Swhack! 9 April 2009
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00:57:24 <aspect> .ety eristic
00:57:24 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "eristic". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=eristic
00:57:27 <aspect> .ety eristics
00:57:28 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "eristics". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=eristics
00:59:22 <nsh-> as in Eris?
00:59:25 <nsh-> .oed eristic
00:59:27 <phenny> eristic (ety. ad. Gr. ἐριστικ-ός...) * A. a. Of or pertaining to controversy or disputation; adapted for or disposed to controversy., * B. n., * 1. One given to disputation, a controversialist. the Eristics: philosophers of the Megarian school.
00:59:37 <nsh-> .wik Megarian school philosophy
00:59:39 <phenny> "The Megarian school of philosophy, which flourished in the 4th century BC, was founded by Euclid of Megara, one of the pupils of Socrates." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megarian_school
01:01:00 <nsh-> .wik Eristic
01:01:00 <phenny> "Eristic, from the ancient Greek word Eris meaning wrangle or strife, often refers to a type of dialogue or argument where the participants do not have any reasonable goal." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eristic
01:01:08 <nsh-> contrast with
01:01:15 <nsh-> a certain zen buddhist debate practice
01:01:20 <nsh-> the name of which i forget unfortunately
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01:09:49 <nsh-> what was the context, aspect, of your looking for the etmology of eristic?
01:11:10 <MoiraA> errr nsh
01:11:15 <MoiraA> are you feeling OK?
01:11:24 <MoiraA> you asked for the .wik
01:11:41 * nsh- smiles
01:11:47 <nsh-> it was intentional
01:11:57 <MoiraA> nsh, how do I do a search for ops here?
01:12:09 <nsh-> what do you mean by "here"?
01:12:10 <MoiraA> and bah! you always did do strange things to me
01:12:18 <nslater> nsh-: you're meant to break up the uri
01:12:20 <MoiraA> any channel
01:12:20 <nslater> ur face?
01:12:23 <nslater> MoiraA: I am ops on every single channel on freenode
01:12:29 <MoiraA> wow
01:12:37 <MoiraA> but how does a normal user find that out?
01:12:46 <MoiraA> is there a channel info command or something?
01:13:20 <MoiraA> I just looked a fool in #freenode
01:13:25 <nslater> GRABS freenode.net CHANOP LIST PLS #swhack
01:13:31 <MoiraA> advised a user to do that, and he asked how
01:13:34 <MoiraA> ah :))
01:13:39 * MoiraA hugs nslater
01:14:43 <MoiraA> GRABS freenode.net CHANOP LIST PLS #swhack
01:14:55 <MoiraA> nslater ......
01:15:02 <MoiraA> this your idea of a joke?
01:16:02 * MoiraA stabs nslater around a bit with a large knife
01:16:16 * MoiraA is brick red in #freenode now
01:16:27 <MoiraA> [02:15] <Martinp23> MoiraA: what is that?
01:18:34 <MoiraA> I promise I will get you back for that
01:18:52 <MoiraA> my street cred in #freenode just shot down to zero
01:23:52 <kpreid> MoiraA: why do you keep doing this?
01:24:27 <MoiraA> doing what kpreid?
01:24:57 <kpreid> saying more than you know
01:25:05 <kpreid> it seems to be a recurring pattern with you and #freenode
01:27:19 <MoiraA> kpreid, I don't know :(
01:27:36 <MoiraA> first I introduce myself as an ircop and PM a user asking if I can help
01:27:42 * MoiraA shudders at that memory
01:28:02 <MoiraA> then I tell people on a forum I'm part of the Tor development team (which is true actually)
01:28:14 <MoiraA> and I find they made me moderator of the security section of this place
01:28:30 <MoiraA> and with particular reference to me as a "Tor programmer"
01:28:45 * MoiraA has had to learn sooo much about tor very very quickly
01:30:35 <nsh-> it's like a garlic
01:30:40 <nsh-> but with tubes
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01:31:04 <MoiraA> pardon?
01:31:07 <skwerl> mmm garlic
01:31:13 <skwerl> hai MoiraA! :D
01:31:14 <MoiraA> nsh- you been drinking?
01:31:18 <MoiraA> hello skwerl!!!
01:31:36 <skwerl> were you an IRCop again today?
01:32:48 <MoiraA> no no .... *shudder*
01:32:53 <skwerl> heh
01:33:01 <skwerl> that was a fun time
01:33:24 <MoiraA> I will never forget my horror at discovering instead of the usual dumb user, I got a french, debian user, bot making linux forum moderator
01:33:37 <MoiraA> who was also very polite, pleasant and generally an admin's dream
01:33:46 <MoiraA> she was called melodie
01:33:52 <MoiraA> strangely, we're good friends now
01:34:07 <skwerl> yeah and you mixed up old style commands from qnet
01:34:10 <skwerl> was lul
01:36:20 <MoiraA> that sentence
01:36:43 <MoiraA> I can't believe I said "forget level 10, it has been abolished on all levels now"
01:36:51 <MoiraA> and she just said "ok"
01:37:04 <skwerl> XD
01:37:06 <MoiraA> then she asked for some french links to debian bot help
01:37:07 <skwerl> <3
01:37:21 <MoiraA> first one, she said "it is more funny than useful"
01:37:33 <MoiraA> but the other two, she was placing in a special area on her forum
01:37:53 <MoiraA> highlighted as freenode staff recommended
01:37:59 <MoiraA> it was so embarrassing
01:38:14 <skwerl> well I'm sure she could understand them and they probably had good information
01:54:48 <MoiraA> in the end yes
01:54:55 <MoiraA> I had to confess to starnestommy
01:55:07 <MoiraA> and JonathanD
01:55:09 <MoiraA> :/
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03:14:48 <MoiraA> skwerl?
03:15:09 <bancus> Como?
03:15:09 <skwerl> hmmms?
03:15:21 <MoiraA> my router died before
03:15:25 <MoiraA> or rather, my ISP died
03:15:37 <MoiraA> skwerl, we have our own server now if you ever want to visit
03:15:51 <MoiraA> rather limping along at present I'm afraid :)
03:16:03 <MoiraA> ninza did maintenance on his box - without bothering to tell me
03:16:13 <MoiraA> and now it's up, but I think we lost a server
03:16:13 <skwerl> lol
03:16:22 <skwerl> I might after a bit, but not tonight
03:16:27 <skwerl> feeling too blah
03:16:30 <MoiraA> which is rather critical since we only have two
03:16:36 <MoiraA> I have to go to work in an hour
03:16:40 <MoiraA> not even been to bed
03:16:55 <MoiraA> well, I would wait until I at least get services back :/
03:20:51 <jsled> phenny: "Inlitterati lumen fidei"?
03:20:51 <phenny> jsled: Language guessing failed, so try suggesting one!
03:22:49 <skwerl> are you not sleeping a lot again, MoiraA?
03:23:35 <jsled> phenny: la "Inlitterati lumen fidei"?
03:23:36 <phenny> jsled: The la to en translation failed, sorry!
03:23:40 <MoiraA> rather in a weird body clock
03:23:50 <MoiraA> just gone back to work, after 2 months sick leave
03:24:04 <MoiraA> I had to jump straight into a 6-2 shift on Tuesday
03:24:13 <MoiraA> I'm used to going to bed at the time I had to get up
03:24:19 <MoiraA> and getting up at the time I got in from work
03:24:25 <MoiraA> it takes a bit of time to change
03:24:32 <MoiraA> so I didn't sleep much Monday night
03:24:38 <jsled> phenny: el "Inlitterati lumen fidei"?
03:24:39 <phenny> jsled: "Inlitterati lumen fidei" (el to en, translate.google.com)
03:24:41 <MoiraA> then was shattered last night and slept 12 hours
03:24:47 <MoiraA> got up midday
03:24:59 <MoiraA> then tonight I only just really started feeling tired
03:25:04 <jsled> .g "Inlitterati lumen fidei"?
03:25:05 <phenny> jsled: http://blogs.elca.org/youngadults/2007/03/inlitterati-lumen-fidei.html
03:25:08 <jsled> .g "Inlitterati lumen fidei"
03:25:09 <phenny> jsled: http://blogs.elca.org/youngadults/2007/03/inlitterati-lumen-fidei.html
03:25:26 <jsled> Monty: please tell phenny to be more helpful, please.
03:25:27 <Monty> woah, it wont get errors on now
03:27:14 <nslater> .o speak http://blogs.elca.org/youngadults/2007/03/inlitterati-lumen-fidei.html
03:27:15 <phenny> Nothing to say.
03:27:40 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:27:47 <phenny> > sometime i wish i were deaf, and i have my guy do a little victory dance
03:27:52 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:28:01 <phenny> * don't mention this spam. you'll get quickly nuked, no matter how well you write your post. * don't mention this spam
03:28:06 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:28:13 <phenny> i make a point, i create counterarguments for them just so i was my hair twice
03:28:17 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:28:33 <phenny> basically meaning increasing your feild of telepathic transmission, anyone who has sensitive enough esp should be able to pick up the stairs on all fours, make loud, obnoxious noises when i'm doing something important and sometimes stick my right hand
03:28:41 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:28:47 <phenny> you'll get quickly nuked, no matter how well you write your post
03:28:50 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:29:01 <phenny> how do i shot web? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrpt9clvuc > >1. i tilt my arm in the missionary position while maintaining eye contact with my hands and flick it off
03:29:06 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:29:16 <phenny> i tilt my arm in the shower so the water from my body with that small amount of water is simply amazing...if you dont do this as well. also
03:30:43 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:30:58 <phenny> empty shampoo bottle - i even used a glass of water, i put my finger in until the water long enough to get the hair off my fingers on things a certain number of times =s > i can't breathe in while looking at
03:31:06 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:31:21 <phenny> i do this and i lie awake at night in case someone with a dirty asshole . walk around naked in my head i'll say something like scratch your ear if you can hear me through my head to get it on me then step out again. feeling the soap run off my body
03:32:09 <MoiraA> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:32:17 <phenny> actually, i'm pretty sure everyone's doing that
03:32:21 <jsled> nslater: http://iwastetoomuchtimeatwork.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-think-i-got-some-bad-fruit.html
03:32:25 <nslater> MoiraA: you can use any internet address
03:32:29 <nslater> .o speak http://iwastetoomuchtimeatwork.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-think-i-got-some-bad-fruit.html
03:32:30 <phenny> Yeah, whatever.
03:32:45 <nslater> nice
03:32:48 <MoiraA> and does it quote from that address?
03:32:55 <nslater> yes
03:33:00 <MoiraA> cool
03:33:07 <nslater> .. with some lol pythons magic for lulzamatrons
03:33:16 <MoiraA> .o speak http://www.moiraatkinson.co.uk
03:33:27 <phenny> although strictly speaking it's january 20th now, i can't remember a year where i wrote it down as soon as i could afterwards and it sounds - well - quite ordinary! just your normal sort of nonsense really
03:33:36 <jsled> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ/SdV4VMNHRiI/AAAAAAAAIxA/PwmfEKi6Y2U/s1600-h/4chanvsinternet.jpg
03:33:50 <nslater> jsled: old, but good
03:33:53 <MoiraA> did I really write that rubbish?
03:33:55 <jsled> yeah.
03:34:06 <nslater> .g how to be a hacker esrt
03:34:07 <phenny> nslater: http://www.opendns.com/community/user/303753
03:34:08 <nslater> .g how to be a hacker esrt
03:34:08 <phenny> nslater: http://www.opendns.com/community/user/303753
03:34:10 <nslater> .g how to be a hacker esr
03:34:10 <phenny> nslater: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
03:34:14 <nslater> .o speak http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
03:34:20 <phenny> has a well-established member of the time he spends following orders. but that's a limited
03:34:25 <nslater> .o speak http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
03:34:25 <Monty> (TRUFAX)
03:34:29 <nslater> heh
03:34:32 <phenny> q: how can i steal channel op privileges on irc? a: this seems unlikely — so much so that they control
03:35:36 <MoiraA> .o speak http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11183-0.html?forumID=9&threadID=185648&messageID=1906840
03:36:05 <phenny> Yeah, whatever.
03:36:12 <MoiraA> huh?
03:37:08 <nslater> MoiraA: try anothe rurl
03:37:26 <MoiraA> .o speak http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/mobius-book.html
03:37:29 <phenny> 60 fauvel, john, xi
03:37:36 <MoiraA> lol
03:38:18 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/res/130006975.html
03:38:23 <phenny> i rinse my body, except the head
03:38:31 <nslater> .o speak http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html
03:38:43 <phenny> jackson > i see what you did there > if u won then y didnt u stay in silly bitch > itt: ask a hair schoolfag anything. also, i'm male. > god those curls are so gorgeous
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04:38:34 <mzeltner> What the
04:38:41 <mzeltner> 4chan on #swhack?!
04:38:53 <mzeltner> I've been gone a long long time.
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05:41:10 <Monty> But what does The_Pot have to do with the price of fish?
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07:56:53 <sbp> yo
07:56:53 <phenny> sbp: 00:46Z <nslater> tell sbp http://www.conjugalharmony.com/
07:58:06 <_ulises> yo sbp
07:58:09 <sbp> ah! Bob Quick's gone!
07:58:13 <sbp> yo _ulises
08:01:13 <sbp> what up?
08:01:58 <_ulises> not much as usual, transcribing a session, irish girl, super hot but speaks really fast and with a wonky accent
08:02:00 <_ulises> you?
08:02:39 <sbp> breakfast, bogart, and transcription too
08:03:06 <_ulises> i feel your pain
08:03:16 <sbp> bring on OCR and voice recognition that work...
08:03:25 <_ulises> yeah, good luck with that
08:03:33 <_ulises> remember my idea of reverse war-driving?
08:03:42 <sbp> yup!
08:03:56 <_ulises> well, some dude did something similar only with his router and his neighbour
08:04:03 <_ulises> http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
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08:04:29 <_ulises> I'll do the same, but will go to cafes, etc. and ill bring a camera to film all wtfs?
08:04:49 <sbp> “Suddenly everything is kittens!”
08:05:17 <sbp> this reminds me of that bash.org quote:
08:05:18 <sbp> #202477 +(7317)- [X]
08:05:18 <sbp> (Mootar) morons.
08:05:18 <sbp> (Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
08:05:18 <sbp> (Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
08:05:19 <sbp> (Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways
08:05:21 <sbp> (Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer
08:05:32 <_ulises> heh
08:06:07 <_ulises> I like the blurry-internet mainly because that would make people go "zomg my laptop has just gone bonkers!"
08:10:12 <sbp> someone just argued that Quick was a success
08:10:23 <sbp> because we didn't have any terrorist attacks with him in charge
08:10:33 <sbp> but maybe there weren't any attempts in that time?
08:10:33 <_ulises> Quick?
08:10:46 <sbp> Bob Quick, ex-Assistant MET Commissioner
08:10:51 <sbp> and Anti-Terrorism chief
08:11:02 <sbp> you might have been able to have a pigeon doing the job
08:11:07 <sbp> with an equal level of success
08:11:15 <_ulises> heh heh
08:11:24 <sbp> greater, I'd say; the pigeon wouldn't arrest people in odd circumstances and leak papers
08:26:11 <sbp> heh, Bob Milton's saying this is a potential offence under the Official Secrets Act
08:26:20 <sbp> an old MET Commissioner
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09:20:52 <sbp> “My Sister-in-law had so much fun organising her wedding she'll organise yours too. Note, it's recommended but not necessary to have someone to marry before you buy the services.” — http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/
09:21:41 <_ulises> heh
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10:42:22 <[bjoern]> .news microsoft 388
10:42:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.pcworld.com/article/162840/jury_awards_388_million_in_microsoft_patent_violation_case.html
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11:07:36 <sbp> [[[
11:07:36 <sbp> Can you imagine that in the end, rather than getting dancing boys naked and indulging themselves with sweets and frolicking in a dewy meadow, one-hundred thirty two people got a disappointing video of Led Zeppelin performing "Dazed and Confused" in front of a live audience? At this point, I had no choice but to continue.
11:07:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.bash.org/?572066
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12:59:36 <[bjoern]> yo
13:02:02 <sbp> yo
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13:43:52 <jsled> cakelulz http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2009/04/lamb-entations.html
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13:59:41 <[bjoern]> sbp http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223883&title=Full-Metal-Budget at ~1min
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14:36:01 <sbp> [bjoern]: awesome. American “math” strikes again
14:36:05 <sbp> (irregularly)
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14:55:20 <nsh-> AMERIMATH
14:55:43 <nsh-> .gc +amerimath
14:55:43 <phenny> +amerimath: 221
14:56:08 <nsh-> .gc +amerimaths
14:56:09 <phenny> +amerimaths: 0
14:56:11 <nsh-> MINE
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15:20:44 <[bjoern]> .c 765ms / 1250ms
15:20:45 <phenny> (765 milliseconds) / (1250 milliseconds) = 0.612
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16:51:35 <nsh-> I HAS QUESSHUN
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16:52:35 <nsh-> why are there not ad-hoc/user-managed WWAN technologies?
16:52:46 <nsh-> as in, like wi-fi, but with some fucking range n shit
16:53:22 <nsh-> seems very fishy that the mobile service providers can use this technology, but users can't use it for their own networks
16:53:32 <nsh-> does it boil down to airwaves monopolies?
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16:54:49 <jsled> probably. to have any range-n-shit you need – at least in the US – a license to broadcast with sufficient power.
16:56:01 <nsh-> but isn't there shedloads of spectrum just wafting around now
16:56:09 <nsh-> why can't they give some of that to the public
16:56:13 <nsh-> for mesh networking
16:56:34 <nsh-> (aside from the obvious: "this won't lead to bin loads of money going to large companies")
16:57:30 <jsled> Someone was talking up a new/about-to-be-approved 802.11 mesh networking standard, but that's about all I know.
16:57:48 <nsh-> why can't the users be the infrastructure? what the fuck is the actual purpose of wireless service providers? do they actually do anything useful except leech off their government-mandated monopoly?
16:58:02 <nsh-> (ok, so they interface to POTS, but apart from that...)
16:58:11 * nsh- is not amused
16:58:20 <nsh-> mm
16:59:05 <jsled> At least one aspect of the us DTV transition is reclaimation and repurposing of the VHF space, and "open access" provisions on such space.
16:59:20 <jsled> I don't really know how it's all played out, exactly.
16:59:28 <jsled> And, yes, what the fuck indeed.
17:00:14 <nsh-> one more reason for collapse-into-autonomy
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17:18:01 <MoiraA> hello nsh
17:18:08 <MoiraA> is nslater around?
17:20:53 <sbp> if it's about ops
17:20:57 <sbp> he doesn't care
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17:30:24 <MoiraA> sorry sbp?
17:30:31 <MoiraA> why should it be about ops?
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17:34:47 <nsh-> phenny, fi en "kosit"?
17:34:48 <phenny> nsh-: "kosit" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
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17:39:41 <nsh-> .c 2.6 pounds in kilograms
17:39:42 <phenny> 2.6 pounds = 1.17934016 kilograms
17:40:58 <nsh-> phenny, fi en "kuksa"?
17:40:59 <phenny> nsh-: "kuksa" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
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18:03:03 <MoiraA> sbp?
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18:44:52 <MoiraA> nslater?
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19:00:54 <sbp> MoiraA: hey
19:01:01 <[bjoern]> this is pants.
19:01:26 <[bjoern]> Wanted to make some cooler utf-16 transcoder with the special utf-8 -> utf-16 automaton
19:01:42 <[bjoern]> found that it performs very very well
19:01:54 <[bjoern]> then had the idea, hey let's try that with the normal decoder aswell
19:02:11 <[bjoern]> turns out that with the normal one it's about 1% faster even
19:02:20 <MoiraA> sbp, just wondering why you thought I wanted to talk to nslater about ops?
19:02:21 <[bjoern]> what sucks more is this:
19:02:43 <[bjoern]> in the current version there is one piece of conditional logic
19:03:03 <[bjoern]> basically, the code point has to be reset to 0 if a whole character has been read
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19:03:31 <[bjoern]> I know that doing this manually from the "found a character" branch performs a bit better than anything I've tried in the decode function
19:03:59 <[bjoern]> but testing this again with my new transcoder makes it go from ~950ms to 740ms
19:04:10 <[bjoern]> (that is, testing doing it manually rather than there)
19:04:31 <[bjoern]> that's almost 30%...
19:04:32 <sbp> [bjoern]: is there any reason why ICU should collate a, A, aa?
19:04:56 <[bjoern]> collate as in what? as in generate that order?
19:05:28 <[bjoern]> Unicode collation algorithm might want that, never studied it. Icu supposedly supports many ways of collating things.
19:05:39 <[bjoern]> at least the unicode collation algorithm has various parameters
19:05:53 <[bjoern]> if you treat a == A, i.e. lowercase, then clearly you get that order
19:06:25 <sbp> oh, that's a point
19:06:51 <sbp> thanks
19:11:59 <[bjoern]> correction, it's more like 720ms if I turn my music off as I usually do... icu is ~1250ms.
19:12:25 <[bjoern]> I could get to ~800 with modifying the conditional a bit...
19:12:36 <[bjoern]> (the 720 is still setting codepoint manually to zero)
19:15:33 <[bjoern]> of course that makes it a lot slower in gcc...
19:37:13 * MoiraA wonders if sbp is pants too
19:37:17 <MoiraA> tonight anyway
19:43:38 <sbp> pants?
19:44:06 <jsled> serious business pants.
19:44:29 <sbp> joking sailor likes electric dildos
19:44:48 <[bjoern]> how would you know?
19:45:01 <sbp> in the business, we say touché
19:45:34 <[bjoern]> Outside the business too. More fun that way.
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19:50:37 <MoiraA> well you didn't answer my question sbp :(
19:50:43 * MoiraA feels ignored
19:51:11 <[bjoern]> He just didn't answer in the way you expected.
19:54:53 <MoiraA> and that leaves him speechless?
19:55:05 <MoiraA> sbp?
19:55:08 <MoiraA> never been known
19:55:11 <MoiraA> :)
19:57:26 <[bjoern]> remind me in 25 minutes to !!!!
19:57:26 <Monty> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu Apr 09 21:22:15 BST 2009
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20:02:02 <[bjoern]> gcc -march=k4 produces faster code than -march=pentium4, despite me having a pentium 4...
20:02:16 <[bjoern]> (p4 takes ~20% more time)
20:03:33 <[bjoern]> -march=i386 does about as well as k6...
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20:11:35 <sbp> MoiraA: what question?
20:11:45 <sbp> oh, I don't know what pants means
20:12:00 <MoiraA> hmm .... crap
20:12:02 <MoiraA> shit
20:12:08 <MoiraA> yuk
20:12:12 <MoiraA> stuff like that
20:12:18 <MoiraA> not great
20:12:35 <MoiraA> I just wondered why you thought I would be messaging nslater about ops?
20:12:40 <MoiraA> ops where?
20:14:00 <sbp> ah!
20:14:12 <sbp> oh, you just only ever seem to ask him about being ops in channels where he's not an op :-)
20:14:18 <sbp> was just playing around
20:17:45 <MoiraA> sbp, what an awful thing to say about me!
20:21:50 <sbp> you are pretty ops obsessed, but you're right
20:21:58 <sbp> can't find any references to you asking nslater for anything this year
20:22:08 <sbp> in public logs. must be recalling some instance when the logs were down
20:22:18 <MoiraA> ops obsessed am I?
20:22:27 <MoiraA> in which channel?
20:22:38 <Monty> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to !!!!
20:22:54 <nsh-> .gs in the * channel
20:22:55 <phenny> in the * channel: dilepton (8), sodium (5), trpc6 cation (4), scorbutic (4)
20:23:11 <nsh-> .wik dilepton channel
20:23:12 <sbp> the sodium channel
20:23:13 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "dilepton channel".
20:23:18 <nsh-> yup, sodium it is
20:24:21 <Arnia> .g dilepton channel
20:24:22 <phenny> Arnia: http://www-d0.fnal.gov/Run2Physics/WWW/results/prelim/TOP/T33/T33.pdf
20:24:30 * MoiraA makes sbp grovel with apology
20:24:55 <Arnia> 370 pb^-1 of data?
20:24:58 <Arnia> eh?
20:25:10 <MoiraA> arnia, hi
20:25:10 <sbp> heh
20:25:19 <Arnia> Hello
20:25:26 <sbp> yo
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20:25:29 <MoiraA> actually sbp, nslater and I have had some lengthy conversations
20:25:42 <MoiraA> but not once have I asked him if I could be an op in one of his channels
20:25:48 * Arnia explodes into paradoxicons
20:25:52 <MoiraA> what would be suitable? #macdev?
20:26:17 * Arnia wonders why option-3 no longer works in any keyboard layout
20:26:41 <Arnia> It gets pressed (according to the little keyboard panel thingy) but I get an abrupt beep instead
20:26:44 <MoiraA> option-3?
20:26:46 <Arnia> Well, it is an error beep
20:27:07 <MoiraA> ah mac wireless keypads don't have that button
20:27:18 <Arnia> Option-1 to 5 all do it
20:27:23 <Arnia> Option-6 works fine
20:27:31 <Arnia> MoiraA: don't have option?!
20:27:41 <Arnia> It is a core OS key
20:28:04 <MoiraA> not even on the M$ keyboard
20:28:16 <Arnia> It looks like a little fork
20:28:36 <nsh-> phenny, fi en "kökö"?
20:28:37 <phenny> nsh-: "size" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
20:29:10 <MoiraA> sorry
20:29:28 <MoiraA> can you upload a photo of your keyboard so I can see?
20:29:37 <MoiraA> or shall I send you a shot of mine?
20:31:25 <Arnia> .wik option key
20:31:25 <phenny> "The 'Option key' is a modifier key present on Apple keyboards." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_key
20:32:25 <MoiraA> yes, I have that one
20:32:38 <MoiraA> on the MS keyboard its called Alt Gr
20:32:57 <MoiraA> "fork" confused me :)
20:49:45 <[bjoern]> .gc +00Bama
20:49:45 <phenny> +00Bama: 243
20:54:00 <[bjoern]> good version of the pix http://mom.comedycentral.com/utils/img/?image=/images/shows/tds/videos/season_14/14046/ds_14046_02_v6.jpg&height=75&site=tds
20:56:10 <[bjoern]> p, http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223861&title=00Bama---International-Man-of-History and http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223862&title=Baracknophobia---Obey if you are bored.
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