:00 <Biappi> crschmidt, not so hard if you have two disks
03:49:27 <jsled> crschmidt: why would you want to go to debian, though?
03:50:06 <crschmidt> jsled: I'm already running debian on my webserver, and am going to be migrating to a different host.
03:50:19 <crschmidt> The host only installs FC, RHEL (at a fee), or Windows 2k3
03:50:49 <crschmidt> I need to mimic my current setup as much as possible.
03:51:33 <jcowan> You could run debian on Xen.
03:51:38 <crschmidt> ("The host" being "The host I'm currently looking at and would like to use" -- they're local, and seem to have good support.)
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03:57:50 <crschmidt> jcowan: I have a hard enough time keeping one system up, running, updated, secure, etc. the idea of using xen to turn that into two systems concerns me ;)
03:58:02 <jcowan> Fair enough.
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03:58:26 <jcowan> But upgrading a system remotely is a very tricky thing to do.
03:58:36 <sbp> 'oing!
03:58:56 <jcowan> Especially when it's not really an upgrade but a complete changeover.
03:58:59 <crschmidt> jcowan: yeah, I figured as much. I guess i'm just going to keep searching for a host that will let me install Debian.
03:59:02 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods.
03:59:23 <jcowan> If you have two disks, though, it would be possible.
03:59:25 <crschmidt> I expected that to be the answer, but I'd hate to give up on someone only to find out afte rI did it "oh, you're overracting, it'd have been trivial."
03:59:35 <sbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/adampsyche/28539591/
04:01:04 <jcowan> * jcowan bops crschmidt over the head for failing to google first.
04:01:06 <jcowan> http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html
04:03:38 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods.
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04:09:00 <crschmidt> Does anyone else ever get really funky fonts on python.org docs, a la http://crschmidt.net/~crschmidt/messyfonts.png screenshot of http://docs.python.org/lib/module-select.html#l2h-2678 ?
04:09:40 <jcowan> Your setting for monowidth fonts is buggered.  This often happens.
04:10:39 <crschmidt> It's set to Courier...
04:10:45 <jsled> Hmmm.  I get something approach that badness with Bitstream Vera Sans Mono.
04:10:53 <sbp> Yeah, I think it's been like that for me in some settings, but not that extreme
04:11:01 <sbp> whoops, I capitalised. bad sbp
04:11:40 <sbp> this is the problem when you skip back and forth between social communication fora that use different capitalisation
04:11:45 <jsled> What, the 'I'?  Why is 'I' capitalized, thought?
04:11:51 <jsled> Though.  damnit.
04:12:08 <sbp> no, the "Yeah"
04:12:26 <sbp> the "I" is capitalised because [range of explanations here]
04:12:43 <crschmidt> It looks like Python.org specifies LucidaTypewriter
04:12:49 <crschmidt> which Firefox seems to think is installed...
04:12:58 <crschmidt> but is definitely not a setting in OS X font selection panes.
04:13:21 <crschmidt> That is -- it shows up in the "monospace" dropdown for font choices, but if i do apple-t in terminal to pick fonts, it's not there.
04:13:33 <jcowan> * jcowan uses only one capitalization convention, save that his nick is not capitalized.
04:13:37 <sbp> weirdassed
04:14:04 <jcowan> Firefox probably has a font map for font names that don't exist locally.
04:14:09 <jcowan> * jcowan looks in about:config
04:14:25 <sbp> looks entirely fine to me, on OS X
04:15:29 <crschmidt> sbp: do you have Lucida Typewriter available?
04:15:54 <sbp> nope, just checked that
04:15:58 <crschmidt> hm.
04:16:07 <sbp> it's not in Firefox's Font Selection Menu, at any rate
04:16:12 <crschmidt> ah.
04:16:14 <sbp> only Lucida is Grande
04:16:15 <crschmidt> That's not the case for me.
04:16:44 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods.
04:16:55 <crschmidt> SO it seems Firefox for some reason thinks it has the neccesary font, attempts to use it, and fails.
04:17:07 <sbp> and presumably defaults to Lucida Ass?
04:17:13 <crschmidt> And the fallback is not the font that I have set in the Monospace setting, because it believes it has the font...
04:17:18 <crschmidt> but to some non-truetype blockiness'
04:17:25 <sbp> aka Lucida Ass
04:17:46 <sbp> perhaps you could look for a Lucida Typewriter download?
04:17:55 <jcowan> FF will fall back to any available font if the font contains a character it needs, too.
04:17:56 <crschmidt> Non-free. Already checked.
04:17:58 <sbp> if Firefox actually has it available, you can kiss your Ass goodbye
04:18:00 <sbp> ah, damn
04:18:39 <deltab> Lucida Sans Typewriter
04:19:10 <jcowan> The question is how Firefox knows that Lucida Typewriter is a monospace font.
04:19:27 <deltab> oops. no it is Lucida Typewriter
04:19:28 <crschmidt> jcowan: No, Lucida Typewriter is specified by the stylesheet.
04:19:41 <deltab> I was thinking of Lucida Sans Unicode
04:19:44 <crschmidt> code, tt                { font-family: "lucida typewriter", lucidatypewriter,
04:19:44 <crschmidt>                                        monospace; }
04:19:55 <crschmidt> -- http://docs.python.org/lib/lib.css
04:20:40 <jcowan> Okay, so it fails to find LT and falls back to "monospace", but CSS monospace apparently is not what your settings think it is.
04:20:58 <crschmidt> No, that's not what's happening.
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04:21:25 <crschmidt> The fallback is not at the CSS level, because Firefox seems to believe it *does* have the Lucida Typewriter font.
04:21:34 <jcowan> * jcowan is confused.
04:21:36 <crschmidt> Thus it showing up in the selection for fonts.
04:21:41 <jcowan> Ah.
04:21:50 <crschmidt> When selecting a font, Firefox is offering me possibilities of fonts that are not there.
04:21:53 <jcowan> But perhaps it shows up *because* it is mentioned in CSS.
04:22:05 <crschmidt> sbp looked at the same page, and did not see the same thing.
04:22:12 <jcowan> Word lets you edit documents written in fonts you don't have, e.g.
04:22:25 <jcowan> They aren't WYSIWYG, but they do work more or less.
04:22:53 <crschmidt> Also, Firefox lists the entire LucidaTypewriter family.
04:22:57 <crschmidt> 12 or so fonts.
04:23:16 <crschmidt> oops, only 8. The others are other Lucidas.
04:23:47 <crschmidt> And I doubt anyone has ever specified LucidaTypewriter BoldOb
04:23:50 <crschmidt> ;)
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04:29:42 <crschmidt> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050516115315910 -- the fix.
04:31:05 <crschmidt> Although Lucida is still in the font dropdown, but we'll ignore that for the time being ;)
04:49:56 <jcowan> Whaddaya want, egg in your browser?
04:57:28 <sbp> damn, I went to get some crackers and butter
04:57:34 <sbp> and they were placed precariously on the edge
04:58:00 <sbp> so I thought "okay, better be careful or they'll tumble"
04:58:25 <sbp> heh, it's funny watching the router lights. I'm not doing much in the way of other transfers so they dance and play when I type, and then stop when I stop
04:58:42 <sbp> anyway, I dropped a cracker. and it landed butter side down of course
05:00:11 <sbp> * sbp signs up again at KoL, gets to use his old character name
05:00:16 <sbp> an adventurer is me!
05:00:58 <BigJibby> * BigJibby goes and gets a cracker, butters it, and drops it
05:01:51 <BigJibby> butter side down
05:02:04 <sbp> must be something in the air
05:03:26 <BigJibby> ritz + butter = not bad
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05:04:35 <sbp> [[[
05:04:35 <sbp> Deep within Noob Cave, you find a strange pool filled with a glowing blue liquid. You think back to what your mother told you about unfamiliar liquids found in caves.
05:04:39 <sbp> ]]]
05:04:41 <sbp> You're pretty sure she said "Drink it! What's the worst that can happen?"
05:04:41 <sbp> * sbp hugs KoL
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05:28:51 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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06:09:59 <sbp> there
06:10:08 <sbp> Level 4: Gecko Supervisor
06:10:23 <sbp> Muscle: 15; Mysticality: 6; Moxie: 4; Temulency: 17
06:10:32 <sbp> 252 meat, 22 adventures
06:10:40 <sbp> Familiar (mosquito), 5lb
06:10:48 <sbp> 12/27 HP, 3/6 MP
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06:21:33 <kandinski> phenny, tell Arnia he might be amused by http://seapagan.org/pagan-hierarchy/pagan-hierarchy.png
06:21:36 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
06:22:00 <sbp> 'ello
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11:23:07 <xover> * xover wonders if it's simple probability or there's an explanation in physics when crackers fall buttered-side-down…
11:46:09 <deltab> it's due to the distance they fall; there's only enough time for them to turn over once, approximately
11:49:10 <deltab> kids' science show How 2 demonstrated it with an unusually high table
13:05:16 <kpreid> How fast they get knocked off the table should also be a factor.
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13:06:26 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's bkdelong!
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13:53:16 <Morbus> .cp quote
13:53:18 <phenny> 0027: APOSTROPHE (')
13:53:21 <phenny> 2358: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL QUOTE UNDERBAR (⍘)
13:53:24 <phenny> 235E: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL QUOTE QUAD (⍞) [...]
13:53:34 <Morbus> .cp dash
13:53:37 <phenny> 2012: FIGURE DASH (‒)
13:53:39 <phenny> 2013: EN DASH (–)
13:53:42 <phenny> 2014: EM DASH (—) [...]
13:54:15 <kpreid> looking for something?
13:54:37 <Morbus> if utf8 differs starting and closing quotes.
13:54:51 <kpreid> .pc “”
13:54:54 <phenny> 201C: LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK (“)
13:54:57 <phenny> 201D: RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK (”)
13:54:57 <Morbus> thankee.
13:54:58 <kpreid> .pc ‘’
13:55:01 <phenny> 2018: LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (‘)
13:55:05 <phenny> 2019: RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (’)
13:55:08 <kpreid> you mean "if Unicode ..."
13:56:26 <Morbus> what's the difference?
13:56:58 <crschmidt> UTF-8 is a particular encoding of characters.
13:57:07 <crschmidt> Unicode is the standard which describes the set of characters.
13:57:21 <Morbus> but those four characters are represented in utf8?
13:57:22 <crschmidt> Unicode has codepoints - UTF-8 has byte sequences. I think.
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14:11:54 <jsled> UTF-8 is a particular manner by which to represent unicode codepoints as byte sequences.
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14:27:40 <kpreid> ...that was odd
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15:13:40 <clsn> Pay attention when you paint signs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4605768.stm
15:14:54 <Biappi> yeah, i paint signs every day..
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15:24:19 <bjoern_> @weather Oslo
15:24:21 <supybot> bjoern_: Temperature: -9999°F / -9999°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Unknown | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 60mph / 96km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CET;
15:24:27 <bjoern_> @wunder Oslo
15:24:30 <supybot> bjoern_: Temperature: -9999°F / -9999°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Unknown | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 60mph / 96km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CET;
15:24:34 <bjoern_> @cnn Oslo
15:24:36 <supybot> bjoern_: The current temperature in Oslo, Norway is 28°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Wind: E at 7 mph (11 km/h).
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15:54:57 <xover> Actually, @weather and @wunder might be about right, given what we have up here further north.
15:55:22 <bjoern_> @math convert -9999 F to C
15:55:23 <supybot> bjoern_: -5572.77777778
15:55:35 <jsled> @wunder 05403
15:55:37 <supybot> jsled: The current temperature in South Burlington, Vermont (05403) Conditions & is 15°F (10:54 AM EST on January 17, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8°F. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
15:55:44 <bjoern_> @wunder Mannheim
15:55:46 <supybot> bjoern_: The current temperature in Mannheim, Germany is 39°F (4:20 PM CET on January 17, 2006). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 39°F. Windchill: 32°F. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa. Visibility: 4.3 miles 7.0 kilometers.
15:56:04 <bjoern_> all the snow is gone!
15:57:49 <xover> * xover wonders how someone managed to connect him to Bugzilla sufficiently to send him helpdesk-ish mail about it out of the blue...
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16:21:59 <redmonk> SWHACK
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16:51:11 <lisppaste2> The extended lisppaste outage was caused by a server move this weekend. paste.lisp.org is now on a significantly faster server, and should be available as soon as your DNS catches up. Thanks for your patience!
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17:21:31 <DrBacchus> sbp: Because it's a generally bad idea to show  your configuration files to the world.
17:21:44 <DrBacchus> sbp they occasionally contain sensitive information.
17:22:17 <DrBacchus> sbp: And the less you tell the potential cracker, the harder they have to work to find it out.
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17:52:36 <Monty> Thank goodness, Morbus is back!
17:52:39 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
17:52:39 <Monty> Does that have anything to do with the fact that your time moore compact and eliminate networking issues by using ubuntu  ?
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18:06:59 <Morbus> sbp: ping.
18:09:28 <DrBacchus> Monty! I've missed you!
18:09:29 <Monty> Okay, so
18:09:36 <DrBacchus> Pfft. Jerk.
18:10:13 <Morbus> whoa, it's drb.
18:10:24 <DrBacchus> Where?
18:10:29 <DrBacchus> * DrBacchus looks around nervously.
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18:19:00 <KragenSitaker> hi yoz
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18:46:46 <redmonk> DrBacchus: hi there
18:47:00 <redmonk> fancy you being right there when i was going to ask an apache question.
18:47:00 <DrBacchus> Hello, redmonk
18:47:05 <redmonk> * redmonk grins evilly
18:47:47 <redmonk> where should i look to learn how to trigger an apche 500 error from php?
18:48:04 <DrBacchus> Put this in your php code: wooooooooga;
18:48:10 <DrBacchus> That will generate a 500 error.
18:48:10 <redmonk> lol
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18:48:45 <redmonk> ok, not exactly what I had in mind.
18:48:55 <redmonk> right now the code just does a die ('err msg')
18:49:12 <redmonk> i'd like apache's 500 handler to make a pretty page
18:49:24 <DrBacchus> I think that there's a php function for returning specific headers, including status codes, but I'm not sure what that is.
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18:49:51 <redmonk> thanks
18:49:52 <crschmidt> header() probably
18:50:04 <DrBacchus> Possibly.;
18:50:16 <DrBacchus> More of a php question than Apache question. I'm still somewhat of a php newbie.
18:50:58 <redmonk> kthxbye
18:51:00 <redmonk> heh
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19:24:05 <redmonk> Morbus: hidy ho
19:24:40 <Morbus> uh huh.
19:24:56 <redmonk> hey - you best respect.
19:25:03 <redmonk> heh
19:26:25 <Morbus> :)
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20:44:11 <sbp> <deltab> kids' science show How 2 demonstrated it with an unusually high table
20:44:15 <sbp> How 2 was awesome
20:45:44 <sbp> DrBacchus: around?
20:46:17 <sbp> the advice on .htaccess is something that seems obvious and is often repeated, but beyond the fuzzy high-level rationale I can't find any *specific* things that would be of concern, and it's those that I'm asking for
20:46:26 <clsn> sbp: http://web.meson.org/write/fonts/mine/gallery.php ; not officially linked in yet.
20:46:30 <sbp> the more I think about it, the more I think that it's just a myth
20:46:40 <DrBacchus> sbp: Somewhat
20:46:40 <sbp> ehyup clsn. looking...
20:46:57 <sbp> clsn: awesome! hey, I like Marin. hadn't seen that before
20:47:07 <sbp> DrBacchus: so, I outlined some things in email... hang on a second
20:47:36 <sbp> http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-January/000036.html
20:47:55 <DrBacchus> I need a nap.
20:47:57 <clsn> Oh?  you can download it; it has bold and italic and small-caps, but my OpenOffice didn't do a good job with making them available.
20:48:09 <sbp> my main problem is that I actually put a fair amount of useful stuff in my .htaccess files. there are a lot of mod_rewrite rules and whatnot that I'd like to show people and like to be archived and so on
20:48:13 <clsn> My son uses Marin (or an older version of it) for his homework.  I love it. :)
20:48:21 <sbp> DrBacchus: m'kay. nice to see you around again!
20:48:26 <sbp> nap teh well
20:48:37 <sbp> clsn: free download? sweet, getting...
20:49:02 <DrBacchus> I need one. I'm not going to get one.
20:49:06 <DrBacchus> sbp: Anyways ...
20:49:13 <clsn> Yeah, Marin's free.  It's a little weird with its line-spacing for some reason though.
20:49:22 <DrBacchus> sbp: It's more of a "don't tell the crackers more than you have to" than any specific threat.
20:49:55 <DrBacchus> sbp: I'm not aware of any specific threat that would be exposed by handing out your .htaccess files unless you were dumb enough to put the password files inside the document root and then reference them.
20:50:58 <DrBacchus> Actually, the default apache config hides .ht* files and I think that this has more to do with the fact that folks have traditionally called their password file .htpasswd
20:51:07 <DrBacchus> And then carelessly put it in the docroot.
20:51:12 <KragenSitaker> my wife grew up in marin
20:51:19 <sbp> clsn: I like it rather a lot. the sense that I get from it is the kind of fonts that I see used in backlane bookshops in academic towns, the kind of cosy but very traditional charming text. a hint of childliness about it, like it'd be good for kids' books, but not a *silly* font at all
20:51:27 <Morbus> THATS WHAT I SAIUD!
20:51:34 <Morbus> * Morbus kicks the dirt and huffs around.
20:51:37 <sbp> DrBacchus: aye, that's what we'd been discussing on the mailing list
20:51:38 <sbp> heh, heh
20:51:43 <crschmidt> see, i call my password files "password"
20:51:45 <KragenSitaker> saiud? are you going texan on us, morbus?
20:51:54 <sbp> I don't even put my .htpassword files in the document_root
20:52:00 <Morbus> i coulda said sayid and gone all lost all you.
20:52:05 <sbp> and I don't call them .htpasswd either
20:52:11 <sbp> (nor .htpassword)
20:52:22 <sbp> SayID
20:52:37 <clsn> Awww.... Thanks, sbp!  I'm good at putting myself down.
20:52:40 <DrBacchus> I call them all sorts of strange things, but I don't put them in my document root.
20:52:41 <KragenSitaker> or sayyid and gone al qutb on me
20:52:47 <DrBacchus> I also don't use .htaccess files.
20:53:03 <redmonk> * redmonk does, and it's bork right now
20:53:10 <sbp> DrBacchus: in fact, since Apache will only allow absolute paths it seems like putting them in the document root is pretty futile
20:53:36 <sbp> I'd kinda like relative paths because I load balance my domain so if I want to put password protection on it'd be a lot more awesome to be able to use a relative path, but...
20:53:53 <sbp> at the same rate it does stop me from putting them in the docroot area, which is pretty silly
20:54:04 <redmonk> hey morbus: why is apache on os x 10.4 ignoring my .htaccess file in /Library/WebServer/Documents/subdir/
20:54:12 <redmonk> TELL ME
20:54:13 <sbp> and yeah, using .htaccess at all is non-optimal but I use other peoples' servers and don't have access to the server-wide config
20:54:17 <clsn> I'm slowly and steadily scanning in Bell's book on VS, "Sounds and their Relations".  Woo.
20:54:26 <Morbus> redmonk: AllowOverride All
20:54:31 <redmonk> did that
20:55:12 <DrBacchus> Ok, do it again, but in the right scope this time.
20:55:35 <sbp> so anyway, I think this appeases my notions, but also adds a little warning just to make sure that if you're serving .htaccess files make sure that you *remember* that you're serving them and don't put dumb stuff in them
20:55:38 <redmonk> yes, i even checked that. putting garbage in htaccess now to see if it bork on me
20:55:48 <DrBacchus> sbp: People put their password files in the docroot primarily because ISPs are dumb and give folks FTP access only to their docroot.
20:55:59 <sbp> but rules to, say, add new mime types or fix gzip on javascript files or do complex rewrites doesn't seem like a thing to cover up
20:56:03 <sbp> * sbp nods
20:56:10 <clsn> That's always annoying.  Especially if you code in PHP or something and need someplace for your libraries.
20:56:36 <crschmidt> Yeah, I always give room in the dir above to athena users
20:56:55 <crschmidt> so they get /var/www/domainname/, which has the htdocs as a child, as well as the logs dir, and permissions to make additional directories in that dir
20:57:17 <DrBacchus> Yes, that's much more useful.
20:57:33 <sbp> clsn: http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8493/wood8jg.png
20:58:05 <sbp> that's the one of the sorts of things that I see it doing, but I also reckon it probably has a lot of versatility. it's going to be interesting to have it as an option when I work on various projects
20:58:20 <clsn> Hey! :)  So where's that going?  Excellent, go for it.
20:58:31 <clsn> If it gets popular and I start seeing it other places, I'll know whom to blame. :)
20:58:40 <sbp> oh, that was just an asspull, but it's indicative
20:58:48 <Morbus> mmm, asspull
20:58:59 <clsn> (mmm, getting my font used all over the world... yess, that should prove helpful in my plans to Take Over The World....)
20:59:03 <sbp> for example, I have a site where I'm trying to find public domain works that aren't nicely presented anywhere else and do them with all clean fonts, no adds, decent CSS etc.
20:59:10 <DrBacchus> Steal Underpants ...
20:59:24 <sbp> it'd be nice for headings in some works I can imagine I'd want to republish nicely
20:59:52 <DrBacchus> Cory Doctorow referred to the Magic Underpants Gnomes (without clarification) in his keynote at ApacheCon. It made me giggle.
21:00:49 <clsn> That'd be neat.
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21:04:57 <sbp> clsn: http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3072/avery5ag.png
21:06:00 <sbp> I really like this font
21:06:11 <redmonk> morbus:  what should a complete set of headers for a page that throws a 500 error look like?
21:06:26 <clsn> That's great!  I'm glad someone likes it.
21:07:46 <kpreid> sbp: fwiw, the smaller text in that image is eye-hurting for me/my screen
21:08:06 <sbp> I like the fact that the stem of the d is much wider than the loop, and that the rising hooks of the g in "gg" work so well together, and the four terminals on the W
21:08:15 <sbp> kpreid: yeah, I needed to adjust the gamma and contrast a bit
21:08:29 <sbp> quite a bit, in fact
21:08:32 <clsn> The thin lines are so thin that the anti-aliasing makes stuff fuzzy.
21:08:53 <kpreid> * kpreid nods
21:09:31 <kpreid> it looks to me like the usual ~1px lines at pixel+~0.5px positions problem
21:10:12 <kpreid> possibly a cleverer antialiasing algorithm would make it look better
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21:20:45 <KragenSitaker> rotating the pixels 30 degrees from the text would probably help
21:20:57 <KragenSitaker> better hinting might too
21:28:15 <redmonk> Morbus: this is weird - the 404 works as set in my .htaccess file, but the 500 doesn't. which tells me that apache is not "seeing" the 500 header sent by my script. and that i don't understand.
21:28:34 <Morbus> dunno. never set 500's via php before.
21:28:41 <redmonk> the access log says "GET /the/path HTTP/1.1" 500"
21:28:58 <redmonk> oh. crap.
21:29:09 <Morbus> can't you just ErrorDocument 500 /path/to/script.php?
21:29:15 <Morbus> then you don't have to worry about the headers.
21:31:40 <redmonk> Morbus: I did, but i want my php script to throw a 500 if it encounters a certain condition
21:31:53 <redmonk> (it's proxying another service)
21:32:28 <redmonk> if that service is not available, i need to error out a little more gracefully
21:32:51 <sbp> neato: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4620786.stm (shame the linked site is down though)
21:33:08 <JibberJim> yeah
21:33:57 <clsn> What's in suriname?  Well, a lot of people are, right?  Oooooh, nevermind. :)
21:34:40 <redmonk> Morbus: <displague> redmonk: apache has already passed all error handling on to php at that point... php has to generate the error page
21:34:55 <clsn> Hmm, my grandfather came from England.  Wonder if they'll have his surname.
21:35:01 <jsled> sbp: <redmonk> Morbus: <displague> redmonk: apache has already passed all error handling on to php at that point... php has to generate the error page
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21:37:21 <sbp> "There's an (ahem)BF interpreter in the languages directory. Be aware that BF is not, strictly speaking, the language's name, merely its initials." - http://www.parrotcode.org/faq/
21:37:46 <sbp> JibberJim: <jsled> sbp: <redmonk> Morbus: <displague> redmonk: apache has already passed all error handling on to php at that point... php has to generate the error page
21:38:21 <Morbus> comments needed:
21:38:22 <Morbus> [[[
21:38:22 <Morbus> Indigestos is utterly and confoundingly impossible - a game in which fantasy villains fight against futuristic heroes and the crass commercialism of television is cheered on by laser-wielding munchkins and ballgag-loving princesses. Whatever for, this mishmash of genres, this combination of silliness and madness, this breakfast cereal made entirely of marshmallows and champions? Quite simply, dear reader: we want the game host to futz with the data
21:38:22 <Morbus> files. Delete them! Change them! Insure your braver new world makes sense! Just please, don't create yet-another-boring-install of the same old, same old.
21:38:24 <Morbus> ]]]
21:38:32 <Morbus> default description of the default game data shipped with the drupal game module.
21:39:08 <Morbus> hrm. maybe that should be "whyever"
21:39:27 <sbp> Whytheshitman for?
21:39:42 <sbp> Indigestos
21:39:48 <Morbus> yes.
21:39:53 <sbp> you're getting more you-like every day
21:39:55 <Morbus> that was, literally, the name of my cerreal that I made.
21:40:03 <Morbus> from mycereal.com, I think.
21:40:08 <Morbus> iT was a beta promotion by kellogs.
21:40:12 <Morbus> you made your own cereal.
21:40:24 <Morbus> I made chocolate pieces, with every type of marshmallow available.
21:40:29 <sbp> hehe
21:40:29 <Morbus> it cost 7 dollars a bowl.
21:40:33 <sbp> heh!
21:40:34 <Morbus> and was the most sinfully delicious thing i've ever tasted.
21:40:40 <sbp> Rich Person's Cereal
21:40:43 <Morbus> and it was called indigestos :)
21:40:46 <sbp> oh, it was *actually* available?
21:40:53 <sbp> did you get to design the box and everything?
21:41:13 <Morbus> no, it came in bags.
21:41:17 <Morbus> and it was only sent to me.
21:41:25 <Morbus> they canned the test trial after a few months.
21:41:30 <Morbus> quite upsetting - i never kept a bag of the stuff.
21:41:34 <Morbus> it was so damned delicious.
21:41:38 <sbp> oh man, that is sad
21:41:41 <sbp> Indigestos
21:41:48 <sbp> that's just so flipping awesome
21:41:54 <sbp> shame they didn't carry it on as a Lulu like site
21:42:00 <sbp> I'd've liked some Indigestos
21:42:13 <Morbus> geeral mills, not kellogs.
21:42:26 <sbp> it's like the cereal you have on Christmas Day
21:42:45 <Morbus> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.06/streetcred.html?pg=6
21:42:51 <sbp> "Did santa bring any Indigestos?"
21:43:09 <Morbus> well, i had a whole fucking history behind it.
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21:43:15 <Morbus> see, the mascot was a pirate.
21:43:23 <Morbus> who ran around to all the other cereals and stole their marshmallows.
21:43:29 <Morbus> and put them in his box.
21:43:39 <Morbus> so, it was all marshmallows.
21:43:43 <sbp> "selected ingredients on the My Taste page (chopped hazelnuts and dino-shaped rice puffs)"
21:43:44 <Morbus> but, there was a little packet inside the box.
21:44:01 <Morbus> and it was a picture of the pirate saying "HeEYYy KIDss?! GETTing SICK? Try this!"
21:44:07 <Morbus> and when you opened the package, it was regular cereal.
21:44:14 <Morbus> that you'd pour on your marshamallows
21:44:19 <sbp> bwahahaha
21:44:31 <Morbus> it was awesome.
21:44:47 <sbp> this reminds me of a Peanuts comic where Charlie Brown opens some snicker snacks and has 8755 toys and only one snicker snack
21:45:46 <sbp> the funniest thing is that you do this shit and nobody ever knows about it until it comes up way later on because you reuse a name or use it to illustrate a story or something
21:46:02 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Indigestos
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21:46:31 <sbp> laughing my ass off. fucking Indigestos man
21:46:32 <Morbus> heh, heh
21:46:50 <Morbus> i think i have a chatlog describing it to #evolt years ago, when i ordered it.
21:46:52 <Morbus> * Morbus hunts it up.
21:47:25 <sbp> good old #evolt. elfur_titted
21:48:30 <Morbus> hrm. bugger. can't find it.
21:48:33 <Morbus> ah well. around here somewhere.
21:49:07 <sbp> oh did you see that article recently about CDR degredation
21:49:12 <sbp> ...?
21:49:31 <sbp> they're advising to reburn discs in perhaps as little as 3 years now
21:49:35 <Morbus> found it.
21:49:40 <Morbus> yeah, did see that.
21:49:52 <Morbus> long paste coming.
21:49:53 <Morbus> [[[
21:50:03 <Morbus> >[17:48] <Morbus> you know, i'm so mad at kelloggs.
21:50:03 <Morbus> >
21:50:03 <Morbus> >[17:48] <Morbus> they have chocolate frosted flakes, right? and they had a
21:50:03 <Morbus> >box at this market basket in town.
21:50:03 <Morbus> >
21:50:03 <Morbus> >[17:48] <Mishka> why are you mad at kellogs ?
21:50:05 <Morbus> >[17:48] <Morbus> so it was the ONLY flipping box. and after i got it home, i
21:50:07 <Morbus> >discovered why. the damn thing was like three months stale.
21:50:09 <Morbus> >
21:50:11 <Morbus> >[17:48] <Mishka> no chocolate ones here
21:50:13 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> but i still ate it, and i still loved it.
21:50:15 <Morbus> >
21:50:17 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> but the stupid store never got them back
21:50:19 <Morbus> >
21:50:23 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Mishka> lol
21:50:25 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> so i email kellogs.
21:50:27 <Morbus> >
21:50:29 <Morbus> >[17:49] <djc> lol
21:50:33 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> i'm like "yo bitches, gimme some cocoa"...
21:50:35 <Morbus> >
21:50:37 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> they email me back and they're like "please talk to your
21:50:39 <Morbus> >manager"
21:50:41 <Morbus> >
21:50:43 <Morbus> >[17:49] <djc> hahhahha
21:50:45 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> they thought i was some stock boy complaining about not
21:50:47 <Morbus> >getting a shipment in.
21:50:49 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> i was like "whhhaa?" <g>
21:50:53 <Morbus> >
21:50:55 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Mishka> hahahaha
21:50:57 <Morbus> >[17:49] <djc> *LOL*
21:50:59 <Morbus> >[17:49] <Morbus> so then i went to mycereal.com and made my own cereal
21:51:01 <Morbus> >
21:51:03 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Mishka> OMG
21:51:05 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> it was frosted flakes, cocoa frosted flakes, lucky charms
21:51:07 <Morbus> >marshmallows, and some chocoloate marshmallows
21:51:10 <Morbus> >
21:51:11 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> i called it "indigesto"s.
21:51:13 <Morbus> >
21:51:15 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> i tell ya, it was the best damn cereal ever.
21:51:17 <Morbus> >
21:51:19 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> this is all true.
21:51:23 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> my story is now done. :)
21:51:25 <Morbus> >
21:51:27 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Mishka> that sounds so gross
21:51:29 <Morbus> >[17:50] <djc> mmmm
21:51:35 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> no way, man, it was awesome. so flipping good.
21:51:37 <Morbus> >
21:51:39 <Morbus> >[17:50] <djc> how mcuh?
21:51:41 <Morbus> >[17:50] <Morbus> one serving (which are huuuge) was enough for like three
21:51:43 <Morbus> >days of sleepliess nights
21:51:45 <Morbus> >
21:51:47 <Morbus> >[17:51] <Morbus> well, cos i got all the sinful crap, it was like 20 bucks
21:51:49 <Morbus> >for seven servings.
21:51:53 <Morbus> >
21:51:55 <Morbus> >[17:51] <Morbus> but worth it man, worth it.
21:51:57 <Morbus> >
21:51:59 <Morbus> >[17:51] <djc> hhaaha
21:52:01 <Morbus> >[17:51] <mnickel> COOL
21:52:03 <Morbus> >[17:51] <djc> thats great
21:52:05 <Morbus> >[17:51] <Mishka> you americans are weird
21:52:07 <Morbus> >[17:51] <djc> i want my own cereal!
21:52:09 <Morbus> >[17:51] <Morbus> now, it looks like the site's closed. that sucks.
21:52:11 <Morbus> >
21:52:13 <Morbus> >[17:52] <djc> evolt-ios!
21:52:15 <Morbus> >[17:52] <djc> evoltios
21:52:17 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Mishka> haha dan
21:52:19 <Morbus> >[17:52] <djc> mmm
21:52:23 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Morbus> i only got in because i got a secret code.
21:52:25 <Morbus> >
21:52:27 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Mishka> post the recipe on feo
21:52:29 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Morbus> bwaha. evoltio's. that's awesome. :)
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21:52:31 <Morbus> >
21:52:33 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Morbus> heh. i will, i have it at home.
21:52:35 <Morbus> >
21:52:37 <Morbus> >[17:52] <mnickel> heh... shouldn't that be sekrut code??
21:52:39 <Morbus> >[17:52] *** djc has changed the topic on channel #evolt to evoltio's -
21:52:41 <Morbus> >Cruchy on the outside, chewy in the middle.
21:52:43 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Mishka> can I go away from using a web safe colour pallette
21:52:45 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Mishka> ?
21:52:47 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Morbus> a coworker on weight watchers did a little analysis on it
21:52:49 <Morbus> >and said it was like 7 points of her diet. out of 10 for the day or something
21:52:53 <Morbus> >
21:52:55 <Morbus> >[17:52] <Morbus> NO! <g>
21:52:57 <Morbus> >
21:52:59 <Morbus> >[17:53] <Mishka> dan, wasn't that management consultants ? ;)
21:53:01 <Morbus> >[17:53] <djc> haha
21:53:03 <Morbus> >[17:53] <djc> oh ya
21:53:05 <Morbus> >[17:53] <Mishka> damn it .. I got the most perfect colour combination going
21:53:07 <Morbus> >here
21:53:09 <Morbus> >[17:53] <djc> they're shaped like consultants
21:53:11 <Morbus> >[17:53] <djc> muncha muncha
21:53:13 <Morbus> >[17:53] <Morbus> hehehe.
21:53:15 <Morbus> >
21:53:17 <Morbus> >[17:54] <djc> you take your frustration out on them by eating their likeness
21:53:19 <Morbus> >[17:54] <djc> and inside every box is a free voodoo doll!
21:53:23 <Morbus> >[17:54] <djc> complete with sticking pins and lamp oil!
21:53:25 <Morbus> >[17:54] <Morbus> well, you wanna hear my character for indigestos?
21:53:27 <Morbus> >
21:53:29 <Morbus> >[17:54] <Mishka> dan, y ou are so bad
21:53:33 <Morbus> >[17:54] <Morbus> see. actually, i wanted to make an all marshmallow cereal.
21:53:35 <Morbus> >
21:53:37 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> but get this, mycereal.com said my cereal wasn't healthy
21:53:39 <Morbus> >enough and i had to pick some other shit. laughed my ass off.
21:53:41 <Morbus> >
21:53:43 <Morbus> >[17:55] <djc> haha
21:53:45 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> so anyways, the flippign character would be this pirate,
21:53:47 <Morbus> >who would go around to toehr cereals stealing thier marshmallows.
21:53:49 <Morbus> >
21:53:53 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> and there'd be a prize in the cereal.
21:53:55 <Morbus> >
21:53:57 <Morbus> >[17:55] <djc> cool
21:53:59 <Morbus> >[17:55] <djc> like a treasure
21:54:01 <Morbus> >[17:55] <djc> !
21:54:03 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> the package would say "arrrr! hey kids? getting sick? try
21:54:06 <Morbus> >this?"
21:54:07 <Morbus> >
21:54:09 <Morbus> >[17:55] <djc> hahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:54:11 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> and ripping open the pouch would be like a handful of
21:54:13 <Morbus> >normal cereal to sprinkle on your marshmallows <g>
21:54:15 <Morbus> >
21:54:17 <Morbus> >[17:55] <Morbus> it'd be fuckign awesome <g>
21:54:19 <Morbus> >
21:54:23 <Morbus> >[17:56] <djc> dude
21:54:25 <Morbus> >[17:56] <mnickel> rotflmao!!!!
21:54:28 <Morbus> >[17:56] <Morbus> heheheh
21:54:29 <Morbus> >
21:54:33 <Morbus> >[17:56] <djc> i am laughing my ass off here
21:54:35 <Morbus> >[17:56] <Mishka> oh my .....
21:54:37 <Morbus> >[17:56] <mnickel> dude, you are fricken' hilarious!!
21:54:39 <Morbus> >[17:57] <djc> +1
21:54:41 <Morbus> >[17:57] <djc> thats good stuff
21:54:43 <Morbus> >[17:57] <mnickel> Morbus++
21:54:45 <Morbus> ]]]
21:54:47 <Morbus> circa Sept 20, 2001.
21:54:59 <sbp> ...
21:55:03 <sbp> that's too funny
21:55:12 <Morbus> oh, sbp, speaking of which.
21:55:14 <sbp> even though you'd already told it, my stomach is aching
21:55:20 <Morbus> need your opinion on something.
21:55:29 <Morbus> http://drupal.org/node/44987
21:55:31 <sbp> I want some bloody Indigestos now! it's not fair
21:56:04 <Morbus> yeah, thankfully, i wrote down the actual ingredients.
21:56:11 <Morbus> so you can make it from the component boxes at the store.
21:56:32 <Morbus> though, there's no cocoa frosted flakes around here anymore.
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21:58:29 <sbp> bwahaha:
21:58:30 <sbp> "ANSI.org, 4 periods (?!)."
21:58:34 <Morbus> heh, heh.
22:00:02 <sbp> wow you're right
22:00:07 <sbp> unicode.org uses "..."
22:00:09 <sbp> ASCII
22:00:17 <sbp> that's pretty ironic
22:00:31 <Morbus> * Morbus nods.
22:00:46 <Morbus> i delibeately went around to the sites that should be promoting this stuff heavily.
22:00:59 <Morbus> and found only emdashes in any regularlity.
22:02:11 <clsn> Should I ask on the Unicode mailing list if the ellipsis character is to be preferred to periods (and nbsp's), or if it's just for backward compatibility?
22:02:32 <Morbus> clsn: if you could, that'd be awesome.
22:02:44 <clsn> OK; I'm subscribed there.
22:03:22 <Morbus> publically archived, hopefully, yes?
22:03:32 <Morbus> phenny, remind me in 24 hours to ask clsn about unicode and ellipsis.
22:03:46 <Morbus> monty, remind me in 24 hours to ask clsn about unicode and ellipsis.
22:03:46 <Monty> Morbus: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Jan 18 22:03:46 GMT 2006
22:03:49 <sbp> interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis#Ellipsis_in_English
22:04:20 <Morbus> yeah, that article didn't really support anything either way.
22:05:17 <sbp> really I was looking for the history of it
22:05:21 <sbp> sad that it doesn't have anything
22:06:13 <sbp> "The word ellipsis comes from Greek, meaning 'falling short'. The ellipsis is first noted in Old Norse in 200 BC, which is the first known existence of such verbal omissions in written language. When Old Norse, through its evolution, came to impact the Romance languages, use of the ellipsis spread throughout Europe. Ellipsis dots are enclosed in brackets or parentheses and have spaces between them." - http://www.completetranslation.com/punctuation.htm
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22:11:17 <sbp> can't find anything further
22:11:43 <Morbus> lynne truss mentioned it in her eat shoots and leaves.
22:11:49 <Morbus> i coulda swore she mentioned the first use of it in there.
22:11:55 <Morbus> but, i don't recall it - can hunt it up tonight.
22:12:09 <Morbus> she only devotes about 2 pages to it, and most is less than historical.
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23:16:17 <raxor> Monty is a blimpy bog!
23:16:19 <Monty> children is gorgeous and hyped-up :(
23:16:32 <raxor> You calling me a child Monty?!
23:16:36 <Monty> Erik to link from someone only get really wishing they'd recommend?
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23:22:32 <sbp> heh! [[[
23:22:33 <sbp> Timothy Dexter (1747-1806), a prominent citizen of eighteenth century New England, wrote his best-known book, "A Pickle for the Knowing Ones", remarkably without a single punctuation mark. After the first printing sold out, Dexter, in deference to demanding readers, amended the second edition by adding periods, commas, semicolons and other punctuation.
23:22:40 <sbp> There was one small catch, however: rather than disperse punctuation throughout the text, Dexter added a page of "stops" containing nothing but punctuation marks, along with a short message for readers to "pepper and salt it as they please."
23:22:46 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.completetranslation.com/punctuation.htm
23:26:23 <crschmidt> i swear I've hm.
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23:27:10 <crschmidt> Stupid sagonet.
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23:40:39 <bjoern_> .gc unsimplifyable
23:40:42 <phenny> unsimplifyable: 38
23:40:46 <bjoern_> hmm
23:41:01 <bjoern_> .gc unregexable
23:41:04 <phenny> unregexable: 3
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23:41:11 <bjoern_> that's good enough for me.
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23:41:40 <kpreid> .gc unsimplifiable
23:41:43 <phenny> unsimplifiable: 173
23:42:16 <JibberJim> .gc un-simplifyable
23:42:18 <phenny> un-simplifyable: 42
23:42:27 <JibberJim> .gc unsimplifiable
23:42:29 <phenny> unsimplifiable: 173
23:42:34 <JibberJim> .gc un-simplifiable
23:42:37 <phenny> un-simplifiable: 178
23:46:57 <nsh> .gc irreducable
23:46:57 <phenny> irreducable: 9,550
23:47:18 <bjoern_> .gc "way too complex"
23:47:18 <phenny> "way too complex": 47,000
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23:49:47 <kpreid> .gc irreducibly
23:49:49 <kpreid> .gc irreducible
23:49:50 <phenny> irreducibly: 261,000
23:49:52 <phenny> irreducible: 2,630,000
23:50:31 <nsh> that too
23:50:50 <kpreid> .gc irreducible -complexity
23:50:53 <phenny> irreducible -complexity: 1,700,000
23:51:07 <nsh> ugh
23:51:11 <nsh> * nsh vomits a little
23:51:31 <kpreid> but see, more than half the uses *aren't* about that
23:51:56 <nsh> yippie
23:55:59 <bancus> .gc irreducible fraction
23:56:02 <phenny> irreducible fraction: 232,000
23:56:08 <bancus> .gc irreducible -fraction
23:56:09 <phenny> irreducible -fraction: 2,220,000
23:56:25 <Arnia> .gc irreducible milk
23:56:28 <phenny> irreducible milk: 47,600
23:56:30 <phenny> Arnia: 06:21Z <kandinski> tell Arnia he might be amused by http://seapagan.org/pagan-hierarchy/pagan-hierarchy.png
23:59:23 <sbp> phenny: tell kandinski nevermind Arnia, *I* was amused by it (pagan-hierarchy.png). that's hilarious
23:59:25 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kandinski is around.
23:59:47 <Arnia> * Arnia is still tracing the links
23:59:47 <Arnia> This is brilliant
23:59:51 <sbp> bwahahaha. I like how "Solitary Wiccans" is all on its own