Swhack! 25 May 2009
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00:28:32 <Monty2> hi [bjoern]
00:28:37 <[bjoern]> yo Monty2
00:28:40 <Monty2> Thy heart and on things I have 2 x at rutube.com
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01:31:42 <Monty2> hi shminux_
01:35:01 <shminux_> Monty2!
01:35:03 <Monty2> drains is lowest and nine.
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03:31:31 <deltab> Google using upside-down Unicode: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/congratulations-eric-yang-winner-of.html
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04:03:58 <[bjoern]> Countdown
04:03:59 <Monty2> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 9, 2, 5, 6, 6. Your target is 570. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:04:29 <Monty2> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:04:30 <Monty2> I found a solution in approximately 32 milliseconds. I found all 72 solutions in about 94 milliseconds.
04:04:32 <Monty2> ibot (9*2*6 + 6)*5
04:04:32 <phenny> ((9 * 2 * 6) + 6) * 5 = 570
04:04:34 <[bjoern]> countdown
04:04:36 <Monty2> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 6, 3, 4, 10, 7. Your target is 664. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:04:55 <[bjoern]> .c (10+4)*(50+3)
04:04:56 <phenny> (10 + 4) * (50 + 3) = 742
04:05:01 <[bjoern]> .c (10+4)*(50)
04:05:01 <phenny> (10 + 4) * 50 = 700
04:05:05 <[bjoern]> .c (10+4)*(50-3)
04:05:05 <phenny> (10 + 4) * (50 - 3) = 658
04:05:06 <Monty2> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:05:08 <Monty2> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 87 solutions in about 47 milliseconds.
04:05:09 <Monty2> ibot (6 + 7)*50 + 4 + 10
04:05:10 <phenny> ((6 + 7) * 50) + 4 + 10 = 664
04:05:20 <[bjoern]> .c (10+4)*(50-3) + 6
04:05:20 <phenny> ((10 + 4) * (50 - 3)) + 6 = 664
04:05:34 <[bjoern]> telling + and - apart has always been a problem
04:12:29 <[bjoern]> .gcs "penis penis penis" "vagina vagina vagina"
04:12:30 <phenny> "penis penis penis" (4,780), "vagina vagina vagina" (1,790)
04:14:09 <nslater> .o flip Answers: 1. ɐıuɐɯoɹ 2. ɐıɟos 3. ɥɔɹnɥɔʇsıɹɥɔ
04:14:09 <phenny> christchurch ˙Ɛ sofia ˙2 romania ˙1 :sɹǝʍsu∀
04:17:25 <[bjoern]> .gcs "do it wong" "don't do it wong"
04:17:26 <phenny> "do it wong" (57), "don't do it wong" (0)
04:17:37 <[bjoern]> much that explains
04:18:52 <[bjoern]> .img penis hat
04:18:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.foureyesjokeshop.com/ProductImages/penis_hat.jpg
04:18:53 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=penis%20hat
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04:20:19 <[bjoern]> scary http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/hillary_tinfoil_hat.jpg
04:22:26 <[bjoern]> "Words Together Onscreen" - http://www.tdbspecialprojects.com/
04:24:56 <[bjoern]> .gs hug my *
04:24:57 <phenny> hug my *: pant (6), girlfriend (5), soul (4), radiator (4), pillow (4)
04:25:11 <[bjoern]> .gs like to hug my *
04:25:12 <phenny> like to hug my *: friends (7), mom (6), turtles (4), girlfriend (4), pillow (3)
04:25:19 <[bjoern]> .gs you like to hug my *
04:25:20 <phenny> you like to hug my *: mew (2), bunny (2)
04:25:25 <[bjoern]> .gs i like to hug my *
04:25:26 <phenny> i like to hug my *: friends (7), pillow (5), turtles (4), mommy (3), mom (3), parents (2)
04:25:36 <[bjoern]> .gs we like to hug my *
04:25:37 <phenny> [bjoern]: no results
04:25:42 <[bjoern]> .gs likes to hug my *
04:25:43 <phenny> likes to hug my *: tummy (2), head (2)
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04:53:14 <[bjoern]> .c inch in a foot
04:53:14 <phenny> 1 foot = 12 inch
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05:22:24 <shminux> what do you want?
05:26:40 <shminux> let's see
05:29:46 <shminux> nope, not included in my access
05:30:11 <xover> Ah, thanks for checking.
05:42:10 <[bjoern]> apparently we have the IEEE Xplore / All-Society Periodicals Package (ASPP) which excludes conference proceedings and standards.
05:48:53 <xover> Oh, hang on, there's a shopping cart thingy here...
05:49:16 <[bjoern]> it's mostly for lols I would expect
05:49:46 <xover> Grrr. Which, upon checkout, asks for my IEEE login info. *sigh*
05:50:37 <[bjoern]> i think you can register for buying without becoming a member though
05:51:00 <[bjoern]> but pricing is usually lols.
05:51:01 <xover> Yeah, I'm in some kind of New User form hell right now.
05:51:22 <xover> $29 for a 5 page paper? Yeah.
05:53:02 <xover> Oh dear gods, they have a minimum length for usernames.
05:53:18 <xover> And require that you enter it in UPPER CASE.
05:53:34 <[bjoern]> use ieeeieee
05:53:49 <xover> Or AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
05:53:57 <[bjoern]> NO !s
05:54:06 <xover> good point
05:54:33 <[bjoern]> Also I'm sure they have a maximum length on the username.
05:54:37 <xover> Oh, yes, and passwords must be 8-20 chars.
05:54:47 <xover> Usernames can be 6-20, yes.
05:56:20 <xover> "The Character entered in field 'City' is not an ASCII Character"
05:56:24 <xover> No shit.
05:57:27 <xover> Yay, a credit card form at last!
05:57:50 <shminux> actually paying for it? wow
05:58:06 <shminux> go to your local uni library and photocopy it
05:58:59 <[bjoern]> Last I did that I was most disappointed with what content I had photocopied.
05:59:38 <xover> The local unilib tries very hard to prevent people from getting access to information.
05:59:39 <shminux> bummer
05:59:51 <shminux> why?
06:00:20 <xover> When you figure that out, please do let me know.
06:00:28 <[bjoern]> They like their peace and quiet, which would be destroyed if people could go there if they learn they can get things done that way.
06:00:38 <shminux> point
06:02:31 <xover> Oh god, and they have some kind of JavaScript form validation thing that keeps firing ~1s after mouseout/onBlur; just in time to remove the newly set focus from the next field.
06:02:55 <[bjoern]> They had Google engineers code it up.
06:04:50 <xover> Argh. And the username really is case sensitive; you need to enter it in upper case on the login form as well.
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07:50:28 <sbp> yo
07:50:28 <phenny> sbp: 24 May 23:53Z <nslater> tell sbp http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
07:50:30 <phenny> sbp: 03:45Z <nslater> tell sbp what. the. fuck. http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/etc/sex.6?root=emacs&view=markup
07:50:33 <phenny> sbp: 03:46Z <nslater> tell sbp i love how the emacs source code has no problems making jokes about buggary, bestiality, necrophilia, and paedophilia. talk about a progressive editor :/
07:50:34 <phenny> sbp: 03:49Z <nslater> tell sbp and by extension os x, heh
07:51:09 <_ulises> yo sbp
07:51:48 <sbp> yo _ulises!
07:51:56 <_ulises> wassa my mang?
07:52:50 <sbp> just about to check whether OS X really has sex.6
07:55:26 <sbp> yeah, it's there: /usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/sex.6
08:02:38 <_ulises> and what's that?
08:03:33 <[bjoern]> click the link.
08:06:00 <xodium> .gcs "click the link" "click here" "follow the link"
08:06:01 <phenny> "click here" (263,000,000), "click the link" (11,800,000), "follow the link" (1,110,000)
08:06:38 <[bjoern]> .gcs "pimp my click" "pimp my link" "pimp my hyper-reference"
08:06:40 <phenny> "pimp my link" (125), "pimp my click" (1), "pimp my hyper-reference" (0)
08:06:53 <xodium> .gcs "click here" "under construction"
08:06:53 <phenny> "click here" (263,000,000), "under construction" (11,600,000)
08:07:12 <[bjoern]> .gc "best viewed in"
08:07:12 <phenny> "best viewed in": 9,890,000
08:07:28 <sbp> _ulises: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/etc/sex.6?root=emacs&view=markup
08:31:04 <[bjoern]> .c 390 + 168 + 38
08:31:05 <phenny> 390 + 168 + 38 = 596
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08:49:44 <sbp> oh, I think setting LD just meant "use this value, stop complaining"
08:49:53 <sbp> with respect to the ImageMagick installation
09:02:33 <[bjoern]> yo
09:02:41 <sbp> kyo
09:02:57 <sbp> today's exciting installations:
09:02:58 <[bjoern]> not much happen since leaving
09:03:03 <sbp> * ImageMagick (again)
09:03:07 <sbp> * subversion
09:03:38 <sbp> ImageMagick won't work because MacPorts seems to be interfering with the build process
09:04:13 <[bjoern]> I tried building rakudo. fail.
09:04:16 <_ulises> sbp: you on an apple laptop?
09:04:22 <sbp> _ulises: yup
09:04:33 <_ulises> ah, wondering about the mac keyboards
09:04:36 <sbp> rakudo builds okay for me, amazingly
09:04:38 <_ulises> those thin metaly ones
09:04:41 <sbp> what about 'em?
09:04:49 <_ulises> whether they'll work on ordinary pcs, etc.
09:04:58 <[bjoern]> parrot was a smoothie though, trouble is just rakudo won't build with that, quite probably
09:04:59 <sbp> think so, haven't tested though
09:05:11 <_ulises> yeah, might just buy one
09:05:21 <sbp> they're quite cheap, £28
09:05:34 <[bjoern]> there is a rakudo addon for parrot for windows with the parrot downloads
09:05:49 <[bjoern]> EXCEPT it's just the entry with sf saying NO, LOL
09:06:33 <sbp> okay, subversion totally won't build
09:06:34 <_ulises> aye, so apparently they work: http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-44415.html
09:06:38 <_ulises> .title
09:06:38 <sbp> and it's extremely messy
09:06:38 <phenny> _ulises: Using apple USB keyboard with Linux PC? [Archive] - The macosxhints Forums
09:06:42 <realist> Is there no apt-get for mac yet?
09:06:46 <sbp> dependency chain up the wazoo etc.
09:07:10 <sbp> realist: there's port
09:07:16 <sbp> but I'm starting to not believe in it
09:07:39 <sbp> I don't use much software and yet somehow I managed to accrue 3.5 GB in /opt
09:07:49 <sbp> so I'm trying to just build whatever I need myself
09:07:54 <realist> port, like bsd style ports?
09:08:03 <[bjoern]> my mail client is that size atm
09:08:03 <realist> Or like the fortified wine?
09:08:03 <sbp> yeah. OS X is BSD based
09:08:18 <realist> ports was just a bunch of makefiles though, right?
09:08:30 <sbp> I don't know how it works
09:08:34 <sbp> .wik MacPorts
09:08:34 <phenny> "MacPorts, formerly called DarwinPorts,[1]| is a package management system that simplifies the installation of software on the Mac OS X and Darwin operating systems." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPorts
09:08:51 * realist reads wiki
09:09:11 <[bjoern]> Swhack's Good Advice of the Day: Do not learn about build systems.
09:09:58 <realist> I don't get the fascination with source distributions, build-once distribute-many
09:10:27 <[bjoern]> The fascination is usually mostly around ENOBINARIES
09:11:21 <sbp> ah, for some reason it thinks my libtool is at subversion-1.6.2/apr/libtool
09:11:25 <[bjoern]> But now that I mention it, I might just ruin my afternoon trying to build Qt on mingw again, after having found my old notes.
09:11:27 <sbp> IT IS MISTAKEN
09:11:52 * realist pretends to know what ENOBINARIES means.
09:12:05 <[bjoern]> Error, no binaries.
09:12:16 <sbp> apparently it also thinks I ought to have /usr/share/libtool
09:12:22 <sbp> IT IS MISTAKEN
09:12:45 <realist> Isn't that what the upstream distribution's build farm is for? Building binaries?
09:13:13 <sbp> we don't all have a build farm you know
09:13:20 <[bjoern]> You assume things to exist that don't.
09:13:20 <realist> It's a waste of cycles expecting every end-user to build their own
09:13:38 * _ulises goes for tea
09:13:42 <xover> Realistically speaking, not every program will be available in your distro's repos.
09:13:44 <_ulises> slow day, booooored to death
09:13:59 <realist> Just like every end-user storing the same data is a waste of spindles
09:14:24 <sbp> I don't really mind since it's only like six things
09:14:32 <sbp> and they take like five minutes each to build and install
09:14:36 <realist> xover: if it's not, either package it yourself, or wait six months
09:14:39 <sbp> what I do mind is that to build them requires Xcode
09:14:50 <sbp> which is like a 900 MB download and a 3 GB install
09:14:54 <sbp> seems a bit over-the-top to me
09:15:13 <sbp> Apple could just install binutils or whatever is needed to, you know, make programs
09:16:04 <sbp> the exception so far is subversion, of course
09:16:13 <sbp> which is just abysmal to build
09:16:32 <sbp> not that it isn't an abysmal, grotty little program after it's built too
09:16:47 <sbp> at any rate, it comes as standard on OS X 10.5
09:16:51 <sbp> but not on OS X 10.4
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09:21:16 <realist> I don't see why everyone disses subversion, is it because it forces you to actually *communicate* with collaborators, or because branching and merging is painfully slow?
09:22:26 <sbp> it lost all my data once in an fsfs database
09:22:32 <sbp> and it modifies files' mtimes
09:22:43 <sbp> both of these things are unacceptable
09:23:09 <sbp> and anyway, DVCSes seem to be more popular these days
09:23:37 <sbp> I tend to think of svn as a good natured attempt to fix the unfixable: cvs
09:26:58 <realist> Wasn't that their motto? "cvs done right" or some such...
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09:27:15 <sbp> aye
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11:16:17 <sbp> more expenses comedy
11:16:37 <sbp> the Chancellor, the person who runs the country's finances, took tax advice
11:16:56 <sbp> personal tax advice. and he used the taxpayer's money to pay for it
11:17:00 <_ulises> heh
11:20:03 <sbp> [[[
11:20:04 <sbp> The woman at the centre of the case says she was approached by church members in Paris and offered a free personality test, but she ended up spending all her savings on books, medicines and the electronic metre that is part of the paraphernalia of Scientology.
11:20:10 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8066743.stm
11:21:38 <sbp> she should've joined the Movementarians instead
11:24:15 <sbp> [[[
11:24:15 <sbp> The controversy has been rekindled because of a new exhibition in Naples to display the cross, which incidentally has itself disappeared somewhere in antiquity, leaving the figure of Christ these days hanging mid-air connected to a sheet of transparent plastic.
11:24:21 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8062309.stm
11:24:29 <sbp> disappeared quite early on, I would've thought
11:26:40 <sbp> good Italian analogy:
11:26:42 <sbp> [[[
11:26:43 <sbp> I went to Florence, where Michelangelo was raised and worked, to meet two other world-class specialists on Renaissance art, Tomasso Montanari and Francesco Caglioti.
11:26:43 <sbp>
11:26:43 <sbp> When it comes to this statue, it is like comparing a Ford with a Ferrari
11:26:44 <sbp> Professor Tomasso Montanari
11:26:46 <sbp> I asked each, in turn, if they thought Michelangelo had carved the statue.
11:26:48 <sbp> "No" and "no" came back the stereophonic replies.
11:26:50 <sbp> "When it comes to this statue, it is like comparing a Ford with a Ferrari," Professor Montanari said.
11:26:52 <sbp> ]]]
11:27:34 <sbp> (sorry, didn't see the quote figure had been copied out too)
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12:16:13 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's jeffarch!
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12:37:57 <sbp> clsn: ping
12:39:02 <[bjoern]> any and all difference, or any and all differences?
12:41:42 <sbp> latter
12:42:19 <[bjoern]> Good, I used the former to keep the line from wrapping, but now I've got another character of space
12:51:55 <[bjoern]> my abstract has too much space to the right, need three lines of 72 chars each...
12:52:24 * [bjoern] 's updating http://www.websitedev.de/ietf/draft-hoehrmann-id-collation-00.txt
12:52:43 <[bjoern]> after some pondering i think I'm going with i;codepoint now
12:54:18 <sbp> what's the point of an identity collation?
12:55:04 <[bjoern]> Well if you have an interface that lets you compare strings based on some collation
12:55:14 <[bjoern]> and you want two strings to be equal if and only if they are identical
12:55:17 <[bjoern]> then this comes in handy.
12:56:29 <sbp> ah
12:56:37 <[bjoern]> This memo describes the "i;codepoint" collation. Character strings
12:56:37 <[bjoern]> are compared based on the Unicode scalar values of the characters.
12:56:37 <[bjoern]> The collation supports equality, substring, and ordering operations.
12:56:41 <[bjoern]> would fit nicely
12:57:20 <sbp> It produces usable results where further information is unavailable.
12:57:20 <sbp> In that it is suitable as default collation for many applications.
12:57:22 <sbp> ain't no good
12:57:45 <[bjoern]> I had to cut the "for many apps" part
12:58:02 <[bjoern]> as the new name makes things wrap differently
12:58:09 <[bjoern]> anyway, what bad bout it plz
12:59:42 <sbp> it's not level
13:00:09 <sbp> you should pick words that justify
13:00:48 <[bjoern]> you mean in the version above it's one char too short?
13:01:10 <[bjoern]> current ver is
13:01:12 <[bjoern]> The i;codepoint collation operates on Unicode strings and treats any
13:01:12 <[bjoern]> and all differences between two strings as significant. Ordering of
13:01:12 <[bjoern]> different strings is determined by the Unicode scalar values of the
13:01:12 <[bjoern]> characters. It produces usable results where further information is
13:01:12 <[bjoern]> unavailable. In that it is suitable as default collation.
13:01:31 <[bjoern]> that has the .s level, but obviously not justified.
13:02:46 <sbp> hmm
13:05:28 <sbp> best I can do is this:
13:05:28 <sbp> --
13:05:29 <sbp> The i;codepoint collation operates on Unicode strings and treats any
13:05:29 <sbp> and all differences between two strings as significant. Ordering of
13:05:29 <sbp> different strings is determined by the Unicode scalar values of each
13:05:29 <sbp> character. It produces usable results whenas further information is
13:05:30 <sbp> unavailable. In that it is suitable as default collation.
13:05:32 <sbp> --
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13:08:06 <[bjoern]> sneaky, but reads a bit worse. each suggests more independence than there is
13:08:16 <sbp> phenny: tell jsled I've been using dircproxy for years, but I recently switched to znc. as far as I can tell, it's quite a bit better
13:08:17 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
13:08:23 <sbp> each: yeah...
13:09:51 <[bjoern]> whenas?!
13:11:52 <sbp> yeah, it's an old word
13:12:00 <sbp> .w whenas
13:12:01 <phenny> whenas — adverb: 1. (archaic) When; at the time (which)
13:12:20 <sbp> see, old words come in handy!
13:12:22 <sbp> http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/282/scieno1pb7.jpg
13:12:35 <[bjoern]> Yeah I already looked that up. Initially I thought making characters singular made it line up, but the line was too short to begin with
13:13:01 <sbp> shame every isn't spelled evry
13:13:08 <sbp> .thesaurus every
13:13:09 <phenny> sbp: each, all, every single, every one
13:20:16 <sbp> [bjoern]: two options:
13:20:18 <sbp> 1)
13:20:19 <sbp> The i;codepoint collation operates on strings of Unicode characters
13:20:19 <sbp> and treats any differences between two strings as significant. The
13:20:19 <sbp> order of strings to be collated is determined by the Unicode scalar
13:20:19 <sbp> values of the characters. It produces usable results where further
13:20:19 <sbp> information is unavailable, and so is suitable as default collation.
13:20:27 <sbp> 2)
13:20:27 <sbp> The i;codepoint collation operates on strings of Unicode characters
13:20:27 <sbp> and treats any differences between two strings as significant. The
13:20:27 <sbp> order of strings to be collated is determined by the Unicode scalar
13:20:29 <sbp> values of the characters. Where further information is unavailable
13:20:31 <sbp> it gives usable results, making it suitable as a default collation.
13:20:33 <sbp>
13:21:38 <sbp> drawback: doesn't use whenas
13:23:13 <[bjoern]> .gc "We are all in the same boat." "Until we throw you over board."
13:23:13 <phenny> "We are all in the same boat." "Until we throw you over board.": 0
13:25:05 <[bjoern]> I've stored those away to torment myself and the rfc editor during auth48
13:25:30 <sbp> excellent
13:36:31 <[bjoern]> Subject: McCane died of heart attack, Body: Tired to find a men's desire rising goods in your region? We deliver fast and worldwide!
13:37:19 <[bjoern]> I had to think about it a bit, but they are selling ... porn pills, right?
13:37:57 <sbp> raise up your men's desire raising with their goods, yeah
13:42:33 <cre8radix> heya
13:42:38 <[bjoern]> nuheya
13:47:10 <_ulises> yo cre8radix
13:52:13 <[bjoern]> Oh there's a monkey in my closet and he's stealing all my robes...
13:53:18 <[bjoern]> Do you have food, or does food have you?
13:55:48 <[bjoern]> .wik râmen
13:55:48 <phenny> "Ramen (Katakana: ラーメン; Kanji: 拉麺, rāmen|?|, IPA: [ˈɾaːmɛn], listen (help·info)) is a Japanese noodle dish that originated in China." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Râmen
14:01:10 <[bjoern]> .gc "Don't do that to your booze"
14:01:10 <phenny> "Don't do that to your booze": 0
14:01:24 <cre8radix> _ulises!
14:01:37 <_ulises> cre8radix!
14:01:41 <cre8radix> :)
14:01:51 <[bjoern]> get a room
14:01:58 <_ulises> we are in a room
14:02:32 <[bjoern]> I was talking about a nice tight space ten feet under the surface.
14:02:50 <_ulises> do you know something we don't? nuclear air attack maybe?
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14:08:19 <[bjoern]> DONT FLASH THE TOILET
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14:11:51 <[bjoern]> .gc "dum dede dum dede dum dede dum"
14:11:52 <phenny> "dum dede dum dede dum dede dum": 3
14:11:56 <[bjoern]> .g "dum dede dum dede dum dede dum"
14:11:56 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.douglasbowie.ca/documents/DouglasBowie_RopesEnd_FirstScene.pdf
14:12:11 <[bjoern]> .g "dum dede dum dede dum dede dum" -ropes
14:12:12 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.douglasbowie.ca/documents/DouglasBowie_RopesEnd_FirstScene.pdf
14:12:18 <[bjoern]> gfail
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15:04:59 <clsn> sbp: ?
15:19:01 <cre8radix> re:movement
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15:21:45 <Monty2> hi jeffarch
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15:46:58 <sbp> clsn: do you remember a t-shirt site with the classical elements on a shirt?
15:47:08 <sbp> clsn: thought you showed it to me, but maybe it was someone else
15:47:46 <clsn> It was me.
15:47:58 <clsn> Not remembering where it was yet. But it'll come to me.
15:48:21 <clsn> http://imagebin.ca/view/Ptspg0uP.html <-- my latest version of open-source T-shirt, now with pretty background. What do you think?
15:48:54 <clsn> http://controversy.wearscience.com/design/elements/
15:49:46 <clsn> That what you were after?
15:57:01 <sbp> clsn: does the postscript also print its own source over the top?
15:57:12 <sbp> and yes! that's the one! thanks
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16:12:20 <clsn> sbp: yes, of course.
16:12:23 <clsn> That's the whole point.
16:12:37 <clsn> The postscript prints out exactly what you see there. It's self-reproducing.
16:13:55 <clsn> That way you can't have the shirt without having the source. Making it a true *open-source* t-shirt.
16:24:32 * clsn thinks that is of great coolness.
16:26:50 <kpreid> You're not distributing the build tools though.
16:27:00 <kpreid> I don't see anything there about how it ends up on the t-shirt :)
16:27:08 <clsn> Neither does most free software.
16:27:47 <clsn> And of course, if you have the shirt you have the source... not necessarily the other way 'round. The source for GNU emacs won't help you without the silicon either.
16:37:15 <sbp> .title http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2009-May/000242.html
16:37:16 <phenny> sbp: [html5] Microdata and Meta
16:37:24 <sbp> .title http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2009-May/000243.html
16:37:24 <phenny> sbp: [html5] Absolute Pixels in HTML 5
16:37:59 <clsn> sbp: I would not deliver an open-source shirt that only gave you PART of itself. I have standards.
16:38:01 <sbp> I was going to post a third, but I decided it was a CSS question
16:38:08 <sbp> clsn: hehe, okay...
16:38:29 <sbp> well the shirt would still be complete if you printed it over the top yourself
16:38:38 <sbp> unless you're really, really worried about perfect alignment
16:39:07 <clsn> Yeah, but that would miss the whole point. :)
16:39:19 <sbp> what does it say on the back?
16:39:25 <clsn> "675.522px, for example, is a quarter of a radian."????? Wow. I bet that's right. But that's fucked up.
16:39:32 <clsn> I haven't thought of a thing to put on the back.
16:39:35 <sbp> yeah, it's definitely right
16:39:42 <sbp> see http://inamidst.com/stuff/notes/csspx
16:39:50 <sbp> there's a form on the bottom that works stuff out for you
16:40:28 <clsn> How the hell did that happen?
16:40:40 <sbp> hmm, gross stupidity I'd say
16:40:47 <sbp> I mean it's a really, really, REALLY bad choice of a name
16:41:07 <sbp> like if they'd called em "mm"
16:41:16 <clsn> Oh wow, it really SAYS that in the spec? What you quote? Oh man that's just asking for trouble.
16:41:22 <sbp> yeah...
16:41:47 <sbp> the best part is that the CSS 2.0 reference pixel is a difference size!
16:41:59 <sbp> and as far as I know, there's no way to tell the difference between a 2.0 and a 2.1 stylesheet
16:42:05 <sbp> *different size
16:42:30 <clsn> That is so wildly fucked up.
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16:44:21 <clsn> Of course you can't get 180°. The screen is still an ell from your eye, it can't possibly take up half of the sphere centered thereon.
16:45:42 <sbp> unless it were infinite width
16:46:04 <sbp> bet Rupert Murdoch's got one of them
16:46:08 <clsn> Not even then, I venture to say.
16:46:20 <clsn> Look. I'm 28in from an infinite plane.
16:46:42 <sbp> where's the on button?
16:46:52 <clsn> I can still draw a line... OK, I can't. Whatever.
16:47:25 <sbp> you people, trying to divide your transcardinals with your cardinals
16:47:31 <sbp> CAN'T BE DONE!
16:47:42 <clsn> I didn't know it was impossible when I did it.
16:47:46 <sbp> hehe
16:47:49 <clsn> .gc "I didn't know it was impossible when I did it."
16:47:49 <phenny> "I didn't know it was impossible when I did it.": 222
16:47:58 <clsn> (it's a great line. words to live by)
16:48:19 <sbp> who first said it? Oscar Wilde?
16:48:27 <clsn> It's kind of the story of Linux too. Linus didn't know it was impossible when he did it. Everyone else knew it was impossible, so they didn't try.
16:48:28 <clsn> Dunno.
16:49:59 <sbp> oldest use I can find is 1984:
16:50:00 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/net.unix/msg/c1a189fe8df97775?hl=en
16:50:43 <[bjoern]> quick somebody kill sbp
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16:51:37 <sbp> you can't *prove* that I posted those messages
16:52:08 <sbp> I submit that you merely want to believe that I did because you hate me and you like nightmares
16:52:42 <[bjoern]> What a meaningless statement. Of course I can, and you can have some of your soulless minions claim how that does not prove it.
16:52:51 <[bjoern]> But that does not mean I haven't proven it.
16:53:08 <sbp> if it were meaningless, why rebutt it?
16:53:28 * sbp deploys superlogix
16:53:29 <[bjoern]> It is with meaning, just not useful meaning.
16:53:44 <sbp> so, "What a crapmeaning statement."?
16:53:44 <Monty2> "defying levity"
16:53:58 <sbp> .gc "your crapmeaning statement is defying levity"
16:53:59 <phenny> "your crapmeaning statement is defying levity": 0
16:54:29 <sbp> somebody's going to gc one of the random bizarre statements we gc in here one of these days, and they're going to shit themselves when they see a result
16:54:35 <[bjoern]> Monty2 dating Levithan again?
16:54:38 <Monty2> UTF-8 id works. I managed to tell nslater is true
16:54:44 <kpreid> I would assume that the intent of defining px that way was 'we want something backwards-compatible with current layout notions that doesn't break when we get zillion-pixels screens'
16:54:47 <sbp> nslater is true? wow
16:55:15 <sbp> kpreid: the *idea* is fine. the *name* is beyond perplexing
16:55:31 <kpreid> sbp: it's for the bonehead deezyners
16:55:35 <kpreid> :)
16:55:59 <kpreid> the idea being 'once we have twice the (linear) resolution, start rendering images at 2x by default'
16:56:32 <sbp> I'd have gone with look-like-pixels-small-like-pixels-taste-like-pixels-but-brother-those-are-not-pixels
16:56:41 <sbp> *smell. small is good too of course
16:57:26 <sbp> 2x by default: then why not just say that in the spec?
16:57:28 <[bjoern]> .gc "too small pixels"
16:57:29 <phenny> "too small pixels": 39
16:57:37 <sbp> "multiply up if you want, but be consistent, jerkwads"
17:00:01 <kpreid> I look forward to the day when we have sufficient screen resolution that integer multiples are not especially interesting
17:00:29 <sbp> even if said screen resolution is achieved by using bioluminescent bacterial slavefarms?
17:00:56 <[bjoern]> especially then.
17:01:11 <kpreid> Well, I wouldn't like that condition. But that's not *because* it has high resolution.
17:01:24 <sbp> if you get a black pixel, you just crack out the biowhip
17:01:50 <sbp> biowhip sounds like a yoghurt icecream for fitness fanatics
17:02:01 <[bjoern]> made from human leather.
17:02:03 <kpreid> .gc probiowhip
17:02:04 <phenny> probiowhip: 0
17:02:38 <kpreid> speaking of webandCSSythings I wrote http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Dragon_curve#SVG
17:03:04 <[bjoern]> .gc "please didn't"
17:03:05 <phenny> "please didn't": 1,080
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17:04:40 <[bjoern]> I be tired elsewhere.
17:04:40 <Monty2> ask for trouble.
17:05:29 <clsn> I tried to do fractal SVG once using self-inclusion, but it was too smart for that.
17:09:44 <sbp> in the old days, we used to make fractals with straightedge and compass...
17:10:14 * kpreid adds an image
17:11:09 <kpreid> clsn: a shame, it should have a DWIM limit at invisibility :)
17:11:49 <sbp> yeah, when it starts to render subpixel sized units
17:11:57 <sbp> depending on your definition of pixel, of course
17:12:15 <clsn> Like the complex blazons I started rendering... :)
17:12:31 <sbp> what was the name of that Microsoft ZUI thing?
17:12:58 <sbp> you could zoom tons of levels and it was entirely smooth
17:14:28 <sbp> ...ahahaha
17:14:36 <sbp> Moe just dried his eyes with a lost Shakespeare play
17:14:45 <sbp> and then about two seconds later I realised it wasn't one of the lost ones!
17:15:03 <sbp> but, in a way...
17:15:11 <sbp> (it was TTNK)
17:17:21 <xover> .wik DeepZoom
17:17:22 <phenny> "Deep Zoom is an implementation of the Seadragon technology for use in Microsoft Silverlight applications." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepZoom
17:17:39 <kpreid> TwoWord TradeMarks
17:21:47 <nsh> .wik climacteric
17:21:47 <phenny> "Climacteric (astrology)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climacteric
17:21:52 <nsh> .ety climacteric
17:21:52 <phenny> "1601, from L. climactericus, from Gk. klimakterikos 'of a critical period,' from klimakter 'rung of a ladder' (see climax)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=climacteric
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17:26:31 <nsh> so, whurp swhack?
17:26:47 * nsh is fomenting intelligent discussion on facebook
17:26:48 <nsh> for lulz
17:28:54 <sbp> nsh: I tried to find the origin of a popular quote
17:29:37 <nsh> which teh quote?
17:29:49 <nsh> oh, thought it was impossible until?
17:30:02 <sbp> yeah, just that one
17:30:46 <nsh> (incidentally, i spent hours looking for the spelling of the word foment, before finally deciding i'd imagined the entire thing, a few weeks ago
17:30:58 <nsh> until i finally saw someone else use it
17:31:04 <nsh> and realised there's no 'r'
17:31:14 <nsh> stupid phonetic garden path
17:31:33 <nsh> any luck with origins?
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17:33:16 <nsh> .ety malefic
17:33:16 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "malefic". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=malefic
17:33:20 <nsh> .oed malefic
17:33:21 <phenny> malefic (ety. ad. L. malefic-us (also malif...) * A. a. Productive of disaster or evil; baleful in effect or purpose. Said esp. of stellar influences and magical arts or practices., * B. n., * a. Astrol. A malefic aspect or body.
17:34:00 <sbp> nope, doing something else now anyway
17:34:14 <nsh> that is WHUTPLS
17:34:24 <sbp> looking for that piccie of Shakespeare's wife
17:34:24 * nsh watched once upon a time in america last night
17:34:27 <nsh> was good film
17:34:38 <sbp> what's it about?
17:34:48 <nsh> gangster jews
17:35:00 <nsh> piccie? did they get her to lie face-down in very dense lawn for three weeks in the summer?
17:35:24 <nsh> leaving a yellow rendition of her poetconsortnessness?
17:36:06 <sbp> ah, SS CDL p.92
17:36:37 <sbp> well there's a parody of Jonson's lines on the Droeshout engraving
17:36:48 <sbp> the famous engraving at the front of the first folio
17:36:52 <sbp> .img Shakespeare Droeshout
17:36:53 <phenny> sbp: http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/images/2005/05/24/shakespeare_droeshout_292x352.jpg
17:36:54 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=Shakespeare%20Droeshout
17:36:59 <sbp> yeah, that one
17:37:15 <sbp> and someone drew Shakespeare's wife in one of the folios
17:37:22 <sbp> and the parody starts:
17:37:26 <nsh> ah
17:37:30 <sbp> This figure, that tho there seest put
17:37:37 <sbp> It was for Shakespear's Consort cut
17:37:43 <sbp> *thou
17:38:25 <sbp> 1708, almost certainly too late to actually be a likeness
17:38:30 <sbp> though it is said to be a tracing
17:38:59 <nsh> ah, i recalls this from beforetiems discussions
17:39:02 <nsh> brb, dinner
17:42:29 * clsn puts the self-rep shirt on cafepress.com/openshirt
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17:59:36 <nsh> sbp, just listened to a good r4 show: museum of curiosities
17:59:41 <nsh> you should maek list it
18:01:26 <nsh> also, had no idea Matt Ridley the science journalist was Matt Ridley the Northern Rock chairman [ex]
18:01:33 <nsh> fucking curveball that one
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19:01:01 <deltab> hey sbp
19:01:21 <deltab> hey sbp!
19:01:52 * deltab badgers sbp
19:02:02 <deltab> Springwatch!
19:02:42 <sbp> deltab: oh yeah, just caught it. thanks!
19:02:51 <sbp> just enough to see that Bill Oddie is ill
19:03:00 <sbp> though I'd heard that he had fallen out with Kate
19:03:16 <nsh> YOU HAS PENDING WHONKS NEXT DOOR KTHX
19:03:22 <sbp> glad they chose Chris Packham to replace him, at least
19:03:37 <sbp> obviously it's impossible to replace Bill Oddie like for like
19:03:48 <sbp> but very good second choice
19:04:29 <sbp> Gordon Buchanan was probably the only other plausible choice
19:04:41 <sbp> or promoting Simon King to main presenter
19:05:01 <deltab> huh, Channel 4 News today was only 4 minutes
19:05:09 <sbp> probably censored all the rest
19:05:16 <deltab> heh
19:06:28 <sbp> good seal pix
19:07:29 <sbp> hey, a lapwing
19:10:18 <deltab> heh
19:11:30 <sbp> news sources don't mention any fallout
19:11:41 <sbp> just that Bill needs to recharge his batteries
19:14:47 <sbp> .wik Goshawk
19:14:47 <phenny> "The Goshawk (pronounced /ˈɡɒs.hɔːk/, from OE. góshafoc 'goose-hawk'), Accipiter gentilis, is a medium-large bird of prey in the family Accipitridae, which also includes other diurnal raptors, such as eagles, buzzards and harriers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goshawk
19:20:13 <deltab> Essex badgers!
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19:27:11 <sbp> dude must have an enormous garden
19:34:07 <nsh> .wik rebar
19:34:08 <phenny> "A rebar, or reinforcing bar, is a common steel bar, and is commonly used in reinforced concrete and reinforced masonry structures." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebar
19:34:14 <nsh> oh, boring
19:34:31 <nsh> i thought i'd be made of hobbits or at least some middle-earth ethnic group
19:43:23 <xover> .c 40 shillings in punds
19:43:24 <phenny> xover: Sorry, no result.
19:43:33 <xover> .c 40 shillings in GBP
19:43:33 <phenny> xover: Sorry, no result.
19:43:38 <xover> .c 40s in GBP
19:43:39 <phenny> xover: Sorry, no result.
19:43:44 <xover> Useless.
19:45:41 <deltab> xover: £2
19:46:41 <xover> ta
19:47:01 <xover> WOuld you happen to have the conversion from 1601 to 2009 as well?
19:49:47 <deltab> “In the United Kingdom, the shilling was a coin used from the reign of Henry VII until decimalisation in 1971. Before decimalisation there were twenty shillings to the pound and twelve pence to the shilling, and thus 240 pence to the pound”
19:50:54 <deltab> the shilling is no longer used, but its value would be 1/20 pounds, i.e. 5p
19:58:20 <deltab> sbp: rocket-powered stoat?
19:59:15 <sbp> that's why the tip of its tail is black
20:01:38 <nsh> phenny, en fi "disgust"?
20:01:39 <phenny> nsh: "inhoa" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:07:42 <nsh> phenny, en fi "shock"?
20:07:43 <phenny> nsh: "sokki" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
21:00:03 <sbp> .c 6 + 6 + 10 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4
21:00:03 <phenny> 6 + 6 + 10 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 = 44
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21:13:38 <nsh> phenny, fi en " kyseenalaistaa"?
21:13:38 <phenny> nsh: "question" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
21:26:45 <sbp> offs
21:26:48 <sbp> 'night!
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22:53:56 <Monty2> Thank goodness, clsn is back!
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