Swhack! 15 May 2009
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03:50:19 <Tene> hay swhack... which unicode braces are good for representing a Set?
03:55:00 <kpreid> I would use {}
03:56:19 <kpreid> just because it's older than unicode doesn't mean it's bad :-)
03:58:53 <Tene> and if {} is already taken in that context?
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04:34:35 <nsh> i'd use MS Paint Tene
04:39:10 <Tene> Nice, I now have the following working in rakudo: my $s = ⦃ 1, 3, 5 ⦄ ∩ ⦃ 1, 2, 3, 4 ⦄;
04:46:07 <nsh> rakudo?
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05:38:22 <Tene> nsh: Perl 6
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06:23:18 <cre8radix> heya
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06:59:37 <Monty2> welcome, cre8radix2
07:00:08 <cre8radix2> heya Monty2
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07:00:11 <Monty2> explosions opens doppelgangers.
07:00:28 <cre8radix> wormholed, monty2
07:00:34 <Monty2> waiting for log output to range on Malta giving you give it hit someone in other sinful music.
07:00:36 <_ulises> welcome cre8radix
07:00:45 <_ulises> log(Malta)!
07:00:51 <cre8radix> _ulises: heya
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07:05:10 <cre8radix> sick!
07:05:12 <cre8radix> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
07:06:09 <_ulises> need login
07:06:12 <_ulises> .title
07:06:15 <phenny> Can't connect to http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
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07:17:07 <cre8radix> .title
07:17:11 <phenny> Can't connect to http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
07:17:14 <cre8radix> aha
07:17:33 <_ulises> aha indeed
07:17:47 <cre8radix> didya see the pics?
07:18:04 <cre8radix> boyscoutsagainst terrorists
07:18:28 <_ulises> no, it asked me to login
07:18:37 <_ulises> I ain't no login in to no new york times boy
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07:26:39 <Monty2> bah, it's xover again
07:30:14 <cre8radix> it asked you to login?
07:30:18 <cre8radix> how come?
07:30:25 <cre8radix> 'tis a regular link
07:30:30 <_ulises> it's the bloody new york times mang
07:30:32 <_ulises> they own the world
07:30:41 <_ulises> they can ask you to login if they so wish
07:30:47 <_ulises> noam chomsky said so
07:31:43 <cre8radix> hehe
07:31:46 <cre8radix> "The Explorers program, a coeducational affiliate of the Boy Scouts of America that began 60 years ago, is training thousands of young people in skills used to confront terrorism, illegal immigration and escalating border violence — an intense ratcheting up of one of the group’s longtime missions to prepare youths for more traditional jobs as police officers and firefighters."
07:32:09 <_ulises> wow
07:32:30 <_ulises> maybe i should've logged in, i don't want any of those scouts tracing my ip and knocking on my door!
07:32:44 <_ulises> illegal download of content without logging in
07:37:25 <cre8radix> you browser is fucking with you
07:37:35 * cre8radix didn't login
07:38:13 <cre8radix> lol
07:38:15 <cre8radix> “Put him on his face and put a knee in his back,” a Border Patrol agent explained. “I guarantee that he’ll shut up.”
07:39:22 <cre8radix> "Cathy Noriego, also 16, said she was attracted by the guns. The group uses compressed-air guns — known as airsoft guns, which fire tiny plastic pellets — in the training exercises, and sometimes they shoot real guns on a closed range." “I like shooting them,” Cathy said. “I like the sound they make. It gets me excited."
07:39:48 <cre8radix> O_O
07:39:51 <cre8radix> muahahahaha
07:39:55 <_ulises> wow
07:40:26 <cre8radix> “Before it was more about the basics,” said Johnny Longoria, a Border Patrol agent here. “But now our emphasis is on terrorism, illegal entry, drugs and human smuggling."
07:41:37 <cre8radix> "In a competition in Arizona that he did not oversee, Deputy Lowenthal said, one role-player wore traditional Arab dress. “If we’re looking at 9/11 and what a Middle Eastern terrorist would be like,” he said, “then maybe your role-player would look like that. I don’t know, would you call that politically incorrect?”"
07:41:40 <cre8radix> hahaha
07:42:20 <_ulises> awesome
07:42:21 <cre8radix> “I like the idea of having law enforcement work with medicine,” she said. “This is a great program for me.”
07:42:22 <cre8radix> "And then she was off to another bus hijacking."
07:42:24 <_ulises> bwahaha
07:42:34 <cre8radix> ok... enough spam
07:42:47 <_ulises> funny funny
07:43:28 <cre8radix> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/05/14/us/14explorers2-600a.jpg
07:50:02 <cre8radix> OMG!
07:50:04 <cre8radix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE
07:52:04 <_ulises> i know it asked me to log in
07:52:10 <_ulises> because i rejected the cookie
07:52:17 <_ulises> so in retaliation it asked me to log in
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08:01:35 <Monty2> lo mmmmmrob
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08:51:41 <Monty2> welcome, libby
09:08:06 <sbp> yo
09:11:57 * libby waves
09:17:35 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus flu conspiracy theory - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afrdATVXPEAk&refer=worldwide?piggy%20cold
09:17:35 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
09:17:42 <sbp> 'ello libby!
09:22:14 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8051161.stm
09:22:15 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | MP joins calls for Speaker to go
09:22:48 <sbp> --
09:22:49 <sbp> A no confidence motion in the Speaker is to be tabled over what some view as his poor handling of the expenses row.
09:22:51 <sbp> --
09:28:22 <sbp> [[[
09:28:24 <sbp> Maybe companies that are thinking about a cloud strategy - such as Google Apps - need to look into backup clouds" said Sam Diaz, a senior editor at technology news site ZDNet.
09:28:36 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8051262.stm
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09:32:04 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8051264.stm
09:32:06 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Surfer rescues drowning kangaroo
09:33:13 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8043490.stm
09:33:14 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
09:37:50 <sbp> hmm: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-05-03#T16-10-18
09:37:55 <sbp> phenny is over five years old now
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12:59:41 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's KiYanWang!
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13:06:52 <sbp> consider the context of one word options
13:07:01 <sbp> and you want to have an option where you can't rename a file
13:07:04 <sbp> what would you call it?
13:10:26 <clsn> so "keepname" isn't available?
13:10:41 <sbp> hmm, not too bad
13:10:53 <sbp> unrenamable was the best I'd come up with
13:11:01 <sbp> but keepname is good
13:11:11 <sbp> thanks
13:11:54 <clsn> NP.
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13:14:38 <JibberJim> DoNotRenameThisFileCosYouIsNotAllowed
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13:44:39 <[bjoern]> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1 -> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/05/13/us/0000EXPLORERS_index.html
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14:19:46 <[bjoern]> "Yes, we dutifully backed up our servers every day. Unfortunately, we backed up the servers between our two servers."
14:21:44 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: http://i43.tinypic.com/v3zyb5.jpg
14:33:47 <[bjoern]> is she putting a spell on it?
14:35:07 <cre8radix> she's blocking it
14:35:12 <cre8radix> ;P
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15:04:40 <nsh> .
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16:08:52 <sbp> “Note that 'a:gz' or 'a:bz2' is not possible.”
16:08:54 <sbp> — http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/library/tarfile.html
16:08:55 <sbp> grumble
16:09:08 <[bjoern]> :?
16:09:18 <[bjoern]> selects type?
16:09:33 <[bjoern]> you are not trying to put colons into file names, that my point is.
16:11:24 <sbp> a is append mode, gz/bz2 is the compression type
16:11:28 <sbp> r:gz is allowed
16:11:38 <sbp> r:bz2 is allowed. w:gz and w:bz2 are allowed
16:11:44 <sbp> but not a:gz, and not a:bz2
16:11:54 <sbp> instead you apparently have to compress and uncompress the archive yourself
16:12:23 <clsn> Compressions don't always like being appended to, right?
16:13:02 <[bjoern]> suppose you open for appending, append nothing, close. would that, or would that not change the file?
16:13:14 <sbp> that would not change the file
16:13:17 <[bjoern]> that's an issue you avoid by not supporting that.
16:13:27 <sbp> why would it change the file?
16:13:56 <sbp> oh, you mean change file metadata
16:14:02 <[bjoern]> open might recompress the file
16:14:06 <sbp> well you could always uncompress it on the first write operation
16:14:07 <[bjoern]> so you can actually append
16:14:43 <[bjoern]> Yeah my point is that not allowing the operation avoids having to think about issues like this
16:14:48 <sbp> or maybe they uncompress it to memory, I dunno how r:gz/r:bz2 work
16:14:58 <sbp> sure, but why should they avoid it?
16:15:18 <sbp> it's their job to think about this kind of silly shit that nobody else would touch with a barge pole
16:15:23 <sbp> that's what the standard library is for!
16:15:35 <clsn> Gosh durnit. lrzip seems to give approximately 50% the filesize when compressing large files, as compared to bz2. That's not insignificant.
16:15:53 <[bjoern]> but the programmer has to deal with the issue!
16:16:13 <sbp> nah, it shouldn't change the file
16:16:27 <sbp> anyway, it's irrelevant here
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16:49:16 <sbp> >>> time.strftime('%Z', time.localtime())
16:49:17 <sbp> 'BST'
16:49:17 <sbp> >>> time.strftime('%z', time.localtime())
16:49:17 <sbp> '+0000'
16:49:17 <sbp> >>>
16:49:17 <phenny> TypeError: '_sre.SRE_Match' object is not callable (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/oblique.py", line 78, in python)
16:49:19 <phenny> TypeError: '_sre.SRE_Match' object is not callable (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/oblique.py", line 78, in python)
16:49:44 <sbp> shup your shuphole, phenny
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17:32:55 <[bjoern]> yi
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17:35:38 <sbp> .yi
17:35:38 <phenny> Not yet...
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18:20:44 <nsh> phenny, en fi "custard"?
18:20:44 <phenny> nsh: "vaniljakastike" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
18:20:48 <nsh> phenny, en fi "custard factory"?
18:20:48 <phenny> nsh: "vaniljakastike tehdas" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
18:22:30 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nike_introduces_new_intercourse?utm_source=a-section
18:22:31 <phenny> [bjoern]: Nike Introduces New Intercourse Shoe | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
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18:57:49 <nsh> phenny, en fi "barn"?
18:57:49 <phenny> nsh: "lato" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
18:58:51 <[bjoern]> sbp http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=227353&title=Little-Crop-of-Horrors
19:00:08 <[bjoern]> do not combine with ingestion
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19:33:33 <[bjoern]> .gc "vibrating input device"
19:33:33 <phenny> "vibrating input device": 3
19:46:47 <deltab> phenny: "ガッ"?
19:46:48 <phenny> deltab: The ja to en translation failed, sorry!
19:46:54 <deltab> phenny: "ガッ"?
19:46:55 <phenny> deltab: The ja to en translation failed, sorry!
19:46:57 <deltab> bah
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20:03:06 <deltab> sbp: HIGNFY!
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20:12:42 <sbp> deltab: will watch the extended version
20:12:52 <sbp> since I totally forgot it was on, heh
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20:16:38 <[bjoern]> so mit/gnu scheme is total fail for my purposes
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20:30:43 <sbp> does that imply that mit/gnu scheme is win for others' purposes?
20:31:49 <[bjoern]> I'd let Monty be the judge, but there are obvious problems with that.
20:33:23 <sbp> yeah, clearly
20:34:00 <[bjoern]> So how about going with a more traditional answer, like, fuck off?
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20:40:12 <[bjoern]> Considering LotR, LtoR is a bad abbreviation.
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20:57:54 <sbp> LtoR?
20:58:02 <[bjoern]> left to right
20:58:02 <Monty> er, put on that copyright notices in different signal is voluntary
20:58:18 <[bjoern]> found on the unicode mailing list
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22:26:26 <[bjoern]> so meta now has a value attribute... http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/dns-prefetching
23:20:27 <[bjoern]> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/15/quote-sony-pictures.html
23:21:39 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/05/news-flash-taliban-waterboards-captured.html
23:21:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.