Swhack! 30 May 2009
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01:39:53 <nsh> phenny, ask clsn if he can buy something on ebay for me as shipping outside america adds ~$100 to the price despite the item weighing 25 grams (will pay in advance desired)
01:39:54 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
01:40:33 <nsh> phenny, tell clsn http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/54-Channel-Bluetooth-GPS-Data-Logger-Key-Chain-Tracker_W0QQitemZ190310106677QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGPS_Devices?hash=item2c4f5dc635&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A200
01:40:34 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
01:42:11 <bancus> Interesting that the idem is on .co.uk.
01:42:12 <phenny> bancus: 28 May 19:27Z <sbp> ask bancus what the djuno debate is
01:42:31 <nsh> i started at .co.uk
01:42:34 <bancus> phenny: Tell sbp that I have no idea. djuno is the lojban predicate for knowing.
01:42:58 <nsh> probably cryptophilosophic quiddity then
01:43:12 <nsh> heh, quiddity isn't in my wordsfile
01:43:13 <bancus> Well, I don't pay much attention to lojbanistan outside of IRC.
01:43:22 * nsh nods
01:43:37 <bancus> So there could be some massive debate raging and as long as no one mentions it on IRC, I'd have no idea.
01:44:23 <nsh> i take that attitude to popular culture
01:45:10 <nsh> i should have said "approach" rather than attitude; been awake for lots of hours :-/
01:45:51 * bancus searches google, fines some mailing lists posts from 2001 that mention the term "djuno debate"
01:46:55 <nsh> sbp's current-affairs division is devoutly anachronistic
01:47:25 <bancus> Seems to have something to do with whether you can use "djuno" to "know" something that isn't true.
01:47:31 <bancus> Which I thought had been solves some time ago.
01:47:36 <nsh> heh
01:47:51 * nsh doesn't start
01:47:56 <bancus> Well.
01:48:09 <bancus> It has to do with the fact that "djuno" isn't exactly the english word "know".
01:49:21 <nsh> so i'd imagine
01:49:29 <nsh> what are the differences?
01:50:06 <bancus> That in English, you can't say that "John knows that the world is flat."
01:51:02 <nsh> speak for yourself :-)
01:51:19 <bancus> But you could say "la djan djuno le du'u le terdi cu plita"
01:51:32 <bancus> Well, you can say it, but you wouldn't if you knew John's knowing to be wrong.
01:51:40 <bancus> You'd say "John believes that..."
01:52:03 <bancus> If you said "knows", you'd probably inflect it some how to indicate that it's other than true.
01:52:37 <nsh> right
01:53:02 <bancus> So such distinction exists for "djuno"
01:53:26 <bancus> "la djan djuno le du'u le terdi cu plita" could totally be true, even if "le terdi cu plita" is false.
01:53:27 <nsh> whereas, djuno represents John's state of knowledge in reference to himself?
01:53:34 <bancus> Yes.
01:53:37 <nsh> but this is inevitable
01:53:44 <bancus> It has to do with certainty, AFAICT.
01:53:51 <bancus> There's also birti "to be certain of"
01:53:54 <bancus> or krici "to believe"
01:54:07 <nsh> because lojban sentences are designed to be resolvable without reference to externalities
01:54:17 <bancus> They are?
01:54:26 <bancus> Since when?
01:54:40 <bancus> Almost every Lojban sentence ever uttered needs some kind of context to be sensical.
01:55:24 <nsh> true, but if the truth of "la djan djuno le du'u le terdi cu plita" depended on knowledge of the world's flatness, wouldn't it make determining well-formedness intractable?
01:55:40 <nsh> s/true,/granted,/
01:55:51 <bancus> There's a different between well-formedness and truth.
01:56:01 <nsh> yes quite, my bbad
01:56:04 <bancus> The two are, in fact, quite orthogonal.
01:56:15 <nsh> yeah
01:57:09 <nsh> hmm, then perhaps it is an arbitrary decision to have djuno reference only john's knowledge-according-to-john
01:57:26 <bancus> Well, there's a place in djuno for the epistemology.
01:57:35 <nsh> undoubtedly
01:57:42 <bancus> Rarely used, though.
01:57:43 <deltab> yeah, and people were arguing both for and against, since the definition didn't specify
01:57:55 <bancus> Largely I think because no one knows how to fill it.
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01:58:34 <deltab> so did it get resolved, can you tell?
01:58:38 <bancus> Dunno.
01:58:44 <bancus> I never even knew there was a debate.
01:58:57 <deltab> from the message you've found, I mean
01:58:58 <bancus> I always just learned it as "djuno is not the same as English know".
01:59:01 <deltab> ^messages
01:59:03 <bancus> Doesn't look like it.
01:59:19 <deltab> not the same in what way?
01:59:34 <bancus> In that a person can djuno something that isn't true.
01:59:43 <bancus> But not know something that isn't true.
02:01:43 <bancus> Unless you're speaking sarcastically.
02:01:56 <bancus> And usually I find it as "John just *knows* that..."
04:06:41 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp http://planet.swhack.com/ is down (yes, I know crschmidt runs it, but he's not here and you have more of the interest in following up)
04:06:41 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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05:21:25 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp Note that kpreid did not ask you for a perfectly reasonable excuse, but to get busy.
05:21:26 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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06:53:15 <nsh> .
07:32:36 <nsh> .c 16.9 USD in EUR
07:32:37 <phenny> 16.9 U.S. dollars = 11.9561372 Euros
07:32:37 <Monty2> "you"
07:34:16 <nsh> .c 60 grams in ounces
07:34:17 <phenny> 60 grams = 2.11643772 ounces
08:46:03 <nsh> aaa
08:46:11 <nsh> keyboard just farted fail all over my xchats
08:46:21 <nsh> how do you undetach windows?
08:46:57 <nsh> gorrit
08:47:38 <nsh> davisp, did you reply? keyfarts cleared the buffer :-/
08:47:48 <nsh> monty say tings
08:47:50 <Monty2> They say that you break FTP mates ;)
09:22:35 <sbp> [[[
09:22:35 <sbp> The Tories have pledged to withdraw from the EPP-ED grouping, which consists of all the major centre-right parties within the EU. Instead, Cameron will establish a new group, principally with Poland's deeply conservative Law and Justice party, whose leaders have banned gay rights marches. It will also include the Czech ODS party, whose founder, Václav Klaus, disputes that global warming is man-made.
09:22:41 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/29/david-cameron-european-union-grandees
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09:38:59 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] expenses row MP Bill Cash: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45838000/jpg/_45838978_000181122-1.jpg and http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45838000/jpg/_45838979_000181120-1.jpg - load them both and keep flicking between the two!
09:38:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
09:40:02 <nsh> ON IT
09:40:24 <nsh> this is probably worth morph-tool and animated-gif
09:40:42 <nsh> and some kind of background of rainbows vomiting rainbows
09:40:51 <nsh> which reminds me, need to check that site again!
09:41:22 <sbp> phenny: tell jessica drunk girl is a star! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2008/05/paper_monitor_422.shtml
09:41:22 <nsh> http://www.rainbowpuke.com/
09:41:22 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jessica is around.
09:42:03 <nsh> oh man, i forgot how awesome these are
09:42:18 <nsh> every single one of my future presentations is going to have a rainbow-puking-rainbow slide
09:42:59 <nsh> and if anyone durst raise the finger of objection, t'will be enlodged sphictward rapturously
09:47:47 <sbp> nsh:
09:47:49 <sbp> There was a young lady... tut, tut!
09:47:49 <sbp> So you think that you're in for some smut?
09:47:49 <sbp> Some five-line crescendo
09:47:49 <sbp> Or lewd innuendo?
09:47:50 <sbp> Well, you're wrong. This is anything but.
09:47:52 <sbp> — Stanley J. Sharpless
09:48:12 <nsh> PLUSPLUS I SAY PLUS PLUS
09:48:21 <nsh> oh, lemme copy you something from this book
09:52:06 <nsh> [[[
09:52:06 <nsh> Stay your rude steps, or o'er your feet invade
09:52:06 <nsh> The Muses' haunts, ye sons of War and Trade
09:52:06 <nsh> Nor you, ye legion fiends of Church and Law
09:52:06 <nsh> Pollute these pages with unhallow'd paw!
09:52:07 <nsh> Debased, corrupted, grovelling, and confin'd
09:52:09 <nsh> No definitions touch your senseless mind;
09:52:11 <nsh> To you no Postulates prefer their claims
09:52:13 <nsh> No ardent axioms your dull souls inflame;
09:52:15 <nsh> For you no Tangents touch, no Angles meet
09:52:17 <nsh> No Circles join in osculatin sweet!
09:52:19 <nsh> ]]] -John Hookham Frere, George Canning, George Ellis
09:53:30 <sbp> .w osculatin
09:53:32 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for osculatin.
09:53:35 <sbp> .oed osculatin
09:53:36 <phenny> osculatin (no ety.)...)
09:53:45 <sbp> whatiswordpls?
09:54:08 <nsh> .oed osculate
09:54:09 <phenny> osculate (ety. f. L. oscul-um + -ate2.)...) * Furnished with oscula: see osculum 3., * 1. trans. To kiss, salute with contact of the lips; intr. to kiss each other. rare., * 2. trans. To bring into close contact or union.
09:54:15 <sbp> kthx
09:54:15 <nsh> .wik Oscula
09:54:18 <phenny> "The osculum is an excretory structure in the living sponge, a large opening to the outside through which the current of water exits after passing through the spongocoel." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osculum
09:54:20 <nsh> also: http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2009/03/beho_we_watched.php
09:54:25 <sbp> oh the spongocoel
09:54:38 * nsh notes to call someone a spongocoel today
09:54:47 <sbp> oh nice
09:54:51 <sbp> also
09:54:53 <sbp> Prince Hamlet thought Uncle a traitor
09:54:53 <sbp> For having it off with his Mater
09:54:53 <sbp> Revenge Dad or not?
09:54:53 <sbp> That's the gist of the plot,
09:54:53 <sbp> And he did — nine soliloquies later.
09:54:54 <sbp> — Stanley J. Sharpless
09:54:57 <nsh> coel is a diphthong, right?
09:55:07 <sbp> yeah, pretty sure
09:55:13 <sbp> actually, no
09:55:17 <sbp> just an ee
09:55:22 <sbp> ceeeeele
09:55:26 <nsh> meh, i'm diphthonging it
09:55:28 <sbp> heheh
09:55:31 <nsh> RIGHT IN THE KISSER
09:55:49 <nsh> i might ask a random girl if she likes diphthonging today
09:55:56 <nsh> actually, that will probably not go down well with finngirl
09:56:46 <sbp> no
09:57:10 <nsh> lol at people saying "it might be photoshop", re: the amoebae pictures
09:57:24 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: It’s a single cell, it’s the size of a grape, and it propels itself across the ocean floor"
09:58:34 <nsh> oh, story is dec08, but still coel:
09:58:43 <nsh> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203190030.htm
09:58:48 <nsh> .title
09:58:49 <phenny> nsh: Rolling 'Sea Grape' Rocks The Fossil Record
09:59:22 * nsh goes for to wash the hairs pon his scalp
10:04:07 <sbp> [[[
10:04:08 <sbp> But after sucking up a few with the tools aboard the NOAA research submarine Johnson-Sea-Link and having a look, they figured the soft, nondescript blobs were simply some kind of elaborate poop. "We called them doo-doo balls," Johnsen said.
10:04:12 <sbp> ]]]
10:04:25 <nsh> heh heh
10:04:34 <nsh> oh yeahm, s
10:04:36 <nsh> sh
10:04:38 <nsh> shower
10:04:40 <nsh> chore
10:04:41 <nsh> back
10:04:41 <nsh>
10:04:44 <nsh> later. al
10:04:44 <nsh> s
10:04:44 <nsh> o
10:04:51 <nsh> stupid eeeboard
10:04:53 <nsh> :-/
10:05:12 <sbp> oh man:
10:05:13 <sbp> [[[
10:05:14 <sbp> It's possible, Johnsen said, that they're sort of eating and rolling at the same time, pulling new sediment in on one side, and pushing "pseudo feces" out on the other, leaving the distinctive trail.
10:05:14 <sbp> ]]]
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10:55:47 <sbp> .title http://alarmingdevelopment.org/?p=209
10:55:49 <phenny> sbp: Alarming Development : What if Smalltalk were invented today?
10:57:13 <xover> .c 35 * 57
10:57:14 <phenny> 35 * 57 = 1 995
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11:26:42 <sbp> .w sowter
11:26:44 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for sowter.
11:26:45 <sbp> .oed sowter
11:26:47 <phenny> sowter (no ety.)...) * obs. form of souter.
11:26:51 <sbp> .oed souter
11:26:51 <phenny> souter (ety. OE. s?tere, ad. L. sūtor sho...) * 1. A maker or mender of shoes; a shoemaker or cobbler. Also spec. ‘one who makes brogues or shoes of horse-leather’ (Jamieson, 1808). In the 16th and 17th cent. the word is freq. used with depreciatory force, esp. to denote a type of workman of...
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12:26:08 <Monty2> it's cre8radix!
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12:48:13 <Monty2> it's Arnia!
12:49:21 <Arnia> It's Monty2!
12:49:22 <Monty2> pink piss!
12:49:22 <phenny> Arnia: 29 May 20:23Z <nslater> ask Arnia if he's seen google wave
12:49:43 <Arnia> phenny, tell nslater no...
12:49:44 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
12:50:03 <Arnia> Monty2: if your piss is pink, I'd see a doctor immediately
12:50:05 <Monty2> fridge is +native +inline will work:
12:51:05 <kpreid> Monty2: I'd rather not have any web technology in my fridge, thank yo
12:51:07 <kpreid> u
12:51:08 <kpreid> .
12:51:09 <Monty2> "Drag Me to you residing in RL yet they are reducing, it can't IRC colour socks
12:51:41 <kpreid> socks
12:52:19 <kpreid> ah, but we're +c so you didn't see that.
12:52:20 <kpreid> boo.
12:55:13 <sbp> no we're not, are we?
12:55:23 <kpreid> did you see my color?
12:55:34 <sbp> hmm, no. and we are +c, weird
12:55:58 <kpreid> 1I say again: s2o3c4k5s7!
12:56:56 <sbp> damn right
13:06:29 * Arnia lobs a nuke at kpreid
13:06:36 <Arnia> Nukes definitely need to be lobbed
13:06:41 <Arnia> possibly lobed too
13:06:43 * kpreid colorizes it
13:07:15 * kpreid colors outside the lines, claims the delineated regions ought to be radial categories
13:07:21 <sbp> bwahaha
13:08:26 <Arnia> Radial warfare
13:10:18 <kpreid> yeah. I once heard a remark about the situation in Iraq that the US military can't tell who's a "civilian" vs. "enemy" or whatever. bla bla uniforms, standing army, etc. breakdown of categories
13:10:41 <kpreid> (this was several years ago, I am not well-read on such matters, etc etc)
13:10:56 <sbp> tip: if they're shooting at you, they're an enemy (or, more likely, friendly fire)
13:11:45 <kpreid> "if they're shooting at you, shoot back" is probably a good way to eventually end up with no army
13:11:55 <kpreid> (cue Prisoner's Dilemma discussion)
13:12:18 <sbp> I'd say it's a pretty good rule of thumb...
13:12:20 <Arnia> If they're shooting at you, lob a lobed nuke
13:12:34 <Arnia> radialIrradiation
13:12:38 <kpreid> sbp: you said friendly fire...
13:12:44 <Arnia> ooh, that would be a cool name for a design house
13:13:03 <sbp> well most friendly fire comes from unnamed US sources, doesn't it?
13:13:09 <sbp> if you can't pursue it legally...
13:13:19 <Arnia> So we end up with no US army...
13:13:27 <kpreid> sbp: then don't hire a lawyer
13:13:42 <Arnia> Can we give all the lawyers guns too?
13:13:49 <kpreid> hah
13:14:09 <kpreid> put all your eggs in one basket
13:14:25 <kpreid> except they aren't YOUR eggs now
13:14:31 * sbp is alluding to a friendly fire incident where US troops allegedly fired on and killed UK troops, and then when the UK courts asked (when a coroner said it was an unlawful killing, I think) who did it the US said "sorry, we can't release that information"
13:15:12 <sbp> "why?" "BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS CLASSIFIED"
13:19:54 <sbp> [[[
13:19:55 <sbp> The US will continue to refuse requests for its personnel to appear at inquests into the "friendly fire" deaths of British troops, a report says.
13:19:55 <sbp> The MoD has sent written guidance to coroners across England and Wales over the holding of military inquests.
13:19:55 <sbp> According to the Times, its letter says the US "confirms categorically" it will not provide witnesses for inquests.
13:20:00 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6967982.stm
13:21:12 <sbp> ah, here was the decision:
13:21:13 <sbp> [[[
13:21:13 <sbp> The death of a UK soldier when a US pilot fired on his convoy in Iraq was unlawful, a coroner has ruled.
13:21:13 <sbp> The "friendly fire" incident which killed Lance Corporal of Horse Matty Hull, 25, was a criminal act, he said.
13:21:19 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6449227.stm
13:22:26 <sbp> wow, even Harriet Harman asked them to change their minds:
13:22:27 <sbp> [[[
13:22:27 <sbp> Constitutional affairs minister Harriet Harman, who met with US diplomats in London ahead of the inquest, said she shared the "frustration" at their failure to send witnesses.
13:22:28 <sbp> "I explained that this was not a criminal court, nobody could be found guilty and sent to prison, it is simply asking questions and requiring answers," she said.
13:22:28 <sbp> "But I am afraid that they weren't prepared to change their position."
13:22:30 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
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13:28:15 <sbp> ah, the Sun found out anyway who one of the pilots was:
13:28:15 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Kohntopp
13:29:07 <sbp> hmm, he was promoted
13:30:17 <sbp> 'As of 9 February 2007, Kohntopp was reported to be, "in hiding."'
13:30:21 <sbp> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incident_-_March_28,_2003
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13:48:36 <sbp> hmm, good name for a man-perfume
13:48:39 <sbp> Touch of Douche
13:53:03 <sbp> --- FA Cup ---
13:54:00 <sbp> soldier carried out the cup
13:54:46 <sbp> hmm, Kofi Annan on the pitch
13:56:36 <sbp> ah, he's going to present the trophe. interesting
14:00:41 <sbp> for ye internacionales: ye British Fotbal Associacioun (FA) are like to hold annually such as is a competition betwixt pairwise sondrie members of said Associacioun (FA). the last of these matches of cometitionrie taketh place at the much lauded groundes of Wembelie, & a cuppe presented thereat by an person of some repute
14:01:33 <sbp> kick-off
14:01:56 <sbp> !
14:02:03 <sbp> Everton goal in under thirty seconds
14:02:08 <sbp> that might have been the fastest goal ever
14:02:13 <sbp> Louis Saha
14:02:17 <sbp> that's going down in history
14:03:17 <sbp> 25 seconds they're saying
14:03:21 <sbp> that's crazy
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14:04:50 <sbp> [bjoern]: Britain at standstill for FA Cup
14:05:00 <sbp> Chelsea vs. Everton. Everton scored 25 seconds from kick-off
14:05:10 <sbp> fastest FA Cup final goal ever
14:05:15 <[bjoern]> Fetish Association?
14:05:16 <phenny> [bjoern]: 09:38Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] expenses row MP Bill Cash: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45838000/jpg/_45838978_000181122-1.jpg and http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45838000/jpg/_45838979_000181120-1.jpg - load them both and keep flicking between the two!
14:05:42 <[bjoern]> No I won't
14:05:46 <sbp> ye ffotbal Associacioun
14:05:47 <[bjoern]> And should not have loaded them
14:05:54 <sbp> heh, heh
14:08:08 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Kohntopp
14:10:04 <[bjoern]> It's embarrassing to be shot by americans.
14:10:37 <sbp> embarrassing for the Americans too, it seems
14:10:43 <sbp> note the bit that says he's "in hiding"
14:10:52 <sbp> (after having been promoted)
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14:11:00 <sbp> yo xo pho
14:11:13 <[bjoern]> that's one of the gayest nicks you've come up with.
14:11:27 <sbp> xopher would've been funny
14:11:35 <xoPhone> Yo, hos'
14:11:35 <Monty2> piqued
14:11:43 <[bjoern]> even Monty2 agrees
14:11:47 <Monty2> those arcs with "type": "domain", "_id": domain-name in standard command?
14:12:45 <xoPhone> This is from Colloquy Mobile by the way.
14:12:52 <sbp> ew
14:13:42 <xoPhone> Works reasonably well so far.
14:14:20 <xoPhone> Oooh! Cheeseburger! :-)
14:15:22 <sbp> on your phone, or in your mouth?
14:15:32 <xoPhone> (who needs twitter when you have swhack)
14:15:44 <sbp> hehe
14:16:01 <xoPhone> (next up: play by play of my bowel movements)
14:16:10 <sbp> we can already guess those
14:16:20 <[bjoern]> I'm hungry.
14:17:10 <[bjoern]> "Huh? How are Java and Javascript nearly identical?" "They were both slow when they came out, they're both slow now, and they both have a bunch of people saying "oh, but it's faster now!"" - /.
14:17:40 <sbp> perhaps you can eat Java
14:17:44 <sbp> please eat Java...
14:18:13 <[bjoern]> .gc +javanese
14:18:15 <phenny> +javanese: 1,480,000
14:19:01 <xoPhone> You're encouraging him to consume Bill Joy's exceement?
14:19:12 <sbp> in a manner of speaking, of course!
14:21:59 <sbp> goal!
14:22:07 <sbp> Drogba, Chelsea
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14:48:38 <sbp> HT
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15:05:11 <sbp> .g "Not for the first time, Britain is made to look like a subservient satellite taken wretchedly for granted by the country that is supposed to be its closest ally."
15:05:13 <phenny> sbp: http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0211-24.htm
15:06:08 <sbp> H2
15:06:34 <sbp> kick-off
15:19:13 <sbp> .c 2 / 16
15:19:14 <phenny> 2 / 16 = 0.125
15:20:47 <sbp> ooh, close. that would've been good. (Anelka)
15:30:21 <[bjoern]> "Taxpayers are on the hook for an extra $55,000 a household to cover rising federal commitments made just in the past year for retirement benefits, the national debt and other government promises, a USA TODAY analysis shows." - http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-05-28-debt_N.htm
15:31:09 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obama_revises_campaign
15:31:18 <sbp> (from nsh)
15:31:38 <[bjoern]> was planning on checking onion videos today
15:32:49 <sbp> what a goal!
15:32:52 <sbp> wow
15:32:59 <sbp> Lampard, Chelsea 2-1 Everton
15:35:27 <[bjoern]> "Does anyone here own a hacksaw?"
15:41:08 <sbp> hmm, Malouda scored
15:41:10 <sbp> but they didn't give it
15:41:21 <sbp> like our World Cup goal in 1966
15:41:27 <sbp> only they didn't give it this time
15:42:57 <[bjoern]> nice http://www.theonion.com/content/video/police_slog_through_40_000
15:43:11 <sbp> .title
15:43:12 <phenny> sbp: Police Slog Through 40,000 Insipid Party Pics To Find Cause Of Dorm Fire | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
15:56:12 <sbp> FT
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16:08:53 <sbp> going up to collect the trophe
16:09:39 <nslater> "goofy sexy poses"
16:10:55 <nslater> fantastic video
16:16:01 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus encapsulate
16:16:03 <phenny> [bjoern]: sum up, summarize, put in a nutshell, condense, capture, compress
16:16:10 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus encode
16:16:13 <phenny> [bjoern]: encrypt, code, put into code, scramble, convert, translate, express in code
16:16:22 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus include
16:16:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: contain, comprise, take in, consist of, take account of, embrace / bring in, incorporate, add in, enter, involve, rope in
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16:40:07 <sbp> hehe. they had some viking restorationists on the telly
16:40:10 <sbp> interviewed one
16:40:16 <sbp> and as a caption
16:40:19 <sbp> DUDE'S NAME
16:40:26 <sbp> "Viking"
16:40:41 <[bjoern]> "DUDE'S NAME" would have been better.
16:41:09 <sbp> heh
16:42:03 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus allow
16:42:04 <phenny> [bjoern]: let, permit, agree, consent, tolerate, countenance, sanction / accept, admit, acknowledge, admit as true, grant, concede / allocate, set aside, make available, set a limit, allot, apportion
16:42:06 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus accept
16:42:08 <phenny> [bjoern]: receive, take, agree to take, admit / consent, agree, say yes, say you will, give a positive response, assent, accede / put up with, endure, tolerate, bow, take, resign yourself / believe, recognize, agree, admit, acknowledge, understand, allow / take on, undertake, acknowledge, assume, bear...
16:43:16 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus query
16:43:17 <phenny> [bjoern]: inquiry, question, request, interrogation, demand, probe / doubt, uncertainty, reservation, question, question mark, objection
16:47:47 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus often
16:47:49 <phenny> [bjoern]: every so often, frequently, over and over again, time and again, repeatedly, habitually, a lot, regularly
16:49:15 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus dangerous
16:49:17 <phenny> [bjoern]: unsafe, hazardous, risky, dodgy, treacherous, perilous, precarious, chancy, daring, threatening / grave, serious, critical, grievous, alarming
16:49:27 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn didn't know you worked on the tetragrammaton thing which Michael. only saw your name up there when I looked back at it today... weird that! in retrospect it's obvious you wouldn't be kept away from involvement in that...
16:49:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
16:50:56 <[bjoern]> .g rfc security glossary
16:50:58 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2828.txt
16:51:10 <[bjoern]> there is a newer version...
16:51:30 <[bjoern]> ah RFC4949
16:52:04 <[bjoern]> .g FYI0036
16:52:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4949.txt
16:54:04 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus privileged
16:54:06 <phenny> [bjoern]: advantaged, lucky, fortunate, honoured / confidential, private, restricted, controlled, limited, top secret
17:00:10 <[bjoern]> this is not a good way to replace the document http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-SCRIPT-TECHS/
17:00:43 <sbp> replace?
17:00:51 <[bjoern]> .title
17:00:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: Techniques for WCAG 2.0
17:01:07 <[bjoern]> there used to be script techniques, now it's all sorts of techniques.
17:01:37 <[bjoern]> "<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/xhtml; charset=utf-8" />" - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-SCRIPT-TECHS/client-side-script.html
17:05:06 <sbp> highlands - 25C
17:05:09 <sbp> Rome - 23C
17:05:26 <[bjoern]> .weather Magdeburg
17:05:28 <phenny> EDBM: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
17:05:30 <[bjoern]> stillfail
17:05:59 <[bjoern]> .o yr.no ... needed.
17:06:00 <phenny> [bjoern]: Sorry, no such service. See http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/wiki/ServiceDefinitions
17:13:59 <nsh> .
17:14:04 <[bjoern]> having perfectly justified text in one section makes jigged text in the surrounding ones look worse.
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17:20:20 <sbp> yr.no: you could always write it!
17:20:48 <[bjoern]> nuyrnosomething
17:21:20 <[bjoern]> I just put on appropriate clothing and turned off my screen, preparing to hunt food in the supermarket
17:21:37 <[bjoern]> suddenly extreme lightning outside, 15 seconds nonstop thunder, now rain
17:22:19 <[bjoern]> let's check with NASA if maybe I can take the Strassenbahn.
17:23:26 <sbp> appropriate clothing: mankini?
17:23:38 <[bjoern]> clothing
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18:00:36 <nsh> s/l
18:10:04 <[bjoern]> I'm back.
18:10:11 <[bjoern]> Let's just say it was a nautical experience.
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18:39:47 <sbp> heh, they just mentioned Top Gear on the news
18:40:08 <sbp> I think the first steam train has just gone under the Severn tunnel
18:40:22 <sbp> and apparently it's racing a Jaguar and a motorbike, as part of Top Gear
18:40:29 <sbp> so I reckon it'll be Clarkson in the Jag
18:40:33 <sbp> Hammond on the bike
18:40:44 <sbp> and May on the train, probably even driving the train knowing him
18:43:12 <nsh> who's controlling the severn?
18:43:14 <nsh> i want that job
18:43:27 <nsh> GO SUPER TIDAL POWER ATTAX
18:44:03 <nsh> UNIQUE WILDLIFE HABITAT BONUS ENGAGE
18:44:29 <nsh> the idea is they all crash together at some point and transmute into a transition vehicle, right?
18:45:36 <sbp> that's what usually happens, yeah
18:54:19 <sbp> hmm, this seems to be the latest I can find about it:
18:54:20 <sbp> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442969/Mattys-killer-face-UK-trial.html
18:54:23 <phenny> sbp: Matty's killer 'must face UK trial' | Mail Online
18:54:33 <sbp> [[[
18:54:34 <sbp> Ms Chakrabarti said: 'For four years it was a master-and-servant treaty, not a bilateral treaty.
18:54:34 <sbp> 'At last the relationship can be mutual. In the aftermath of an unlawful killing, a criminal investigation must follow.'
18:54:34 <sbp> A Home Office spokeswoman confirmed that the 2003 treaty was granted the approval of the US Senate in September 2006 and three months later was signed by President Bush.
18:54:34 <sbp> But Shadow Attorney General Dominic Grieve, a criminal barrister, suggested that to mount a successful prosecution against Kohntopp was complicated.
18:54:37 <sbp> He said: 'Regardless of the use of the extradition treaty, it has to be tested whether or not a British court has jurisdiction when the incident occurred in Iraq.
18:54:40 <sbp> 'By tradition, British jurisdiction is territorial. It may fall outside the remit of the British courts.'
18:54:42 <sbp> The Attorney General's office said: 'We will look into this case as soon as it is referred to us.
18:54:44 <sbp> The Attorney General is deeply sympathetic towards L/Cpl Hull's widow.
18:54:46 <sbp> ]]]
18:56:58 <sbp> “A senior American general in charge of a US probe into what went wrong recommended two airmen face court martial, The Sun can reveal.” — http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article17372.ece
19:10:13 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8071860.stm
19:10:15 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Magazine | Shorthand and sex appeal
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19:28:57 <sbp> [bjoern]: caption please:
19:28:58 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/decorated-toilets_1411717i.jpg
19:30:27 <[bjoern]> well the front most one thinks, come over ms smarty pants, $something
19:30:50 <sbp> caption please:
19:30:50 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/obama-gay-fail_1411738i.jpg
19:30:58 <[bjoern]> the middle one has arms, that's disturbing
19:31:13 <[bjoern]> too boring
19:31:25 <sbp> caption please:
19:31:26 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/brown-baby_1411655i.jpg
19:32:28 <[bjoern]> i just shit my pants too, bwhaha? bad pix.
19:33:52 <[bjoern]> remind me in 8 minutes to prepare red stuff for the yellow things.
19:33:52 <Monty2> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat May 30 20:42:07 BST 2009
19:35:15 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01412/paul-smith-bunny-b_1412549i.jpg — “British fashion designer Paul Smith unveils the new London rubbish bin. The Bunny Bin has ears that light up when anyone puts rubbish into it”
19:36:48 <sbp> [bjoern]: one you may appreciate more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01412/big-ben-nude_1412564i.jpg
19:37:28 <[bjoern]> "You just wait for next easter, maybe then you'll think twice before [something bad his children have done]"
19:38:42 <[bjoern]> A third parties comment is "blau blau blau blau blau blau blau"
19:39:18 <sbp> oh man, crazy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01412/obama-protester_1412578i.jpg — “Secret Service personnel remove Brenda Lee from near Air Force One after Lee attempted to give President Obama a letter at Los Angeles International Airport”
19:39:36 <sbp> "this top '60s female singer celebrity is a clear security threat"
19:39:44 <[bjoern]> "She's got an iPhone, I wantz it!"
19:40:45 <sbp> oh, heh, it's not the singer
19:40:52 <sbp> it's some random woman who has the same name as the singer
19:40:59 <[bjoern]> what's the message in the nude ben one?
19:41:00 <sbp> not that it makes a *great* deal more sense
19:41:08 <sbp> the message is very boring
19:41:13 <sbp> just enjoy the photo, I suggest
19:41:18 <sbp> it's about politics, predictably
19:41:26 <sbp> endorsing some party I'd never heard of
19:41:39 <[bjoern]> Perhaps they want expenses exposed?
19:42:06 <Monty2> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to prepare red stuff for the yellow things.
19:42:19 <sbp> heh, mebs
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19:46:42 <[bjoern]> will read http://euobserver.com/843/28210 to find out later
19:48:23 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/2009/5/27/news-120815611/detail.html has a lot of pix of the day
19:49:10 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7606/12437101994240/53629432_23824857_slide.jpg
19:50:54 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102000180/53629448_23811124_slide.jpg
19:51:30 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102001170/53629455_23807977_slide.jpg
19:52:38 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102003420/53629470_23798384_slide.jpg
19:53:01 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102004010/53629474_23796998_slide.jpg
19:53:37 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102004150/53629475_23799690_slide.jpg
19:53:49 <[bjoern]> hehe
19:54:26 <sbp> no posting photos that are better than mine
19:56:36 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102004620/53629478_23795244_slide.jpg
19:57:20 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102007120/53629491_23784639_slide.jpg
19:58:02 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102008140/53629496_23785595_slide.jpg (16th century pest mask)
19:58:05 <sbp> that's better
19:58:43 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7607/12437102010350/53629506_23772572_slide.jpg
19:59:12 <[bjoern]> you've not come up with any caption yet.
20:17:16 <sbp> which one would you most like a caption for?
20:17:27 <[bjoern]> yes.
20:17:28 <sbp> you already captioned one yourself (16th century pest mask)
20:17:43 <[bjoern]> that was the original caption.
20:36:16 <sbp> ...scary
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21:06:00 <sbp> offs. 'night!
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22:13:47 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus normally
22:13:49 <phenny> [bjoern]: usually, in general, as a rule, on the whole, by and large, more often than not, on average, generally, typically, customarily, ordinarily, habitually, routinely / as normal, as usual, naturally, unexceptionally, conventionally
22:28:27 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus legalise
22:28:28 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found
22:28:31 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus legalize
22:28:33 <phenny> [bjoern]: decriminalize, authorize, sanction, allow, permit, validate, enact, decree
22:38:16 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus consequence
22:38:18 <phenny> [bjoern]: importance, significance, value, moment, concern, import, magnitude / result, effect, outcome, end result, corollary, aftereffect, aftermath, upshot
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