Swhack! 22 April 2009
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02:45:49 <Monty> it's clsn!
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03:19:37 <Monty> hi clsn, how ya doing?
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03:32:37 <deltab> from Newsnight, six weeks ago: ‘And finally... my thanks to Nick Webb for this Joke Fit For an Eleven Year Old: The Shep Association have just announced the discovery of the World's Worst Zoo in a remote mountainous region in the south west of China. Apparently the zoo only has one animal, a dog. When asked what type of dog, a spokesman confirmed, "it's a Shih Tzu".’
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06:04:11 <Monty> hi cre8radix, how ya doing?
06:04:39 <cre8radix> fine, monty, you?
06:04:40 <Monty> child eats bedroom!!!
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06:05:01 <cre8radix> i know... and it eats everything else, too, monty
06:05:01 <Monty> You say you know ?
06:05:20 <cre8radix> well... i have two children, monty!
06:05:20 <Monty> Thanks!
06:05:34 <cre8radix> you're welcome, monty
06:05:38 <Monty> You know, muted flavoured Gordon Brown is gulping George W Bush's PokeBot!!!
06:05:53 <cre8radix> :D
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07:50:49 <Monty> But what does The_Pot__ have to do with the price of fish?
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07:59:42 <sbp> yo
07:59:42 <phenny> sbp: 02:06Z <nslater> tell sbp http://diveintomark.org/archives/2009/04/21/fuck-the-foundries (comments please!)
07:59:45 <phenny> sbp: 02:20Z <nslater> tell sbp http://nfg.2y.net/games/ntsc/visual.shtm (apparently, our eyes are terrible at noticing details in the green spectrum - contains examples of altering resolution of green channel in photos)
07:59:46 <phenny> sbp: 02:21Z <nslater> tell sbp *blue spectrum
07:59:54 <_ulises> yo sbp
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08:18:12 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater the main problem is that Pilgrim is too right, here: so he misses the point that the free fonts have the same problem that we have with the foundry fonts. the foundry fonts are useless because we're not allowed to use them. the free fonts are useless because they're actually not very good
08:18:13 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
08:19:25 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater I've tried loads and loads of free fonts with font-face, and I'm just not finding any that are really good for body fonts on the web. they're just all failing really hard compared to the ones shipped as standard with OSes, Verdana and Georgia and the like. most of them are worse than Times New Roman, so there's a clear problem
08:19:26 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
08:21:08 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater there is the possibility, however, that when font-face becomes more widely used, clever people who can really design awesome fonts will start making some which are good, and that might slowly add to the number we can actually use for web body font. (perhaps the foundries might even join in? ... .. ... . .. .....hahahahahahahaha)
08:21:08 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
08:26:35 <sbp> .title http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/benweiner/3
08:26:36 <phenny> sbp: Puritan 2.0 : Open Font Library
08:26:45 <sbp> — not too bad. the only one on the OFL that isn't too bad
08:26:54 <sbp> but it's a sans-serif, of course. try finding a good serif
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12:32:50 <Arnia> "channel4news: #c4budget you've heard the speech, so how you feeling? Take part in our quick poll http://bit.ly/jk3Wv (warning: features emoticons)"
12:42:44 <sbp> Arnia: has anybody worked out roughly how much the £2,000 scrappage scheme is going to cost?
12:43:03 <Arnia> I don't know... I have a total figure:
12:43:06 <Arnia> faisalislam: In a nutshell: we have a £5 billion tax cut right now. A boom, Then a £5 billion tax rise.
12:43:18 <Arnia> faisalislam: So what happens if the Great Boom of 2011 doesn't happen? Do the public finances unravel? Or is that the problem of George Osborne?
12:44:10 <sbp> “Consumer price inflation to fall to 1% by end of year”
12:44:36 <sbp> and as Cameron said, the way they grounded the 2011 boom figures is suspicious
12:47:01 <Arnia> erk, low inflation low low low
12:47:09 <Arnia> RPI is going to be very negative then
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12:47:53 <sbp> they said -3% or something
12:47:57 <[bjoern]> sbp http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-15.html
12:48:26 <sbp> hehe, Moxie Marlinspike?
12:48:38 <[bjoern]> he did the blackhat presentation
12:49:20 <Arnia> sbp: I've just asked another question about fractional reserve requirements and the GINI index
12:49:21 <sbp> [bjoern]: we've just had the UK budget by the way
12:49:28 <sbp> so we're cyniberating even more than usual
12:50:29 <[bjoern]> i'm about to leave for math, prolog, then come back for printing, then play postman, shopper, then come back and maybe eat something, and hopefully then the day is over!
12:51:03 <sbp> don't forget to cyniberate with us when you come back for printing
12:52:22 <sbp> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45673000/gif/_45673882_budget_def226x226.gif
12:53:03 <Arnia> !
12:53:05 <[bjoern]> Well be planning making them kiss the moon on the way
12:53:25 <sbp> this is a good one too:
12:53:25 <sbp> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45673000/gif/_45673880_gov_debt466x207.gif
12:53:29 <[bjoern]> also planning to stop bleeding during the same timeframe
12:55:39 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://timesonline.typepad.com/timesarchive/2009/04/humane-waterboarding-a-lesson-from-france.html
12:55:41 <Arnia> aw, they haven't posted that one :(
12:56:53 <sbp> [[[
12:56:54 <sbp> she hurtles hither and yon (if Einstein will forgive me) sorting out the problems of dissident planets, saving them from their own weaknesses, civilizing their rough and threatening edges, gently imposing her vision of what is good and right and just and decent, like some intergalactic Mary Poppins
12:57:06 <sbp> ]]] - Alan Coren, 1976, comparing the Enterprise and America
13:08:04 <sbp> phenny: tell tav http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/5193379/Pictures-of-the-day-21-April-2009.html?image=18
13:08:04 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when tav is around.
13:09:01 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01388/thailand-gold_1388208i.jpg - "A worker decorates a giant figure used to promote shopping at a department store in Bangkok, Thailand"
13:10:24 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01389/nude-commuters_1389050i.jpg - "Commuters were given a shock when they were confronted by people in 'nude' body suits on the Millennium Bridge, London. It was a stunt to launch the 308 Peugeot Coupe Cabriolet"
13:11:34 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01389/robot-face_1389031i.jpg
13:11:37 <sbp> — Gilberto
13:12:36 <Arnia> Oh, they have published it now
13:13:01 <sbp> woah
13:13:10 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01389/knife-hostage_1389087i.jpg - "A man with a knife holds a woman hostage on a street in Guangzhou, China. The man and his brother kidnapped the passer-by in a bid to raise money for their mother's medical treatment, local media reported. The woman was eventually rescued by police"
13:14:30 <Arnia> IMF have weighed in: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8011907.stm
13:14:52 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01389/budget-street-art_1389047i.jpg - "A pedestrian walks past a piece of Conservative Party artwork showing 'Labour's £1 Trillion Black Hole' on the pavement outside the Treasury, in Westminster"
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13:19:03 <nslater> woah! nude body suites!
13:19:48 <Arnia> Surely a trillion pound hole would look deeper than that?
13:19:57 <Arnia> (given the size of the notes shown)
13:20:26 <nslater> depends on the girth, surely
13:20:31 <nslater> erm, ignore me
13:20:51 <nslater> ... yo Monty, how about that local football team?
13:20:51 <Monty> morning!
13:24:00 <sbp> Monty: afternoon
13:24:10 <Monty> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01389/knife-hostage_1389087i.jpg - do for lucene you just call hovercraft on when nslater didn't even through bytemark's spam filters
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13:24:44 <Arnia> Incidentally, my GINI question was motivated by: http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/models/WealthDistribution
13:24:48 <nslater> Monty: please refraine from calling any hovercrafts on me
13:24:49 <Monty> ]]] - duh
13:25:07 <nslater> Monty: oh, you mean you were just quoting
13:25:13 <Monty> maybe: (from OED) 4. To quote Bruce Schneier, “Truth be written to cyniberate with some problems (knock on linux ?
13:25:27 <sbp> )"
13:25:40 <nslater> Monty: maybe you were quoting? what's the cryptic metaquote from schneier about?
13:25:42 <Monty> hrm. why database names must start implementing
13:27:58 <sbp> "It's unlikely Oscar Wilde would spend his Saturday evenings watching ITV1's Britain's Got Talent, if alive today." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8011697.stm
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14:50:19 <sbp> .u pilcrow
14:50:19 <phenny> U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (¶)
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15:32:45 <Monty> hey clsn
15:32:53 <sbp> clsn: ping
15:33:09 <clsn> sbp: weak pong. New computer. Still adjusting.
15:33:20 <sbp> kk. got any favourite embeddable fonts?
15:33:27 <sbp> er, serifs specifically
15:35:35 <clsn> Hmm... I saw you talking about it yesterday. So @font-face actually *works* now?
15:35:47 <sbp> in Safari, yeah. and Firefox “soon”
15:35:58 <sbp> which is so say, they had it in beta in like January
15:36:02 <sbp> and they still have it in beta...
15:36:17 <sbp> <Mozilla> no seriously, we're going to release it real soon now!
15:36:19 <clsn> (fonts are something I still haven't confirmed are all OK in my new box). Hah, "soon"... I've been on the bug list on mozilla for that bug for like five years I think.
15:36:21 <sbp> <Mozilla> seriously!
15:36:31 <sbp> <Mozilla> ...why are you looking at us like that?
15:36:33 <clsn> Having it in beta is an improvement, though.
15:36:48 <sbp> yeah. well I thought it was meant to be coming out in March
15:36:49 <clsn> (*sniff* it's my keyboard that's really fucked up though.)
15:37:00 <sbp> Firefox 3.1.1 was meant to have it? something like that
15:37:40 <sbp> hmm, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/@font-face says 3.5
15:37:45 <sbp> other sites say the 3.1 beta has it
15:37:51 <clsn> Better than the truly vaporous vaporware of past years.
15:38:00 <sbp> current version for download is 3.0.9
15:38:06 <sbp> so... if 3.1 has it, that bodes well
15:38:14 <sbp> assuming that 3.1 is going to be the next version
15:38:33 <sbp> [[[
15:38:34 <sbp> Firefox3.5
15:38:34 <sbp> (Redirected from Firefox3.1)
15:38:40 <sbp> ]]] - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3.1
15:38:48 <sbp> so it looks like Firefox 3.1 has been renamed Firefox 3.5
15:38:53 <clsn> Anyway. Not sure, I admit to playing *VERY* fast and loose with licenses in my own personal use, so I am not sure what's embeddable. dafont.com has been known to house decent free fonts, sometimes by mistake.
15:39:09 <sbp> [[[
15:39:09 <sbp> Beta 3 12 March 2009
15:39:10 <sbp> Beta 4 24 April 2009
15:39:15 <sbp> ]]] - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3.5/Schedule
15:40:23 <sbp> no mention when they plan to actually, you know, release it
15:42:06 <sbp> [[[
15:42:07 <sbp> The Mozilla Foundation says it is still on track to release Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 sometime later this week despite the lack of a firm release date. Beta 4 will likely be the last test version before Mozilla moves on to the release candidate of Firefox 3.5.
15:42:14 <sbp> However, Mozilla has not made good on many of Firefox 3.5's deadlines: earlier this year, Mozilla has already delayed the release of Beta 3 -- twice -- before moving on to Beta 4, as well as dumping the name Firefox 3.1 for the snappier Firefox 3.5 to reflect the significant differences between versions 3.0 and 3.5.
15:42:20 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.pcworld.com/article/163606/mozilla_firefox_35_beta_4_will_ship_on_time_this_week.html
15:43:09 <clsn> *shrug* I keep my expectations low. Works for me.
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16:20:29 <[bjoern]> yo
16:21:07 <[bjoern]> arschkalt, stürmisch, regen
16:21:30 <[bjoern]> dressed for something else entirely, like, yesterday's weather.
16:21:53 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/8012307.stm
16:21:54 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Programmes | Breakfast | Jan Ravens takes Kate for her word
16:22:02 <sbp> ooh, stürmisch
16:22:42 <[bjoern]> discover how Sturm turns into stürmisch, and build yourself a perpetual umlaut machine.
16:23:34 <sbp> swëtisch!
16:40:44 <[bjoern]> .gc +Hörhrmann
16:40:45 <phenny> +Hörhrmann: 0
16:40:53 <[bjoern]> well add one to that now
16:41:11 <[bjoern]> two when the logs are crawled
16:44:20 <sbp> someone dorked on your name in email did they?
16:44:25 <sbp> guessing lists.w3.org?
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17:03:18 <[bjoern]> of course
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17:24:29 <clsn> How do I invoke the constructor of a parent class in the constructor of my class? I saw a page that says you just do super(MyClass, self).__init__(), or rather says that in general for any method. But that doesn't work.
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17:25:27 <clsn> class C(B):
17:25:28 <clsn> def method(self, arg):
17:25:28 <clsn> super(C, self).method(arg)
17:25:36 <clsn> from http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html
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17:46:21 <sbp> why doesn't it work?
17:46:25 <sbp> what error do you get?
17:47:14 <sbp> you are using a new style class, right?
17:47:52 <[bjoern]> I get "Exception: ESTORKSGIVEBIRTHTOMONKEYANDMOZILLASECURITYPEOPLEAREFUCKINGRETARDS at line 66, column 6".
17:47:52 <Monty> potty mouth!
17:48:24 <sbp> not a ValueError?
17:48:35 <[bjoern]> That's later in the backtrace.
17:48:47 <sbp> ah
17:48:55 <[bjoern]> http://pfalzstorch.blogspot.com/2009/04/zwei-kuken-im-sportplatznest.html
17:49:12 <sbp> aww
17:49:18 <sbp> man, ours should be hatching soonwise
17:49:23 <[bjoern]> aye
17:49:29 <sbp> when did the Sportplatz ones lay?
17:49:42 <[bjoern]> örlier?
17:49:57 <sbp> yeah, I assumed that, but how much?
17:50:02 <[bjoern]> 26th march they had 5
17:50:09 <sbp> hmm
17:50:30 <clsn> sbp: I thought I was. It whines about how argument 1 has to be a type and not a class obj.
17:50:30 <sbp> 02:57:41 <_bjoern> a different pair, five eggs from 17 march - 25 march
17:50:39 <sbp> - http://whack.com/logs/2008-03-19
17:50:51 <sbp> clsn: clearly not then
17:50:58 <clsn> I made it work with self.__class__.__bases__[0].__init__(self)
17:51:04 <sbp> uh... huh
17:51:05 <[bjoern]> 19th they had 3
17:51:10 <sbp> you could just derive from object
17:51:17 <clsn> I know, I know, but it wouldn't listen to other things.
17:51:25 <clsn> I was subclassing HTMLParser
17:51:30 <[bjoern]> 14th zero
17:51:43 <[bjoern]> So I seem to be quite correct, though not sure about the source of my wisdom
17:51:48 <sbp> $ gerp 'five eggs' *swhack*
17:51:49 <sbp> zsh: command not found: gerp
17:51:50 <sbp> gerp?
17:52:04 <[bjoern]> It's a sound little storklings make
17:52:07 <nslater> self.__class__.__bases__[0].__init__(self) -- ???
17:52:08 <sbp> helios.crschmidt.net-#swhack.txt:Apr 08 10:32:19 <sbp> five eggs?
17:52:08 <sbp> helios.crschmidt.net-#swhack.txt:Apr 08 10:32:34 <[bjoern]> five eggs.
17:52:13 <clsn> It didn't like super() with MyClass as the arg, or with nothing as the arg, or with two args.
17:52:25 <clsn> Was very depressing. So I figured super() can go screw.
17:52:29 <nslater> erm..
17:52:31 <sbp> clsn: derive MyClass from object!
17:52:58 <nslater> self.__class__.__bases__[0].__init__(self) is almost as bad as exec(object.__name__ + ".attr = " + value)
17:53:11 <clsn> so derive it from (HTMLParser:HTMLParser, object)?
17:53:19 <sbp> aye
17:53:24 <sbp> (.HTMLParser)
17:53:24 <clsn> I know it's horribly long-winded. But it worked.
17:53:29 <clsn> Ohyeah.
17:53:34 <sbp> and if that doesn't work, remove python from your system
17:53:36 <clsn> I used colon first time in the code too. Wonder why.
17:53:40 <nslater> and take up gardening!
17:53:40 <sbp> heh
17:53:47 <deltab> .g sbp site:whack.com
17:53:47 <clsn> This is a brand new install.
17:53:48 <phenny> deltab: No results found for 'sbp site:whack.com'.
17:54:15 <sbp> whack.com appears to be a pornographic oriented content site
17:54:22 <nslater> heh
17:54:28 <[bjoern]> so, it's a mirror of swhack.com?
17:54:31 <sbp> hehe
17:54:47 <clsn> If I'm using super(MyClass, self).__init__, how will python know which of my parents to call __init__ with?
17:54:57 <nslater> why would you do self.__class__.__bases__[0] instead of "superclass" anyway?
17:55:07 <sbp> dunno, magics
17:55:21 <deltab> [bjoern]: apparently: it has the page sbp linked to
17:55:26 <sbp> of course, you could just use HTMLParser.HTMLParser.__init__(self, *args)
17:55:29 <nslater> clsn: you're using multiple superclasses?
17:55:33 <clsn> There's a "superclass" keyword?
17:55:40 <nslater> no, what sbp said
17:55:44 <clsn> nslater: No, I wasn't, not until sbp here started saying I had to.
17:55:53 <clsn> Yeah, I could have named the class explicitly, of course.
17:56:02 <clsn> But that didn't seem right.
17:56:17 <sbp> more right than .__bases__[0].arcane.woah
17:56:21 <nslater> hehe
17:56:55 <clsn> Maybe. __bases__[0] is dumb-looking, but straightforward enough. Named class is some constant seemingly from out of nowhere.
17:57:08 <nslater> but why are you tryin to avoid typin the name of the superclass?
17:57:11 <sbp> but it's used in the definition of the class itself
17:57:20 <nslater> unless you're doing metaclasses or something... :/
17:57:25 <clsn> On the gripping hand, though, this is a trivial operation and should NOT be this weird to do!
17:57:26 <sbp> if you have MyClass(HTMLParser.HTMLParser)...
17:57:40 <nslater> it's not weird to do :)
17:57:43 <sbp> I don't see why HTMLParser.HTMLParser.__init__(self, *args) is going to be odd
17:58:18 <sbp> HTMLParser.HTMLParser.__init__(self, *args) is pretty clear to anyone reading your code, especially if they've seen your class definition just a few lines above or so, presumably. whereas self.__class__.__bases__[0].__init__(self) is far from self-documenting
17:58:21 <clsn> Feels more elegant to name the "constant" once and refer to it by reference elsewhere. Like #defining a constant number.
17:58:34 <clsn> True, the named class is way more readable.
17:58:37 <nslater> which is what super will do
17:58:50 <clsn> which is what super SHOULD do but didn't!
17:58:50 <nslater> super(MyClass, self).__init__(self)
17:58:52 <sbp> if you mix in object
17:58:56 <sbp> did you try mixing in object yet?
17:58:59 <nslater> maybe you're DOING IT WRON
17:59:05 <clsn> nslater: I tried exactly that line.
17:59:15 <nslater> is HTMLParser.HTMLParser a newstyle class?
17:59:30 <nslater> (does it inherit from object)
18:00:06 <sbp> nope
18:00:11 <nslater> well, there you go then
18:00:20 <nslater> HTMLParser.HTMLParser.__init__(self, *args) <- is what you want
18:00:27 <clsn> super(MyParser, self).__init__(self)
18:00:27 <clsn> TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) OK, that's probably because I sholdn't have self in the args.
18:00:33 <nslater> as for having to duplicate your parent classname, suck it up, i guess :)
18:00:48 <nslater> at least it should only be a few lines away
18:00:49 <clsn> (this is after mixing in object)
18:00:59 <sbp> yay, it works
18:01:04 <nslater> ugh, mixins to avoid repeating a single object name!? :/
18:01:19 <clsn> mixing in object works. But yeah, that's worse than using the name explicitly.
18:01:27 <sbp> no it's not, heh
18:01:32 <sbp> it's a perfectly clean way of doing it
18:01:42 <clsn> the object multiple inheritance is completely mysterious and makes no sense to a casual reader.
18:01:52 <sbp> welcome to python
18:01:55 <clsn> Naming the class at least is sensible.
18:02:16 <clsn> That's not a python thing. That's a bug from "old" classes, I guess you could classify it.
18:02:26 <sbp> yeah, true...
18:02:54 <deltab> Channel 4 News is on
18:03:12 <clsn> I'm going to go with HTMLParser.HTMLParser.__init__(self) I think. Even though I like the __bases__ one.
18:03:14 <nslater> wait...
18:03:43 * sbp watches
18:04:37 <nslater> ... does anyone remember when nsh said "the good old chalky toasdtools is back"?
18:04:37 <Monty> ...her hair is reordering that, but none of attachment data from their latest one sec ? my plate today. CouchDB at OSCON and immediately afterward, I right next version again (migration is subservient to some chick one on, "this man with more likely to kindergarten. So I had issues with @adamwiggins about hearing Stephen Fry saying that doubles up gardening!
18:04:49 <sbp> mmm... her hair
18:04:54 <sbp> nslater: yep
18:04:58 <nslater> good times!
18:05:01 <sbp> yep
18:05:04 <deltab> My plate, today.
18:05:17 <sbp> one sec?
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18:05:45 <sbp> I just noticed Cameron broke protocol
18:05:50 <sbp> "you say you said it; you swallowed it!"
18:05:56 <sbp> direct address
18:06:58 <nslater> heh, that's a very odd story Monty
18:07:06 <Monty> Call to commit fixed my status code exploring the idea on each ad ); and maybe you lose the buildbot and loads of docs indexed by vastly more of individuals
18:07:09 <clsn> ARGH! Damnit. You aren't allowed to put two things in the same html doc with the same id attrib!
18:07:18 <nslater> of course not
18:07:20 <sbp> yeah of course
18:07:55 <clsn> Yeah, but I'm fuming because a page I'm parsing DID.
18:08:11 <sbp> did your parser break?
18:08:11 <Monty> morning!
18:08:15 <sbp> hello
18:08:36 <clsn> Not so much break, but it missed what I wanted it to find because it found the wrong table with that id.
18:08:52 <deltab> oh yeah, hi Monty
18:08:53 <Monty> calibrated lamentable Ginger Spice :(
18:08:55 <nslater> Monty: so basically, you were at a CouchDB talk at OSCON, and as soon as it finished you called your sex slave, who actually turned out to be a man who likes little children - and then adam told you stephen fry commented on this odd situation, suggesting he is also a gardener?
18:08:56 <Monty> bah
18:09:00 <nslater> thought so
18:16:17 <deltab> sbp: like the giant till receipt?
18:16:22 <sbp> "that discussion"
18:16:28 <sbp> sounded more like an argument to me
18:16:34 <sbp> yeah, it's pretty cute
18:16:46 <sbp> and the card number ends 2009
18:16:50 <sbp> just for that extra touch
18:16:50 <Monty> So, what status code checks again as porn star
18:17:46 <deltab> 69, Monty
18:17:49 <Monty> if (journeys == LXF) { CDs tickles clockwork Mega Drive;}
18:18:34 <deltab> ah, the good old clockwork Mega Drive
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18:24:13 <sbp> short debate
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18:27:44 <sbp> this officer tracking thing is interesting
18:30:33 <tav> http://www.ordecon.com/2009/04/22/is-git-more-than-just-a-version-control-system/
18:30:33 <phenny> tav: 13:08Z <sbp> tell tav http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/5193379/Pictures-of-the-day-21-April-2009.html?image=18
18:30:52 <tav> nice!
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20:23:32 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's maduser!
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22:06:43 <[bjoern]> The next big things will be twitterpods, twittervideopods, and ajaxiantwitterpix.
22:11:54 <BigJibby> twitterpods? some kinda alien breading mechanism?
22:12:25 <[bjoern]> I would expect, that would be, one effect.
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23:32:05 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090323/stiglitz
23:32:06 <phenny> [bjoern]: A Bank Bailout That Works
23:32:25 <[bjoern]> also: reuters: "Soros urges U.S. to create "good bank" as aggregator"
23:33:43 <[bjoern]> "Global economic crisis hits German sex industry" - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE53K00G20090421
23:33:57 <[bjoern]> well they do look bored
23:34:36 <[bjoern]> loggy: pointer?
23:34:36 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-04-22#T23-34-36
23:34:44 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://swhack.com/logs/2009-04-22#T23-34-36
23:34:44 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:35:32 <[bjoern]> "Some brothels have cut prices or added free promotions while others have introduced all-inclusive flat-rate fees."
23:36:00 <[bjoern]> "Berlin's "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate" -- a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m."
23:36:47 <[bjoern]> that's just 2130 EUR / month
23:41:02 <Arnia> I notice that Will Hutton has been saying about the need for both a good and a bad bank for ages
23:41:51 <[bjoern]> 'Clinton says Cheney not a "reliable source"'
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