Swhack! 24 May 2009
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00:28:30 <shminux> .w привет
00:28:30 <phenny> привет — noun: 1. greeting — interjection: 1. hello (informal)
00:29:10 <shminux> .w 青蛙
00:29:10 <phenny> 青蛙 — noun: 1. frog
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00:30:37 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's catzilla!
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01:09:33 <MoiraA> nsh, you alive?
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07:17:30 <[bjoern]> Spoiler Alert:
07:19:04 <deltab> but no spoiler? or maybe you're just alerting us to some upcoming spoiler, and don't wnat to give away exactly when it'll come
07:19:24 <deltab> because that would be a meta-spoiler
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07:46:25 <sbp> yo
07:47:18 <[bjoern]> ab tells me "Send request failed!" when I set concurrency level to > 13 for my web server... No idea why that might be...
07:48:34 <sbp> spooky goons freaked with your bytes machine mang
07:48:48 <[bjoern]> With Apache as server it does this with level > ~264
07:49:52 <[bjoern]> .gc "!!!!!!!!!!!!DO NOT USE APACHE BENCHMARK FOR PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS IT IS BLOATWARE AND BROKEN!!!!!!!"
07:49:53 <phenny> "!!!!!!!!!!!!DO NOT USE APACHE BENCHMARK FOR PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS IT IS BLOATWARE AND BROKEN!!!!!!!": 1
07:50:01 <sbp> good advice
07:51:49 <[bjoern]> their new "It worked!" page seems to be "<html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>" btw
07:51:57 <[bjoern]> quite a downgrade
07:53:12 <sbp> they should use <!DOCTYPE SGMLguid>
07:53:43 <sbp> so how do you compile a C compiler if you don't have a C compiler?
07:53:58 <[bjoern]> manually.
07:54:36 <sbp> nice
07:54:39 <deltab> a cross-compiler
07:55:15 <[bjoern]> I would appreciate if someone could kill whoever turned this google suggest feature on on the main google page.
07:55:22 <sbp> ah, and I can do that with... GCC
07:55:33 <sbp> [bjoern]: go to Google Preferences?
07:55:38 <sbp> pretty sure there's an option about it
07:55:45 * deltab nods
07:55:48 <sbp> your cookie must have expired or something
07:56:12 <[bjoern]> My cookies expire very quickly.
07:56:31 <[bjoern]> Why is a good reason not to bother with such preferences.
07:56:32 <deltab> make sure the tin is airtight
08:03:38 <sbp> $ ls bin/git-* | wc -l
08:03:38 <sbp> 5
08:03:44 <sbp> $ ls libexec/git-core/git-* | wc -l
08:03:44 <sbp> 144
08:03:47 <sbp> git mex2chox
08:04:13 <sbp> $ ln -fish ~/packages/git/bin/git
08:05:47 <[bjoern]> ubuntu magic to configure network? there is some gui for it...
08:08:28 <[bjoern]> nm-connection-editor
08:08:54 <[bjoern]> It did not ask me for root password, so I guess changes are not permanent, which explains why I have to configure this again
08:09:49 <[bjoern]> so I also figured out ab is not part of package "ab" or "apache-ab" or whatever, but "apache2-utils"
08:11:25 <[bjoern]> so it does not like O_BINARY, though it works on Cygwin...
08:11:30 <[bjoern]> so what's it called this time?
08:12:31 <[bjoern]> oh let me guess
08:17:06 <[bjoern]> So, does not happen when the server runs in the vm and ab on on the host
08:18:40 <[bjoern]> neither when both run in the vm
08:21:40 <[bjoern]> valgrind says I have no memory bugs either.
08:26:33 <[bjoern]> ab in vm, server on host, also works
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09:47:14 <sbp> funny, ImageMagick doesn't configure unless you do this:
09:47:15 <sbp> $ export LD=/usr/libexec/gcc/i686-apple-darwin9/4.2.1/ld
09:47:29 <sbp> but that's just a symlink to the regular ld that it uses, at /usr/bin/ld
09:50:08 <sbp> I only tried it because the failure was something like ld complaining it had no -arch specified
09:50:18 <sbp> so I thought, if the arch is in the symlink I wonder if it can derive it from that
09:50:24 <sbp> and perhaps it does
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11:46:36 <sbp> chuckle, Bernie and Geri
11:46:36 <Monty2> where the entire meeting arranged by that one...
11:47:29 <sbp> we ought to have more irc games
11:47:38 <sbp> something more than countdown at least
11:48:11 <[bjoern]> x in 1,1
11:48:52 <sbp> ∴ x = 1 QED thx2u
11:49:23 <sbp> .gc "point and squirt"
11:49:24 <phenny> "point and squirt": 1,060
11:50:02 <[bjoern]> c'mon you aren't even supposed to lose tic tac toe.
11:50:14 <sbp> ah!
11:50:23 <sbp> doesn't o usually go first?
11:50:38 <[bjoern]> register a formal objection if you don't like it.
11:51:06 <sbp> o in 2,2
11:51:17 <[bjoern]> x in 3,3
11:51:17 <Monty2> Perhaps you check revno
11:51:27 <[bjoern]> perhaps I do Monty2
11:51:36 <Monty2> Moz and i save, command-tab, and straightedge alone, a village and upgrade Perl programming language." - '{reduce, exact, true} when upgrading from my front door in london"
11:51:41 <sbp> o in 3,2
11:51:59 <[bjoern]> x in 1,2
11:52:11 <sbp> ooh, you saw my subtle plan
11:52:20 <sbp> o in 1,3
11:52:22 <[bjoern]> there was nothing subtle about it
11:52:29 <[bjoern]> x in 3,1
11:52:38 <sbp> well I didn't say "HEY, I'M GOING FOR A LINE HERE"
11:52:44 <sbp> and I could have done. I could have done that
11:52:51 <[bjoern]> I drew the whole thing up in paintbrush
11:52:56 <sbp> o in 2,1
11:53:04 <sbp> I've just got a text editor open with it
11:53:06 <[bjoern]> x in 2,3
11:53:09 <[bjoern]> BOARD FULL
11:53:14 <[bjoern]> Monty2 wins
11:53:14 <Monty2> Tell me more about that.
11:53:25 <sbp> Monty2: you get to cook us foods for a week
11:53:30 <Monty2> My secret: Linus Torvalds's lamebrained hairs has sex with Bud_Lite's chequered experiences.
11:53:33 <sbp> 1 2 3
11:53:33 <sbp> 1 x o x
11:53:33 <sbp> 2 x o o
11:53:33 <sbp> 3 o x x
11:53:40 <[bjoern]> that i'd like, the food thing I mean
11:53:47 <[bjoern]> that's too complicated
11:53:54 <sbp> I almost made an esr hacker glider
11:53:56 <sbp> so perhaps I lose
11:55:05 <[bjoern]> -> http://imagebin.ca/img/ZZx0YHA.png
11:55:17 <sbp> hehe
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11:55:47 <sbp> $ pngout oxo.png
11:55:47 <sbp> In: 2400 bytes oxo.png /c3 /f0 /d1
11:55:47 <sbp> Out: 2051 bytes oxo.png /c3 /f0 /d1, 2 colors
11:55:47 <sbp> Chg: -349 bytes ( 85% of original)
11:56:17 <[bjoern]> imagick put some weird tags in it
11:56:23 <[bjoern]> didn't bother removing them
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11:56:30 <sbp> $ advpng -z4 oxo.png
11:56:30 <sbp> 2051 2051 100% oxo.png (Bigger 3188)
11:56:30 <sbp> 2051 2051 100%
11:57:13 <sbp> optipng:
11:57:14 <sbp> Selecting parameters:
11:57:14 <sbp> zc = 8 zm = 8 zs = 1 f = 0 IDAT size = 2206
11:57:14 <sbp> oxo.png is already optimized.
11:57:16 <sbp> pngout wins!
11:58:22 <[bjoern]> pngout is 89% of original if you remove the tags first
11:59:02 <sbp> the PNG spec ought to have an easter egg in it
11:59:11 <sbp> where you can compress some large image down to like a few magic bytes
11:59:49 <[bjoern]> I am sure you can do that by triggering a buffer overflow in some implementations...
12:00:02 <sbp> Monaco parade lap about to start
12:00:19 <[bjoern]> Are we going to win?
12:00:28 <sbp> the Finn has a nose in
12:00:46 <sbp> GBR FIN BRA top three on grid
12:01:08 <sbp> top GER is 4th, I think. Massa BRA 5th?
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12:04:07 <sbp> GBR BRA FIN now...
12:05:14 <[bjoern]> Good that FIN is not a end of list marker here.
12:05:22 <sbp> heh
12:05:25 <[bjoern]> Otherwise I'd regret having missed the crash.
12:05:36 <[bjoern]> And the race quite probably.
12:05:38 <sbp> 4th placed GER is still 4th, but he had a good start
12:06:24 <[bjoern]> Watch 2 Hours 2 Cars Racing for 2 Ranks
12:07:10 <[bjoern]> Win or loose, no middle ground.
12:07:26 <sbp> it'd probably be over quite quickly
12:07:37 <sbp> I like the street circuits
12:07:39 <[bjoern]> Only because management is master of boredom.
12:07:41 <sbp> they should set one up in Britain
12:07:46 <sbp> in Luton or Birmingham or something
12:08:36 <[bjoern]> Build a city around silverstone.
12:08:51 <sbp> hehe, good idea. except that the GP isn't at Silverstone anymore
12:08:56 <sbp> it's at Donnington (maybe)
12:09:09 <[bjoern]> that might explain "Lap Record 1:18.739 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004, F1)"
12:09:42 <sbp> nothing can explain that
12:09:48 <[bjoern]> "It was announced on 4 July 2008 that Donington Park has been awarded the contract to host the British Grand Prix for 10 years from 2010.[1]"
12:10:06 <sbp> yeah, but it's not sure that they'll get the track ready
12:10:11 <sbp> they've been having Problems™
12:10:25 <sbp> there were even rumours they'd drop the British GP altogether if so
12:10:45 <sbp> BRA nearly overtook GER
12:10:49 <[bjoern]> Donington cost £12,000 to build
12:10:58 <sbp> £12,000? in what year?
12:11:06 <[bjoern]> opened 31
12:11:09 <[bjoern]> "Lap Record 1:18.029 (185.608 km/h) (Ayrton Senna, McLaren, 1993, F1)"
12:11:50 <sbp> GER's got a queue of cars behind him
12:12:13 <sbp> BRA got overtaken by the GER behind him
12:12:24 <sbp> so, GBR BRA FIN GER GER
12:13:02 <[bjoern]> they should remix f1 mario kart style.
12:13:12 <sbp> agreed
12:14:07 <sbp> GER is trying to overtake GER
12:14:14 <sbp> for a net GER gain of 0
12:15:41 <[bjoern]> "Mario Kart Country War GER versus USA Grand Prix 2 || GER 106:104 USA. Hello, you either have JavaScript ... Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar."
12:15:54 <sbp> close one
12:16:10 <sbp> what's that in, Mario Kart Wii?
12:16:22 <sbp> GER and BRA overtook the GER
12:16:27 <sbp> net GER gain: -1
12:16:41 <sbp> actually I think he lost a third place
12:16:43 <[bjoern]> This video is in your country not available.
12:16:45 <sbp> and now he's pitted
12:16:52 <sbp> net GER gain: -10 or something
12:17:21 <[bjoern]> You sure you got the right programme?
12:17:28 <[bjoern]> all this overtaking strikes me as unusual
12:17:29 <sbp> yeah
12:17:39 <sbp> yeah, well his rear tyres were shot
12:18:22 <[bjoern]> A red koopa shell had nothing to do with it.
12:18:31 <sbp> it would have to be an invisible one if so
12:18:42 <sbp> I can't remember any Mario Kart version with invisible koopa shells
12:19:42 <[bjoern]> Well in the original they were quite invisible if someone shot one at you.
12:19:49 <[bjoern]> from behind anyway.
12:19:59 <sbp> even if you looked behind?
12:20:20 <[bjoern]> I think this was only possible in 2p mode, so no behind looking
12:20:29 <sbp> ah
12:21:58 <[bjoern]> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2318199902_12c538737e_m.jpg carries some deep meaning
12:22:29 <sbp> what game was that from?
12:22:52 <[bjoern]> my guess would be none
12:22:58 <sbp> eeenteresting
12:23:03 <sbp> they should make a game out of it
12:23:59 <sbp> GER out of the race, whacked the barrier
12:24:11 <[bjoern]> both?
12:24:16 <sbp> only one
12:24:26 <sbp> the one whose tyres were shot (but he had changed them)
12:25:18 <sbp> 1st place GBR into pits
12:25:38 <sbp> GER now in lead
12:25:52 <[bjoern]> http://www.the-minusworld.com/wp-admin/images/July08/ThwompTheVote08/ThwompTheVoteVicePoster.jpg
12:25:59 <[bjoern]> We had it coming
12:26:17 <sbp> chox. and chox
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12:26:53 <sbp> 1st place GER into pits
12:26:59 <sbp> GBR back to 1st place
12:27:25 <[bjoern]> perhaps someone told them over the radio there's a surprise in the pits.
12:27:35 <sbp> ESP got past GER
12:29:03 <[bjoern]> Well we always had a thing with extrasensory perception
12:29:16 <sbp> couldn't work out what code to use
12:29:24 <sbp> SPA? ESP? SPN?
12:30:28 <[bjoern]> "ESP [61] Spain SPA (1956\endash 1964, 1968 W)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOC_country_codes
12:30:59 <sbp> see, even they can't make their minds up
12:31:30 <sbp> W for Winter, I presume
12:31:54 <[bjoern]> USA used SUA 1960 summer and EUA 1968 summer.
12:32:10 <sbp> chuckle, what?
12:32:16 <sbp> SUA could just be a drunk typo
12:32:18 <sbp> what's EUA?
12:32:27 <sbp> Eunited Ustates of Americo
12:32:55 <[bjoern]> "Portuguese, Spanish and French abbreviation of USA"
12:33:04 <sbp> ah
12:33:11 <[bjoern]> "The IOC code currently applied for the Olympic United Team of Germany of 1956-1964"
12:33:12 <sbp> phenny: en fr "United States of America"?
12:33:23 <[bjoern]> 0x10
12:33:32 <[bjoern]> phenny, en fr "United States of America"?
12:33:33 <phenny> [bjoern]: The en to fr translation failed, sorry!
12:33:38 <[bjoern]> phenny, en pt "United States of America"?
12:33:38 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Estados Unidos" (en to pt, translate.google.com)
12:33:40 <sbp> thanks. stupid phennig
12:33:51 <[bjoern]> phenny, en es "United States of America"?
12:33:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Estados Unidos de América" (en to es, translate.google.com)
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12:44:09 <Monty2> Thank goodness, jeffarch is back!
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12:50:06 <sbp> -GBR about to lap GBR
12:59:44 <cre8radix> yo sbp
12:59:53 <sbp> yo re8cradix
13:00:03 <cre8radix> :)
13:08:14 <sbp> .gc "cream and almonds"
13:08:14 <phenny> "cream and almonds": 7,180
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13:45:06 <sbp> Button (GBR), Barrichello (BRA), Raikkonen (FIN), Massa (BRA), Webber (AUS)
13:47:27 <sbp> hehe, Button went in the wrong place
13:48:01 <sbp> now he's having to run to the podium
14:01:13 <sbp> [[[
14:01:14 <sbp> The higher education watchdog revealed last week that, in 2008, it received 900 student complaints about their universities. That's up 23% on 2007 and Diana Warwick, chief executive of Universities UK, described it as "900 complaints too many". That's taking student satisfaction pretty seriously. Quite what utopias of academic excellence and alcohol our universities would have to become to elicit zero complaints is frightening to ima
14:01:14 <sbp> gine.
14:01:17 <sbp> ]]] - David Mitchell
14:06:13 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8065504.stm
14:06:15 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Renewed pride at Germany's birthday party
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15:12:12 <[bjoern]> .gc "where be dragons"
15:12:13 <phenny> "where be dragons": 132
15:12:29 <[bjoern]> x at 3,1
15:23:24 <kpreid> .gc "defying levity"
15:23:25 <phenny> "defying levity": 3
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16:21:19 <[bjoern]> .gc +twitterpenis
16:21:19 <phenny> +twitterpenis: 26
16:23:29 <[bjoern]> video services do not have a copy of Metalvotze's Winnerdemo.
16:26:39 <[bjoern]> Yeah, Hypnotoad won, Nibbler is dumb, and Zoidberg is like totally last, meaning second.
16:28:26 <[bjoern]> so and now they've escaped the brains.
16:29:19 <[bjoern]> Zoiby want balloon!
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16:34:57 <[bjoern]> hmm mittens
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16:38:29 <Joey04> hi
16:38:47 <Joey04> does anyone know how to mae a website?
16:38:56 <Joey04> make*
16:38:57 <[bjoern]> Hello Joey04, Welcome to Swhack. How may we be of assistance on this fine day?
16:39:21 <Joey04> i wanna know how to make a website
16:39:28 <Joey04> free with no charge or download
16:39:31 <[bjoern]> I believe you create content in a suitable format and then publish it on The Internet.
16:40:20 <Joey04> were do i go for that?
16:40:53 <Joey04> cus i wanna make my BMX club a website
16:43:10 <nsh> do you have any candles? internet site needs special candle registration
16:43:23 <Joey04> idk
16:43:31 <Joey04> ive never made a website
16:43:45 <nsh> if you have a bee-hive, you can roll the wax
16:43:47 <Joey04> and i dont wanna download software and i dont wanna spend money
16:43:55 <nsh> submit the candle at rutube.com
16:44:22 <nsh> you will have to upload as a TAR.NUB file
16:44:34 <Joey04> w/e
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16:45:25 <nsh> where do they come from?
16:48:31 <[bjoern]> You could at least have asked for pix before candling the youngling.
16:53:09 <nsh> noted for future references
17:00:01 <[bjoern]> Time to practise my quitter attitude
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18:43:25 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Zoiby want balloon!"
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18:45:49 <sbp> nsh not want topic?
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18:46:58 <Monty2> hey nsh
18:47:28 <sbp> nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh nsh
18:47:35 <nsh> double welcome, monty... i'm flattered
18:47:39 <Monty2> organised PcW zest decapitates awful clingfilm and dripping Indonesian pipes :P
18:48:02 <nsh> whurp sbp?
18:48:38 <sbp> [[[
18:48:39 <sbp> The Convivial Songster; Containing a select Collection of the best Songs in the English Language, classed under the following Heads, viz.
18:48:39 <sbp> Humorous, Amorous, Bacchanalian, Satyrical [sic], Songs on the Caprices of Women, Dialectic Songs, Sea Songs, Miscellaneous and Original Songs, with the Music prefixed to each;
18:48:45 <sbp> selected from the best Authors, and the most approved Collections, and expressly intended for the Use of those who will wish to please the Companies where Humour, Mirth, and Wit are understood and applauded. With an Introduction, containing Rules and Instructions for such as wish to become pleasing and good Singers.
18:48:52 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.foxearth.org.uk/1783NorfolkChronicle.html
18:53:10 * Arnia forgot Mr Scruff did the Rolando soundtrack
18:55:10 <nsh> you can hold copyright on microfinche of newspaper
18:55:11 <nsh> ?
18:55:16 <nsh> that stretched credulity a little
18:55:29 <nsh> what fucking creative input is there to taking a photo of a newpaper page?
18:55:47 <sbp> nsh: http://books.google.com/books?id=8cH0mi_uf0EC&pg=PA17
18:58:44 <nsh> ischex
18:59:20 <nsh> viddy nice mah droog
19:00:31 <sbp> vote for your favourite poet?
19:00:32 <sbp> http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/
19:02:37 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater the BBC is running some kind of Poetry Season thing, and they have a page up where you can vote for your favourite poet out of some list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/apps/ifl/poetryseason/captcha - interesting to see who they chose for the list
19:02:37 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
19:03:12 *** nsh changed the topic to: ""More solid things do not show the Complexion of the times so well, as Ballads and Libels.""
19:03:33 <sbp> (the most notable absence, of course, is our greatest poet)
19:03:48 * nsh knows too few poets to vote
19:04:01 <sbp> well since Shakespeare isn't on the list I suggest you boycott it
19:04:09 <sbp> surprisingly, no Chaucer either
19:04:32 <nsh> hence quote from: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/11/messages/496.html
19:04:33 <sbp> and of course, no Nashe, no Marlowe, no Jonson...
19:04:44 <sbp> (they do have John Donne though! but no Herrick)
19:04:59 <nsh> philistines
19:05:25 <sbp> hmm, that's funny
19:05:31 <sbp> I don't know much about John Selden
19:05:39 <sbp> but I did find a book by him at random in the library the other day
19:05:52 <sbp> I was just looking at books at random, and one was his commonplace journal
19:06:14 <sbp> the introduction said it was a supreme example of literature
19:06:23 <sbp> but skimming it didn't interest me all that much, I must say
19:06:42 <sbp> not that my skimming is particularly good
19:07:06 <nsh> man, this guy has some good quotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Selden
19:07:20 <nsh> mmm
19:07:42 <nsh> skimming can often take the cream, and othertimes the slurry
19:07:56 <nsh> .ety slurry
19:07:57 <phenny> "c.1440, 'mud, slime,' probably related to M.E. sloor 'thin or fluid mud' (see slur)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=slurry
19:08:21 <nsh> would have been better with "but othertimes"
19:08:23 <nsh> pretend i said that
19:11:02 <sbp> hmm, interesting, the BBC put Lime Tree Bower online
19:11:16 <nsh> what is it?
19:11:17 <sbp> wonder what they've got of Milton's...
19:11:22 <nsh> .wik Lime Tree Bower
19:11:24 <phenny> "This Lime Tree Bower is an early play by Conor McPherson." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Lime_Tree_Bower
19:11:27 <sbp> Lime Tree Bower? poem by Coleridge
19:11:43 <nsh> oh, wikifail
19:11:49 <nsh> [nshfail]
19:11:49 <sbp> very much so
19:11:59 <sbp> nah, it's not commonly remarked on
19:12:29 <sbp> hmm. Lycidas, Sonnet 19, and a Paradise Lost extract
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19:18:37 <sbp> this is quite luls:
19:18:37 <sbp> http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/xml/caroline1.xml
19:21:02 <nsh> you mean the video?
19:21:11 <nsh> otherwise i'm missing some xml humour here...
19:23:06 <sbp> yeah, the video
19:27:28 <sbp> heh, they didn't even get the title right;
19:27:31 <sbp> s/;/:/
19:27:31 <sbp> http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/poems/jerusalem.shtml
19:30:21 <sbp> ...I really shouldn't read sites like this
19:30:50 <sbp> hey, Selden was bunged in Marshalsea
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19:34:18 <deltab> why would Channel 4 air Natural Born Kissers, but cut just the words "you perverts", badly?
19:37:09 <nsh> censorship in "poorly-done and pointless" shocker...
19:37:50 <sbp> especially on Channel 4, kinds of poorly done and pointless censorship
19:38:07 <nsh> btw
19:38:38 <nsh> what's the name for that emotion you feel when watching something that's been done really terribly? like a film or tv-show or whatever
19:38:54 <nsh> a kind of empathic embarassment
19:39:01 <nsh> ie, "cringeworthy" things
19:39:09 <nsh> what's the response called?
19:39:09 <Monty2> ah
19:39:15 <sbp> ooh, I know just what you mean
19:39:18 <sbp> but I don't know what it's called
19:39:26 <nsh> there must be a name for it
19:39:26 <sbp> cringing, I'd have just called it
19:39:50 <nsh> well, i was trying to tell my dad that his brain must be missing the portion responsible for the faculty of <....>
19:40:00 <nsh> (watching some terrible film]
19:40:27 <nsh> but it's something i've strove for many times before
19:40:37 <nsh> being one of my most common reactions to things recently
19:40:54 <nsh> e.g. most contemporary television dramas
19:41:00 <nsh> Doctor Who, for instance
19:41:24 <nsh> someone must have written about this eloquently
19:42:28 <sbp> .thesaurus cringe
19:42:30 <phenny> sbp: wince, recoil, flinch, jump, start
19:43:20 <nsh> it's not even quite the same thing as what causes cringing in cringeworthy jokes, for instance
19:43:23 <nsh> or bad puns, etc.
19:43:28 <nsh> that's a quite different quale
19:43:35 <nsh> (class of quale]
19:44:31 <nsh> must closer to the feeling when nominally participating in a conversation wherein the active participants are being painfully misinformed
19:44:55 <nsh> or when a family member airs some horrific opinion
19:47:18 <sbp> Emotional Buttstab Syndrome?
19:48:37 <nsh> this discusses it semicompetantly http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6354&IBLOCK_ID=35
19:49:06 <nsh> Without the benefit of slapstick or the hope of a semi-happy ending, this translates into a visceral feeling of discomfort for the viewer. This is far from a pleasant feeling, but it is nevertheless a response that few filmmakers can claim to engender.
19:49:50 * nsh might ask on the reference desk
19:57:19 <sbp> nsh: oh, I've been meaning for days to show you a Donne poem
19:57:22 <sbp> hang on, lemme find it
19:57:39 <nsh> cool
19:58:41 <sbp> a selection from Elegy 20:
19:58:42 <sbp> --
19:58:43 <sbp> Here let me war; in these arms let me lie;
19:58:43 <sbp> Here let me parley, batter, bleed, and die.
19:58:43 <sbp> Thine arms imprison me, and mine arms thee,
19:58:43 <sbp> Thy heart thy ransom is, take mine for me.
19:58:44 <sbp> Other men war that they their rest may gain,
19:58:49 <sbp> But we will rest that we may fight again.
19:58:51 <sbp> Those wars the ignorant, these th'experienced love,
19:58:53 <sbp> There we are always under, here above.
19:58:55 <sbp> There engines far off breed a just true fear,
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19:58:57 <sbp> Near thrusts, pikes, stabs, yea bullets hurt not here.
19:58:59 <sbp> There lies are wrongs; here safe uprightly lie;
19:59:01 <sbp> There men kill men, we'will make one by and by.
19:59:03 <sbp> --
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20:03:16 * nsh reads
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20:05:09 <nsh> i like
20:05:16 <nsh> don't think finngirl would appreciate though
20:05:34 <nsh> binary contrast can only be stretched so far too
20:06:06 <nsh> comes off a little awkward
20:06:09 <nsh> but that might be me
20:16:40 <sbp> <masak> I'm not afraid of consonants. they tried to scare me in Slovenia, but it takes more than a čmrlj to freighten me. :)
20:17:17 <nsh> plusplus
20:19:36 <nsh> why is there not a catalogue of qualia?
20:19:41 <nsh> someone should make that
20:19:44 <nsh> .gc qualipedia
20:19:45 <phenny> qualipedia: 22
20:19:49 <sbp> they did. it's called the UNIVERSE
20:20:02 <nsh> mrr
20:20:12 <nsh> but srs
20:20:22 <sbp> if you want to be srs, stop talking about qualia
20:20:39 <sbp> le principle est muchofailuresque
20:21:26 <nsh> of course
20:21:41 <nsh> but i'm not stretching the word into silliness
20:21:51 <sbp> using it at all is silliness
20:21:53 <nsh> i just mean a comprehensive listing of sensations
20:22:01 <sbp> again, the world... :-)
20:22:11 <nsh> don't be glibbant
20:22:14 <nsh> .gc glibbant
20:22:14 <phenny> glibbant: 0
20:22:22 <nsh> ;-]
20:22:24 <sbp> now that is a word and a half
20:22:30 <nsh> aye
20:22:38 * nsh licenses it to the moon
20:22:47 <sbp> where does roan go in the inventory of qualia?
20:22:51 <nsh> earthens to pay royalties
20:22:55 <nsh> .w roan
20:22:56 <phenny> roan — noun: 1. an animal such as a horse that has a coat of a dark base color with individual white hairs mixed in, 2. the color of such an animal — adjective: 1. especially of a horse, having a coat of a dark base color with individual white hairs mixed in
20:23:46 <sbp> what about someone with synæsthesia who sees a martian colour?
20:23:46 <nsh> no idea
20:23:49 <sbp> can you classify that?
20:24:16 <sbp> if you play an Am as a first chord, it sounds sad
20:24:27 <sbp> if you play it after GMaj and CMaj it doesn't, so much
20:24:36 <nsh> the point isn't nonarbitrary classification, just having a handle for things
20:24:42 <sbp> do you have to count that as two sensations? or one? or two shades of one? or what?
20:24:46 <nsh> the naming of something gives ability to employ it
20:24:56 <nsh> sure, i made all the same objections to platonism
20:25:11 <sbp> you just want more words, for more subtle things, basically?
20:25:16 <nsh> right
20:25:21 <sbp> that's a plan I can get behind
20:25:21 <Monty2> close one by couch_query_servers.erl
20:25:26 <nsh> ok, cool
20:25:42 <sbp> by the way, Anglo-Saxon is a good thing to plunder for that
20:25:56 <sbp> Anglo-Saxon has words for things I didn't even know were things
20:25:59 <sbp> it's quite amazing
20:26:02 <nsh> awesome
20:26:21 <nsh> anywhere i can begin plundrations?
20:26:28 <sbp> like I think I found a word for the ash patterns left by embers after the burning of a barn or something
20:26:34 <sbp> and it was like, fuck me, Anglo-Saxon is great
20:26:46 <sbp> hmm, Bosworth and Toller is online I think
20:27:11 <sbp> you get the feeling that Anglo-Saxon wasn't grown organically like other languages
20:27:26 <sbp> it was stacked up with the blood and sweat of poet warriors
20:27:33 <nsh> PLUSPLUSPLUS
20:30:06 <nsh> http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/txt/oe_bosworthtoller.txt
20:30:14 <nsh> WAI FORMATTING IN MAH TEX FIEL
20:30:27 <sbp> wow, the whole thing in one file
20:30:48 <sbp> probably some TEI stuff
20:31:07 <nsh> .wik TEi
20:31:09 <phenny> "Kim Ho Kyung (born April 4, 1983), commonly known as Tei, is a Korean Ballad singer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tei_(singer)
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20:31:11 <nsh> .wik TEI
20:31:11 <phenny> "Tei (singer), a Korean popular music singer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEI
20:31:13 <nsh> mrr
20:31:15 <sbp> .wik Text Encoding Initiative
20:31:16 <phenny> "The Text Encoding Initiative (TEI), a consortium of institutions and research projects, maintains and develops a standard for the representation of texts in digital form." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_Encoding_Initiative
20:31:20 <nsh> ah
20:31:23 <nsh> how can i render this?
20:31:33 <nsh> was gonna change extension to html and see what hap
20:31:35 <nsh> 't
20:31:45 <sbp> there are HTML versions online anyway, methinketh
20:31:59 <sbp> probably not in one page
20:32:48 <sbp> if you replaced each blank line with <p> using sed...
20:32:53 <sbp> that'd probably be adequate
20:33:12 <nsh> aight
20:37:09 <sbp> also, this is so great:
20:37:10 <sbp> http://www.archive.org/download/rhapblue11924/rhapblue11924.flac
20:37:20 <sbp> Rhapsody in Blue from the year it was premiered
20:37:26 <sbp> sounds very different to later orchestrations
20:40:21 * nsh notes to check when not in familyfilm situation
20:40:38 <sbp> second part is here:
20:40:38 <sbp> http://www.archive.org/download/rhapblue21924/rhapblue21924.flac
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