Swhack! 3 June 2009
00:14:41 <nslater> tav: yo
00:14:47 <nslater> Arnia: cool
00:15:32 * Arnia boings at nslater recursively
00:17:08 <nslater> nice comment
00:17:14 <Arnia> Thank you
00:17:25 libby has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
00:26:28 <Arnia> nslater: http://nick.iss.im/2009/05/28/bottom-up-wave-propagation/
00:26:54 <Arnia> I'm not sure what to make of ISS
00:27:21 cre8radix has quit ("your mama! >:)")
00:30:37 <nslater> he doesn't really describe it in his post, and im too tired to follow links :)
00:31:11 <Arnia> Basically it is like RSS but with a 'syndicate' option that allows you to tag posts on websites and share those tags with friends
00:31:52 <Arnia> He thinks that it is like Wave but deals with information overload better
00:32:08 <Arnia> I think it is a crock of shit personally atm :)
00:32:19 <Arnia> I'll give a less embittered opinion when I'm less tired
00:32:21 <tav> well, as to the information overload problem, plexnet =)
00:34:52 <Arnia> Hm. I'm sceptical
00:34:58 * Arnia is sceptical in general of everything atm
00:35:17 <[bjoern]> atm?
00:35:39 <Arnia> I'm sometimes not quite so cynically sceptical
00:36:53 <[bjoern]> you can compensate that with sarcastic commentary.
00:37:15 <Arnia> I'm never sarcastic
00:37:22 <Arnia> and I rarely engage in commentary
00:37:57 <[bjoern]> I hear it's unprofessional anyway.
00:38:16 <[bjoern]> Still, at times it gets you laid.
00:38:38 <Arnia> if you're German
00:39:15 <[bjoern]> Or are good at pretending to be one.
00:44:49 <nslater> hmm, google reader already does that
00:45:12 <[bjoern]> I don't think it'd pass as a German.
00:54:00 <[bjoern]> .wik beer bong
00:54:02 <phenny> "Beer Pong without paddles (in some regions called Beirut) is a drinking game in which players throw a ping-pong ball across a table with the intent of landing the ball in one of 10 or 6 cups of beer on the other end." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_pong
01:00:53 <kpreid> .u ẞ
01:00:54 <phenny> U+1E9E (No name found)
01:15:08 <[bjoern]> So, my train's leaving to a parallel universe. have fun.
01:15:15 [bjoern] has quit ("Quit")
01:57:02 *** Ficthe is now known as me
01:57:15 *** me is now known as Ficthe
03:03:05 lisppaste2 has quit (Client Quit)
03:03:12 lisppaste2 (n=lisppast@common-lisp.net) has joined #swhack
05:37:19 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
07:02:42 panni_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
07:49:48 libby (n=libby@94-169-110-24.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack
08:17:42 mmmmmrob (n=mmmmmrob@62.172.77.66) has joined #swhack
08:34:28 <nsh> [23:45] <Arnia> I think I (indirectly) have the answer to my Wave question: http://www.waveprotocol.org/whitepapers/wave-protocol-verification
08:34:31 <nsh> what was that question?
08:35:55 <nsh> also, whaddup swhack
08:39:10 ephemerian (n=ijd@nat/hp/x-df9daf3a7b1dedda) has joined #swhack
08:45:37 <_ulises> yopls
08:54:59 <nsh> hey man
08:55:13 <_ulises> wassa
08:55:19 <nsh> nuthing
08:55:28 <nsh> trying to get berkeley db working for dsniff
08:55:53 leobard (n=Miranda@dfki-046.dfki.uni-kl.de) has joined #swhack
08:56:20 <_ulises> fun tiemz
08:58:05 cre8radix (n=jamaerah@c-base/crew/cre8radix) has joined #swhack
09:02:00 <cre8radix> heya
09:12:22 <_ulises> yo radixman
09:14:56 <nsh> _ulises, do you want to code iphone wave apps with me?
09:15:00 <nsh> for maximums cashmoneys
09:15:15 <_ulises> nsh: sure, how 2b startink pls
09:15:28 <nsh> i dunno, i only had the idea today
09:16:04 <nsh> thought it might be more lulzy to get "Starttiraha" (start-up capital) from the finnish employment ministry
09:16:15 <nsh> rather than the other boringer options
09:16:21 <_ulises> how about from nigeria?
09:16:26 <nsh> this is also an option
09:16:35 <nsh> i hear they sometimes have trouble getting it out of the country though
09:16:38 <_ulises> I heard there's this christian dude who's inherited lots of cashdollahs
09:16:43 <_ulises> yeah
09:16:46 <nsh> we should investigate further
09:16:55 <nsh> i might start soliciting nigerian scammers
09:16:58 <nsh> that would be funny
09:17:05 <_ulises> would you mind explaining what wave is anyway?
09:17:14 <nsh> like when you try to pull a hideously ugly girl so crassly that she rejects you
09:17:50 <nsh> google wave is some kind of medicinal purple semen that's going to make the web have seven arms, all of them holding a pipe-bomb
09:18:23 <_ulises> for srs? I'm in!
09:18:39 <nsh> or a real-time multi-user feed federation and syndication system for merging various web tings into a probably-terribly-scaling monstrosity
09:18:45 <nsh> either way, sounds like fun
09:20:00 <_ulises> yeah, especially if there are cashmonies to make
09:20:05 <nsh> word
09:20:31 <nsh> (correct usage is "cashmoneys to be make")
09:20:42 <nsh> grammar must be subverted in swhacktopia
09:21:29 <nsh> phenny, tell nslater that we're making iPhone wave apps for to cashmoneys teh make big tiems
09:21:30 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
09:21:49 <nsh> and android, wai not
09:22:13 <nsh> man, berkeley db compiles slowly
09:22:26 * nsh thinks of other crims to occupy the meanwhiles
09:22:31 <_ulises> hrm
09:28:32 <sbp> yo
09:28:33 <phenny> sbp: 02 Jun 22:45Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1243889543443.jpg
09:28:52 <sbp> Blears has stood down. that's 2/3
09:31:54 <_ulises> yo sbp
09:32:00 <nslater> hey sbp
09:32:01 <phenny> nslater: 09:21Z <nsh> tell nslater that we're making iPhone wave apps for to cashmoneys teh make big tiems
09:32:14 <sbp> yo _ulises, nslater
09:43:52 <sbp> media are absolutely loving this
09:46:41 <nsh> loving what?
09:46:57 <_ulises> our wave iphone app idea
09:47:07 <_ulises> I already spoke to my people, we've been featured in wired
09:52:47 <nsh> oh, that must be why the photographer from Time was on the phone
09:52:54 <nsh> i thought he just wanted to give me head for crack money again
09:54:00 <_ulises> damn photographers
10:20:52 <sbp> BBC typo: "Brown: Respects and understands Blear's decision"
10:35:00 <nsh> hah
10:35:05 * nsh checks some news too
10:35:41 <nsh> OMGOMGOMGOMGOM
10:36:02 <nsh> is Jacqui Smith really stepping down?
10:36:09 <nsh> yayay
10:36:17 <nsh> though it's pretty mute anyway
10:36:27 <nsh> lame duck cabinet and massive tory majority incoming
10:36:32 <nsh> *moot
10:48:09 <sbp> nsh: Smith and Blears
10:48:25 <sbp> Blears is the more interesting case
10:48:34 <sbp> because her departure is a calculated swipe at the govt.
10:48:39 <sbp> well, at Brown
10:49:19 <nsh> sure
10:49:26 <nsh> when's the election deadline?
10:49:35 <nsh> i wonder what the odds on a forced early call are now
10:49:59 <nsh> http://betting.betfair.com/specials/politics-betting/
10:50:40 <nsh> wow, that page looks surprisingly good
10:50:47 <nsh> did not expect this some a gambling site
10:51:05 <nsh> http://betting.betfair.com/specials/politics-betting/uk-politics/general-election-betting/
10:52:04 <sbp> gamblorz wants ur money
10:52:38 <nsh> .gs a gambling moster. i call it *
10:52:40 <phenny> nsh: no results
10:52:43 <nsh> :-/
10:53:04 <sbp> I call him Gamblor!
10:53:14 <sbp> .gc "I call him Gamblor!"
10:53:15 <phenny> "I call him Gamblor!": 474
10:54:11 <nsh> .gs monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him *
10:54:13 <phenny> nsh: gamblor (80)
10:54:20 <nsh> that'll learn me to remember quote bettar
10:54:46 <nsh> I call him gamblor would make a great refrain for a dark drum and base song
10:55:00 <nsh> with lots of crazy effects to make it all evil and such
10:55:03 <sbp> hehe
10:55:27 <nsh> anyway, i look for odds, i find odds soon, i link
10:56:30 <nsh> oh, no odds without registering
10:56:37 <nsh> stupid turf accountants
10:56:58 <nsh> ah: http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN/betting/g/9035/Outright.html
10:57:17 <nsh> what month *should* the election be?
10:57:31 <nsh> you can work out the odds for an early election by the powar of maths
10:57:54 <nsh> may 2010
10:58:38 <nsh> .c 1 / ( 1 - 8/13)
10:58:39 <phenny> 1 / (1 - (8 / 13)) = 2.6
10:58:45 <sbp> Brown walking into the chamber
10:58:50 <nsh> .c 1 - 8/13
10:58:51 <phenny> 1 - (8 / 13) = 0.384615385
10:59:02 <sbp> house is packed
10:59:23 * nsh tunes teh in
10:59:30 <nsh> url?
10:59:39 <sbp> .g BBC Parliament
10:59:41 <phenny> sbp: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/
10:59:48 <nsh> ty
11:00:01 <nsh> Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?
11:00:02 <nsh> whey
11:00:45 * sbp switches to BBC Parliament on the telly
11:01:12 <sbp> here we go
11:01:16 <sbp> questions
11:04:02 <sbp> Brown goes into superdefiant mode immediately
11:04:18 <sbp> SNP says Labour cabinet is reshuffling itself...
11:04:34 <sbp> Stoate talks about solar power
11:04:45 <sbp> "this is a serious issue" says Brown
11:04:47 <sbp> hehe
11:05:03 <sbp> Cameron
11:05:24 <sbp> remembering the soldiers
11:06:41 <sbp> calm questioning about the lack of command
11:07:32 <sbp> he says, isn't this a direct challenge?
11:07:41 <sbp> Brown says we need to step back and understand what's been happening
11:07:43 <sbp> some choxelling
11:07:56 <sbp> ah, he's blaming family pressure
11:08:11 <sbp> yes, elements of party politics; but no, issues on all sides of the house too
11:08:24 <sbp> if it was about expenses, she would have resigned weeks ago, says Cameron
11:08:27 <sbp> huge amount of shouting
11:08:42 <sbp> threat to suspend questions from the speaker
11:09:11 <sbp> cabinet "dysfunction", says Cameron
11:09:23 <sbp> can he guarantee there'll be no further resignations before the reshuffle?
11:09:46 <sbp> he's not answering, just mildly supporting Blears
11:11:05 <sbp> Cameron focusses on Darling
11:11:21 <sbp> will he still be there in a week?
11:11:26 <sbp> Brown: this is nothing to do with policy!
11:12:10 <sbp> Cameron reasks the question
11:12:19 <sbp> Brown fails to answer again
11:13:17 <sbp> "the government is collapsing before our eyes"
11:13:24 <sbp> says to call for a dissolution from the Queen
11:14:51 <sbp> Cameron hasn't been able to land a blow really, but I wonder if the media will focus on the fact that Brown wasn't willing to say that Darling will still be chancellor in a week
11:15:29 * nsh might start a dissolution call campaign on facebook
11:15:30 <nsh> for lulz
11:15:33 <nsh> and to spam lots of people
11:15:35 <sbp> heh, heh
11:16:01 <sbp> Clegg
11:16:20 <sbp> great danger to our democracy when nobody is felt to be in charge
11:16:46 <sbp> Brown focussing on policy
11:16:54 <sbp> Clegg mimicing Cameron oddly
11:17:03 <sbp> "Labour is finished"
11:17:21 <sbp> "the only choice now is between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats", huge amount of laughing
11:19:08 <nsh> meh
11:19:13 <nsh> damn, storm just came out of nowhere
11:19:16 <nsh> shitting it down
11:19:25 <sbp> cool
11:19:31 <nsh> and it's done
11:19:43 <nsh> about 40 seconds of other people getting superwet
11:20:28 <sbp> hehe
11:32:11 <sbp> done
11:33:24 <nsh> done what?
11:33:28 <sbp> PMQs
11:33:29 * nsh lost some packets
11:33:39 <nsh> <nsh> in 2001 or whatever
11:33:39 <nsh> --- Disconnected ()
11:35:52 <nsh> loggy, pointer?
11:35:52 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-06-03#T11-35-52
11:35:54 <nsh> phenny!
11:35:54 <phenny> nsh!
11:36:10 <nsh> oh, question time is done?
11:37:01 <sbp> yeah
11:37:17 <sbp> Blears's PPS is coming in
11:37:47 <sbp> Rob Flello
11:37:52 <sbp> what a great name
11:40:31 <sbp> Flello: she has no blood, that's the Labour party running through her veins
11:41:56 <sbp> now they're just reviewing PMQs. so yeah, not much from that
12:12:20 [bjoern] (n=bjoern@dslb-094-223-185-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #swhack
12:12:34 <[bjoern]> yo
12:28:05 cori[s] (n=cori[s]@h216-165-152-226.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net) has joined #swhack
12:50:05 <nslater> sbp: have they started yet?
12:54:26 Arnia has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12:56:34 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
13:06:47 Arnia (n=jgeldart@129.234.78.116) has joined #swhack
13:12:20 <sbp> nslater: have who started what?
13:12:42 MacTed (n=Thud@63.119.36.36) has joined #swhack
13:13:51 <sbp> .gc "Westland moment"
13:13:52 <phenny> "Westland moment": 3
13:15:56 <clsn> .swhack onion
13:15:58 <phenny> clsn: http://swhack.com/logs/2009-02-24#T16-08-54
13:16:18 <clsn> .swhack gay marriage
13:16:20 <phenny> clsn: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-12-07#T17-54-09
13:17:09 <clsn> meh. forget it. I was thinking the onion vid someone linked to yesterday about a bill aimed at preventing gays from undergoing sex-change operations so they could get married...
13:17:18 <clsn> (it's the onion, guys, it doesn't have to be true)
13:17:52 <nslater> sbp: the PMQ stuff
13:18:07 <sbp> nslater: ended at 12:30 local
13:18:37 <nslater> oh right, heh heh
13:18:55 <clsn> It struck me that someone who was really concerned that it only be *real* men and women marrying, they should *mandate* pre-marital sex. You can't get married until *after* she's pregnant.
13:19:04 <clsn> s/they//
13:21:04 <nslater> sbp: anything interesting happan?
13:23:37 <sbp> not really, nope
13:23:48 <sbp> I took notes, above
13:24:16 <sbp> but the summary is that Cameron and Clegg really failed to undermine Brown at a very weak point in Brown's leadership
13:24:37 <sbp> Cameron didn't even seem to be really trying
13:24:46 <sbp> and Clegg was just copying Cameron to the best of his ability
13:24:53 <sbp> (which is becoming increasingly annoying)
13:26:16 <libby> he *sounds* like him too :(
13:26:27 <nslater> hmm
13:26:32 <nslater> who is clegg?
13:26:49 <sbp> the leader of the Liberal Democrats
13:27:01 <sbp> yo libby!
13:27:38 <sbp> yeah, Clegg is bafflingly unoriginal
13:27:40 <nslater> oh right, ive not really followed politics for a while
13:27:46 <nslater> was the call for dissolution a serious one?
13:27:48 <sbp> I'd prefer Vince Cable, frankly
13:28:06 <libby> sbp "yo" :-)
13:28:39 <sbp> nslater: well they've been asking for a general election for months
13:28:50 <sbp> but I'm not sure it would benefit them, and they know it's not going to happen
13:29:09 <sbp> the problem is, the sooner they get in, the sooner they inherit the complete mess
13:29:20 <nslater> it annoyed me that brown ended up as pm without being voted for by the public
13:29:41 <sbp> you don't ever vote for the prime minister
13:29:47 <sbp> you vote for your representative
13:30:20 <nslater> well, perhaps technically. but in a general election, many people do vote on the strength of the person would would most likely end up as pm or shaddow pm
13:30:24 <nslater> or whatever
13:30:43 <sbp> maybe, but this isn't the first time we've seen a party electing a new PM
13:30:50 <sbp> so anybody who does that is being a bit silly
13:30:50 <clsn> yeah, representational democracy gets weird.
13:31:32 <sbp> you have to take loads of stuff into consideration, but you only get one vote
13:31:55 <clsn> In Israel, you vote for your *party*, and they pick who gets however many seats they win. It's a democracy, but a really badly designed one. The representatives wind up not really being beholden to their constituents, but to the party bosses.
13:32:16 <sbp> ouch, that is bad
13:32:26 <sbp> plus the fact that they form huge coalitions
13:32:31 <clsn> I'm oversimplifying, there may be some direct input... but not a lot.
13:32:50 <clsn> Yeah, the coalitions, because you can't get more than three Israelis to agree on ANYTHING, so no party can get a majority.
13:32:54 <sbp> so you vote for some party and then like a dozen others get similar levels of support, and then it's pretty random whether yours gets into the leading coalition
13:33:23 <clsn> So there's all this backroom dealing to forge the coalition... That's part of why the government there is so volatile, changing every few years.
13:33:44 <clsn> Also probably why there is no small amount of corruption in the gov't either.
13:33:51 <sbp> heh, heh
13:33:57 <clsn> I've been in Israel during an election year. Not a pretty sight.
13:34:55 <clsn> The coalitions help small parties wield a lot of power since they can be the swing-vote... which can be ridiculous because you wind up being held ransom by some weird single-purpose party...
13:35:30 <clsn> I think party members get to vote for SOME sort of internal party structure. But I'm pretty sure they don't get to directly make the list of who gets seated in what order.
13:35:58 <sbp> probably depends on the party?
13:36:19 <clsn> Oddly, I'm not so sure. Or if it does, at least all the bigger ones work more or less the same way.
13:36:25 <sbp> hmm
13:36:34 <sbp> so one thing they *can* agree on! :-)
13:36:41 <sbp> that and the corruption...
13:36:43 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
13:36:45 <clsn> Heh.
13:37:12 <clsn> There are the religious parties, and the arab parties, and the liberal and conservative... all over the map.
13:37:43 <clsn> (my father used to describe a certain town in NJ saying "every four years they arrest their government and elect a new one.")
13:37:53 <sbp> chuckle
13:38:50 <sbp> I think if an MP does something wrong, the people who voted for them should be held responsible
13:38:53 <sbp> that'd spice up voting
13:39:02 <clsn> Sheez. We'd have to jail half of America.
13:39:11 <jsled> only half?
13:39:20 <clsn> 51% or something?
13:39:43 <clsn> I think Bush won by 51% or so in 2004.
13:39:47 <jsled> It'd only be the young and felons left.
13:40:14 <clsn> (remember, for us, 51% is a *solid* victory, though not quite a landslide)
13:40:24 <jsled> well, except the, what, 40% (?) of people who are eligable but don't vote.
13:40:43 <sbp> who was the top write-in candidate?
13:41:08 <jsled> 51% is not a solid victory. :p
13:41:29 <clsn> oh, sbp: was looking at GNU's units(1) util last night. They have old German terms for type-sizes. Along with kleine-kanon and kanon, they list grobe_kanon. GROBE??? Große, surely.
13:41:41 <sbp> chox
13:41:50 <clsn> America is plurality voting, not majority. A solid majority is better than most can hope for.
13:41:53 <sbp> could at least have done grosse
13:42:04 <clsn> I have to write to the maintainer, that's a real boner.
13:42:57 <nslater> ...
13:43:16 <sbp> he meant ßoner, of course...
13:43:39 <nslater> "In the never ending quest to replace the acronym HATEOAS with something more intuitive and pronounceable, I humbly submit [..] HYDEPR (HYpermedia DEscribes PRotocols) [..] (pronounced HIGH-de-pur)"
13:43:52 <sbp> hehe
13:44:15 <nslater> what tortured mind would consider this an improvement? :)
13:44:33 <nslater> originally from the REST discuss list on Yahoo groups (old skool), but also:
13:44:34 <nslater> http://blogs.gartner.com/nick_gall/2009/06/02/epiphany-replace-hateoas-with-hypermedia-describes-protocols/
13:45:01 <clsn> what's HATEOAS?
13:45:21 <nslater> Hypertext As The Engine Of Application State
13:45:27 <clsn> Ugh.
13:45:36 <jsled> indeed.
13:45:39 <clsn> (yay, Unicode officially has ẞ now: capital ß)
13:45:41 <nslater> it's a part of RoyF's diseration about how hypertext should be used to drive application state in the client, instead of some other out-of-bound method
13:45:44 <jsled> please just call it "hypermedia"
13:46:07 <nslater> well no, because hypermedia is a thing - but HATEOAS is a design constraint
13:46:24 <jsled> "the hypermedia constraint".
13:46:26 <nslater> quite different, really. i see the need for a name for it, as awful as HATEOAS is
13:46:32 <jsled> HATEOAS is the worst fucking acronym ever.
13:46:37 <nslater> heh, nice. you should do a blog post
13:46:38 <jsled> I HATEOAS IT>
13:46:40 <nslater> then twitter about it
13:46:44 <sbp> >!
13:47:14 <sbp> he's already Swhacked it
13:47:17 <sbp> which should be enough
13:47:22 <nslater> soz
13:47:33 <sbp> and he's right
13:47:37 spb_ (i=stephen@freenode/developer/exherbo.spb) has joined #swhack
13:47:41 <sbp> so people should be able to bask in its rightness rays
13:47:41 <jsled> nslater: I was going to go find the crazy new acronym I just saw biff by on rest-discuss ... only to find you've already replied. :p
13:47:47 <nslater> jsled: i might suggest "the hypermedia constraint"
13:47:55 spb has quit (Nick collision from services.)
13:47:58 *** spb_ is now known as spb
13:48:13 <nslater> jsled: are you on rest-discuss?
13:48:29 <jsled> yup, for a few years, now.
13:48:32 <nslater> jsled: if so, reply to the thread YAATRTA HATEOAS with your suggestion pls
13:49:02 tobbez has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
13:49:03 <nslater> you might get internet famous
13:49:38 tobbez (i=tobbez@sagiri.wrya.net) has joined #swhack
13:49:50 <nslater> people will be all like "ahh, but does your web 3.0 ajax twitter clone respect the hypertext constraint (as originally defined by jsled from #swhack)?"
13:50:22 <sbp> hypermedia
13:50:27 <nslater> and they'd be all like "Shitah. I HATEOS that jsled from #swhack."
13:50:29 <nslater> soz
13:52:21 <nslater> oh man, this blog post leads me to:
13:52:23 <nslater> .title http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/2003/08/think_orgasmica.html
13:52:25 <phenny> nslater: Ironick: Think orgasmically
13:52:31 <nslater> which leads me to:
13:52:37 <nslater> 'Epiphanies are functionally similar to orgasms in that both are emotional "rewards" for "connecting."'
13:52:42 <nslater> - http://www.scripting.com/2003/08/03.html#thinkOrgasmically
13:53:05 <nslater> it always ends with weiner :/
13:53:29 tobbez has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
13:53:52 <nslater> "I kind of believe that God gave birds orgasms when they migrate in the spring and fall"
13:55:34 tobbez (i=tobbez@sagiri.wrya.net) has joined #swhack
13:56:23 <jsled> "Credit goes to Jim Webber for coining the term "Hypermedia Describes Protocols". My "value add" was simply to turn it into an acronym: HYDEPR". "But HATEOAS is based on the notion of progressive description (don’t bother Googling the term, I coined it;"
13:56:31 <jsled> Dude spends a lot of time working about coining terms.
13:56:35 <jsled> worrying, even.
13:56:36 <nslater> jsled: are you replying?
13:56:56 <jsled> Sure.
13:57:02 <nslater> jsled: hurry up mang, i have an email ready to send crediting you
13:57:22 <nslater> "don't bother googling the term, i cointed it" bwahaha
13:59:03 <jsled> nslater: sent
13:59:44 <nslater> F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
14:14:05 <sbp> .u ▓
14:14:06 <phenny> U+2593 DARK SHADE (▓)
14:14:23 <clsn> .u DARK SIDE
14:14:24 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no results for 'DARK SIDE'.
14:14:27 <clsn> Bummer.
14:24:27 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
14:26:46 panni_ (i=hannes@ip-88-152-22-213.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #swhack
14:58:14 nwalsh (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
15:10:51 <jsled> lolol http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1536
15:19:28 cre8radix has quit ()
15:19:43 nwalsh has quit ("</norm>")
15:20:16 cre8radix (n=jamaerah@c-base/crew/cre8radix) has joined #swhack
15:29:11 leobard has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
15:33:54 <cre8radix> .u darkside
15:33:56 <phenny> cre8radix: Sorry, no results for 'darkside'.
15:34:03 <cre8radix> .u darkside of the spoon
15:34:05 <phenny> cre8radix: Sorry, no results for 'darkside of the spoon'.
15:34:10 <cre8radix> ;P
15:40:23 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
15:49:18 <Charles> .u divide
15:49:20 <phenny> U+2224 DOES NOT DIVIDE (∤)
15:49:24 <Charles> .u integer division
15:49:26 <phenny> Charles: Sorry, no results for 'integer division'.
15:52:03 <Charles> .u division
15:52:05 <phenny> U+00F7 DIVISION SIGN (÷)
15:52:10 <Charles> bingo
16:13:06 clsn has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:13:32 clsn (n=shoulson@pi.meson.org) has joined #swhack
16:13:54 <clsn> phenny: tell jsled, re your smbc link, ref http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190780/
16:13:55 <phenny> clsn: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
16:18:03 <[bjoern]> Howdy campers.
16:24:20 <sbp> yo cap'n bshape
16:37:39 <[bjoern]> phenny, "己所不欲，勿施於人。"?
16:37:40 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Do not want to own, be treated." (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com)
16:38:32 ephemerian has quit ("Leaving.")
16:54:51 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
16:58:08 mmmmmrob has quit ("we're off to see the wizard...")
17:01:58 Monty (n=monty@94-193-105-25.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #swhack
17:11:26 <Charles> .u half
17:11:27 <phenny> U+258C LEFT HALF BLOCK (▌)
17:11:39 <Charles> .u fraction half
17:11:40 <phenny> U+00BD VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF (½)
17:12:06 <Charles> .u delta
17:12:08 <phenny> U+225C DELTA EQUAL TO (≜)
17:12:18 <Charles> .u delta greek
17:12:19 <phenny> Charles: Sorry, no results for 'delta greek'.
17:12:55 <Charles> oh, this works in PM as well. 'scuse me.
17:13:40 <kpreid> that's okay, we're always up for some unicode
17:18:00 Arnia has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
17:27:12 <[bjoern]> "A mail user agent that is MIME-conformant MUST: ... Treat material in an unknown character set as if it were "application/octet-stream""
17:27:20 <[bjoern]> There probably aren't many who do that?
17:31:54 <nsh> .swhack .o fact
17:31:56 <phenny> nsh: http://swhack.com/logs/2009-01-20#T18-38-40
17:34:12 <clsn> Hmph. You shouldn't be using *vulgar* fractions, though. This is a family channel.
17:35:05 <[bjoern]> There are families not familiar with the concept?
17:35:50 <clsn> Children should not be subjected to vulgar things. They should grow up with the healthy belief that everything in the universe is polite and safe and friendly and devoid of sex.
17:36:01 <[bjoern]> .wik Waka (protocol)
17:36:02 <phenny> "Waka is a new application protocol intended as 'a binary, token-based replacement for HTTP.'[1] It is 'designed to match the efficiency of the REST architectural style.'[2]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waka_(protocol)
17:49:27 <Charles> .gs and all that *
17:49:29 <phenny> and all that *: jazz (20), stuff (6), malarkey (5), entails (5), crap (5), jazzz (4)
17:58:12 <kpreid> .gs that's all the *
17:58:14 <phenny> that's all the *: rage (5), way (2), stalnakerian (2), stake's (2), repubs (2)
18:20:37 Arnia (n=jgeldart@0-16-cb-bd-57-e.it.wlan.dur.ac.uk) has joined #swhack
18:21:46 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
18:27:22 <jsled> .u ʼ
18:27:22 <phenny> U+02BC MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE (ʼ)
18:27:24 <phenny> jsled: 16:13Z <clsn> tell jsled re your smbc link, ref http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190780/
18:27:31 <jsled> .u ‘
18:27:32 <phenny> U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (‘)
18:28:02 <[bjoern]> imagick magic to create 100x100px solid color png?
18:38:27 <[bjoern]> % imagick -size 100x100 pattern:gray0 -fill red -opaque gray0 foo.png
18:38:59 <clsn> imagick?? you mean convert or something...?
18:39:21 <[bjoern]> It's called imagick, because convert.exe converts FAT to NTFS
18:40:53 <[bjoern]> % imagick -size 100x100 pattern:gray0 -fill red -draw "rectangle 0 0 100 100" foo.png also works
18:41:29 <clsn> ok...
19:12:24 ephemerian (n=ijd@82-71-51-229.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack
19:47:34 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
20:00:24 sub__ (n=showard@ppp-58-8-83-174.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #swhack
20:00:42 sub__ has quit (Client Quit)
20:22:52 <[bjoern]> apparently Opera can no longer find text if you use spaces where the source code uses line feeds, the result being, you copy a piece of text to the clipboard, paste it into the search box, and it can no longer locate the text.
20:28:49 cori[s] has quit ("ttfn")
20:35:09 <[bjoern]> .u 00ef
20:35:10 <phenny> U+00EF LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS (ï)
20:35:16 <[bjoern]> .u 00ee
20:35:16 <phenny> U+00EE LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CIRCUMFLEX (î)
20:35:16 <Monty> "you"
20:35:23 <[bjoern]> .u 00bb
20:35:23 <phenny> U+00BB RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK (»)
20:35:23 <Monty> "you"
20:35:26 <[bjoern]> .u 00ef
20:35:27 <phenny> U+00EF LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS (ï)
20:54:51 leobard (n=Miranda@91-66-122-97-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #swhack
20:54:51 <Monty> hi leobard, how ya doing?
21:00:28 MacTed has quit ()
21:19:48 Arnia has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:32:27 <deltab> [bjoern]: but it used to?
21:32:52 Arnia (n=jgeldart@87-194-158-123.bethere.co.uk) has joined #swhack
21:37:40 cre8radix has quit ()
21:38:29 <[bjoern]> I'd think so! Can't say for sure.
21:49:59 leobard has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
23:10:16 ephemerian has quit ("Leaving.")
23:11:56 libby has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:29:19 <kpreid> .u ∘
23:29:20 <phenny> U+2218 RING OPERATOR (∘)
23:36:06 <[bjoern]> hehe