Swhack! 9 June 2009
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02:30:13 <[bjoern]> So I see nslater discovered www-archive...
02:30:15 <[bjoern]> countdown
02:30:27 <[bjoern]> And I discover Monty's not around
02:30:38 <[bjoern]> Lately I feel we have a bot shortage
02:30:49 <[bjoern]> We used to have good bot coverage.
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02:40:37 <clsn> Shoulda bought the extended service contract.
02:41:19 <[bjoern]> I know you should have; now we're all suffering from the bot shortage.
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03:24:59 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://imagebin.ca/view/DHYYA9X.html
03:24:59 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
03:26:53 <[bjoern]> this would make a better mozilla-something logo http://imagebin.ca/view/2GJCC3.html
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04:08:02 <[bjoern]> .img prnids
04:08:03 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.wycraft.co.uk/images/img_prnids.jpg
04:08:04 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=prnids
04:08:17 <[bjoern]> .img penis penis penis
04:08:18 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.hexan.dk/files/stuff/Penis.png
04:08:19 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=penis%20penis%20penis
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04:08:28 <[bjoern]> donotclick
04:08:49 <[bjoern]> yes http://media.photobucket.com/image/penis%20penis%20penis/fudgieluv/Funny/penis-2.jpg
04:10:16 <[bjoern]> .gs you must be at least this *
04:10:17 <phenny> [bjoern]: tall (58), smart (9), short (3), evil (3), big (3), much taller (2)
04:10:29 <[bjoern]> .gs you must be at least this * to
04:10:29 <phenny> [bjoern]: tall (21), swarthy (3), short (3), rich (3), overjoyed (3), naked (3)
04:10:40 <[bjoern]> .gs you must be at least this naked *
04:10:41 <phenny> [bjoern]: to (4), to enter"? how much nakeder, to enter")
04:10:47 <[bjoern]> .gs you must be at least this naked to *
04:10:48 <phenny> [bjoern]: enter (12), to, ride, enter"? how much nakeder, enter")
04:10:52 <[bjoern]> .gs you must be at least this naked to ride *
04:10:53 <phenny> [bjoern]: the)
04:11:04 <[bjoern]> .gs why are you * to my penis
04:11:04 <phenny> why are you * to my penis: talking (4)
04:11:23 <[bjoern]> .g why are you talking to my penis
04:11:24 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33748
04:11:28 <[bjoern]> .g "why are you talking to my penis"
04:11:28 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/scripts/5acv01.shtml
04:14:26 <[bjoern]> .gs * hope for america
04:14:26 <phenny> * hope for america: wegener (4), renewed (4), god's (4), | (3), there's (3), financial (3)
04:14:35 <[bjoern]> .gs god's *
04:14:36 <phenny> god's *: sake (8), chillun (8), pottery (6), problem (4), grace (4)
04:14:43 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is *
04:14:44 <phenny> god's problem is *: a (6), bart ehrman (4), that god loves (3), not (3), our suffering (2)
04:14:47 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is a *
04:14:48 <phenny> god's problem is a *: lively (8), wonderful (2), serious (2)
04:14:55 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is lively *
04:14:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: no results
04:15:04 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is wonderful *
04:15:04 <phenny> [bjoern]: no results
04:15:08 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is serious *
04:15:09 <phenny> [bjoern]: no results
04:15:14 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is not *
04:15:15 <phenny> god's problem is not *: that god (7), solved (2)
04:15:19 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is not that god *
04:15:19 <phenny> [bjoern]: is (5), is not able (3)
04:15:25 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is not that god is not able to *
04:15:25 <phenny> [bjoern]: do (10), do certain things. god's (4)
04:15:33 <[bjoern]> .gs god's problem is not that god is not able to god's *
04:15:34 <phenny> [bjoern]: no results
04:15:41 <[bjoern]> @google ufail
04:22:49 <[bjoern]> .gc +iboey
04:22:50 <phenny> +iboey: 1,820
04:22:53 <[bjoern]> .gc +iobey
04:22:54 <phenny> +iobey: 847
04:56:06 <[bjoern]> Monty is not here, but still I would like to say.
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07:53:57 <_ulises> yoes plently
07:53:59 <_ulises> plenty
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07:57:34 <nsh> i can only accept yoes fair an amount at present
07:57:46 <Monty> nslater: You asked me to remind you that nsh should be reminding me about the Secret Garden Party
07:57:46 <nsh> yoes remaining will have to be temporary cached in siberian salt mines
07:57:53 <nsh> oh riet
07:58:02 <nsh> .o wa date secret garden party
07:58:07 <phenny> Couldn't handle your query. Suggestions: garden party Books: secret garden Islands: garden
07:58:30 <_ulises> nsh: you a chesterton fan?
07:58:44 <nsh> haven't read
07:58:50 <_ulises> ok
07:58:53 <nsh> started reading "on orthodoxy" and decided he was an idiot
07:59:03 <nsh> was probably not the best book to start on
07:59:07 <_ulises> hrm
07:59:09 <nsh> as it seems on further reflection that he isn't an idiot
07:59:11 <nsh> just a christian
07:59:16 <_ulises> I'm thinking on buying exactly that one :/
07:59:28 <_ulises> read tremendous trifles and loved it
07:59:43 <nsh> oh, just don't be a 16 angry agnostic zealot son of a preacher when you read it
07:59:47 <nsh> should be ok
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07:59:52 <nsh> 16 year old
08:00:08 <_ulises> ah, ok, cool 'cause I won't be 16 till 2011
08:00:12 <_ulises> so I can still read it
08:00:14 <nsh> i did recently read a chesterton poem
08:00:15 * nsh smiles
08:00:22 <nsh> that was good
08:00:26 <_ulises> which one?
08:00:30 <nsh> .g chesterton poem "by way of"
08:00:31 <phenny> nsh: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=177820
08:01:01 <nsh> beautiful to recite
08:01:30 <nsh> phenny ask sbp is u liek chesterton's rolling english road?
08:04:50 <nsh> do you think i should blag this job http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7228799&index=2&anchor=7228799
08:04:51 <nsh> ?
08:05:12 <nsh> i haven't touched any C code since 2002 when i modded unreal-ircd
08:05:21 <nsh> but i seem to remember that i was supremely awesome at it
08:05:40 <nsh> Gtk can
08:05:45 <nsh> 't be that hard either
08:06:15 <_ulises> gtk is pants
08:06:22 <_ulises> and rather awkward
08:06:56 <_ulises> however I'd say you go for it
08:07:01 <_ulises> there's a catch though
08:07:34 <_ulises> "Symbian or Windows Mobile" ;)
08:07:52 <_ulises> I thought you were coming to Glasgow though?
08:19:01 <nsh> yeah
08:19:12 <nsh> which is a shame
08:19:26 <nsh> because i was basically offered a job working in an english speaking playschool today
08:19:36 <nsh> but it would have been 6-12 months starting august
08:19:42 <nsh> gheigh, essentially
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08:23:41 <Monty> it's ephemerian!
08:29:33 <_ulises> hrm
08:29:42 <_ulises> how would you have liked that job though?
08:32:26 <nsh> kids are cool
08:32:32 <nsh> i'd get to speak englishes at them
08:33:00 <nsh> essentially, you just play for 8 hours a day
08:33:03 <_ulises> you could also go a taech teh englishes at the chinans
08:33:03 <nsh> what's not to like?
08:33:16 <_ulises> the snot?
08:33:35 <nsh> i was planning on making the most annoying kid the designated snot-handler
08:34:09 <_ulises> cunning!
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09:27:16 <sbp> yo
09:27:17 <phenny> sbp: 08 Jun 20:36Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://swhack.com/logs/2009-06-08#T20-36-00 - ur turn
09:27:19 <phenny> sbp: 00:42Z <Morbus> tell sbp you've probably already seen it, but http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html
09:27:21 <phenny> sbp: 00:44Z <Morbus> tell sbp "Boot Camp now includes HFS+ read support that enables you to access the files on your Mac OS X partition from Windows. " - no NTFS though :(
09:27:23 <phenny> sbp: 00:46Z <Morbus> tell sbp wow! quicktime now supports screen capture.
09:27:23 <phenny> [Sorry, some messages were elided and lost...]
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09:29:39 <_ulises> yo sbpmang
09:29:49 <_ulises> been waiting for you to wake the hell up
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09:31:19 <sbp> yo _ulises!
09:31:22 <sbp> _ulises: yeah, not Orthodoxy next
09:31:29 <_ulises> right
09:31:38 <_ulises> which one then? The everlasting man? Heretics?
09:31:57 <sbp> well, it's a tricky one. I'd say one of two:
09:32:04 <sbp> 1) his Autobiography
09:32:11 <sbp> 2) his biography of St. Thomas Aquinas
09:32:17 <_ulises> alternatively, other good good authors/books you'd recommend?
09:32:50 <sbp> yes, The Castle of Otranto, by Horace Walpole
09:34:21 <_ulises> hmm, lemme find it
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09:35:18 <_ulises> whalpole and gamer?
09:37:14 <_ulises> right, st thomas and st francis it'll be
09:37:50 <_ulises> sbp: how about http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1586170732/ref=pd_luc_chashrec_02_03
09:42:03 <sbp> _ulises: I didn't even know about that one!
09:42:10 <_ulises> oh!
09:42:15 <sbp> wonder if it's really a book he did, or a sort of compilation...
09:42:23 <_ulises> amazon doesn't say much
09:44:35 <sbp> this tab thing in Safari is really weird, and really annoying
09:46:03 <_ulises> what tab thing?
09:48:14 <_ulises> sbp: http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/CONVERSI.TXT
09:49:37 <sbp> well, it used to show all the tabs around the current tab in the tab bar
09:49:48 <sbp> so say you have tabs abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
09:50:05 <sbp> you might only have this many visible: [abcdEfghij]klmnopqrstuvwxyz
09:50:09 <sbp> E is the active tab there
09:50:17 <sbp> it shows you the tabs in the brackets
09:50:24 <_ulises> right
09:50:28 <sbp> and then gives you a little button to show a list of them all
09:50:32 <sbp> now, when you switch to P...
09:50:33 <_ulises> just like FF
09:50:43 <sbp> abcdefghijk[lmnoPqrstu]vwxyz
09:50:47 <sbp> it shows the tabs around it
09:50:51 <sbp> but now, that's changed!
09:50:55 <_ulises> oh?
09:50:57 <sbp> the display looks like this:
09:51:09 <sbp> [abcdefghiP]jklmnoqrstuvwxyz
09:51:12 <sbp> which is CRAZY
09:51:23 <_ulises> hmm
09:51:25 <_ulises> maybe
09:51:33 <sbp> I really don't know what the crap they're thinking
09:51:38 <_ulises> if you jump from tab to tab often enough
09:51:43 <sbp> apart from randomising all of the tabs, I'm not sure what could be worse
09:51:46 <_ulises> you'd end up with a window of your most visited tabs
09:51:50 <_ulises> but I know what you mean
09:52:13 <_ulises> it's like it's using an LRU for displaying tabs
09:52:19 <sbp> an LRU?
09:52:28 <_ulises> least recently used
09:52:41 <_ulises> so it replaces your least recently visited tab with the one you're switching to
09:52:51 <_ulises> it's a page caching algorithm
09:53:08 <_ulises> also:
09:53:11 <_ulises> .title http://chesterton.wordpress.com/
09:53:12 <phenny> _ulises: The Hebdomadal Chesterton
09:53:17 <_ulises> ever seen that?
09:53:30 <sbp> hmm, nope
09:53:46 <sbp> actually, yeah, I think I have
09:54:05 <_ulises> cool
09:56:08 <sbp> http://silenius.soup.io/post/21020812/Rule-34-Some-things-should-remain-innocent
09:58:06 <sbp> “More reliable disk eject” — cool
09:58:18 <sbp> from http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html
09:58:20 <sbp> via Morb
09:59:46 <sbp> “Snow Leopard introduces four new fonts: Menlo, a new monospace font for use in applications like Terminal; Chalkduster; Heiti J, K, SC, and TC; and Hiragino Sans GB.”
10:00:44 <sbp> “Safari 4 in Snow Leopard is more resistant to crashes. Browser plug-ins are the number one cause of crashes in Mac OS X, so they now run in a separate process. If a plug-in crashes, the content stops working but Safari continues to run. Just reload the page to resume using the plug-in.”
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10:03:17 <_ulises> what about chrome for mac? have you tried it?
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10:04:14 <sbp> yeah
10:04:18 <_ulises> any good?
10:04:27 <sbp> well, the main problem for me is getting the history information out of it
10:04:34 <sbp> and it uses an sqlite3 database
10:04:41 <sbp> so I need to check that out I suppose
10:04:45 <_ulises> hrm
10:05:15 <_ulises> well, I'm sure that there's already a tool out there to fetch that info out of the sqlite3 db and turn it into whatever you want
10:06:27 <sbp> yeah, I looked for one
10:06:32 <sbp> couldn't find anything though
10:06:37 <sbp> lots of stuff about bookmarks management
10:06:40 <sbp> but nothing about history management!
10:07:56 <_ulises> oh, right!
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10:09:02 <sbp> hmm
10:09:03 <sbp> $ which sqlite3
10:09:03 <sbp> /opt/local/bin/sqlite3
10:09:10 <sbp> so that might be something I have to build
10:10:01 <_ulises> what? the sqlite3 client?
10:10:11 <sbp> yeah
10:10:13 * sbp gets http://www.sqlite.org/sqlite-amalgamation-3_6_14_2.zip
10:10:19 <sbp> I'm trying not to use MacPorts
10:10:24 <_ulises> $ which sqlite3
10:10:39 <_ulises> /usr/bin/sqlite3
10:10:54 <_ulises> don't think I used macports :/
10:11:02 <_ulises> but then again, what do I know
10:11:03 <sbp> oh, cool!
10:11:18 <_ulises> it might've come with xcode ... mebbe
10:13:29 <sbp> ah, I've got 3.4.0
10:13:32 <sbp> yeah, mebs
10:13:57 <_ulises> I haz 3.4.0 too
10:14:08 <_ulises> $ sqlite3
10:14:08 <_ulises> SQLite version 3.4.0
10:50:10 <_ulises> The man clearly expects placid afternoons of unhurried buggery!
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11:21:05 <[bjoern]> News full of WWDC goodness
11:21:06 <[bjoern]> (not)
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11:52:37 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8089508.stm
11:52:38 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | Twitter hype punctured by study
11:53:35 <nsh> Just 10% of Twitter users generate more than 90% of the content, a Harvard study of 300,000 users found.
11:53:46 <nsh> HOLY SHIT I THINK THIS MAY BE THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS EVER BEEN FOUND TO BE THE CASE
11:54:02 <nsh> WE SHOULD FORMULATE A LAW REGARDING THIS RELATION
11:54:22 <nsh> AND LOCK IT UNDER A PUB IN AYREDALE AS IT WILL NEVER BE NEEDED AGAIN
11:54:39 <realist> Sounds like software 10% of the code does 90% of the work.
11:58:50 <sbp> .title http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/09/apple_backtracks_on_safari_4_0_tabs_on_top_zfs.html
11:58:52 <phenny> sbp: AppleInsider | Apple backtracks on Safari 4.0 tabs on top, ZFS
11:59:58 <sbp> phenny: tell xover “all mention of full ZFS support in Snow Leopard Server has been scrubbed” — AppleInsider
11:59:58 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
12:00:07 <[bjoern]> Perhaps you tell xover that.
12:01:51 <sbp> nurfriendsphenny
12:02:06 <sbp> doesn't seem like anybody is mentioning this really annoying tab behaviour
12:02:07 <[bjoern]> "Save up to $155 on new MacBooks and up to $369 on new MacBook Pros with special coupons"
12:02:20 <sbp> the [abcdefghiP]jk... thing
12:03:32 <sbp> I'm going to set tabs-on-top again too, I think
12:03:56 <[bjoern]> on your new zfs drive.
12:04:28 <sbp> hmm, this looks like the right value:
12:04:28 <sbp> NewTabBehavior = 0;
12:04:48 <[bjoern]> that's what they want you to think.
12:04:52 <sbp> $ defaults find com.apple.Safari | grep NewTab
12:04:52 <sbp> NewTabBehavior = 0;
12:04:59 <sbp> well, let's try it and see!
12:05:05 <sbp> or rather, I'll try it for you
12:05:29 <[bjoern]> Don't say I didn't not fail to uninform you about it.
12:06:30 <sbp> $ defaults write com.apple.Safari NewTabBehavior -int 1
12:07:06 <sbp> it did not work. I won't say that you didn't not fail to uninform me about it
12:07:19 <[bjoern]> Yes you will
12:07:49 <[bjoern]> Vielleicht nicht heute, vielleicht nicht morgen, aber bald, und dann für den Rest deines Lebens.
12:08:00 <sbp> YOU DIDN'T NOT FAIL TO UNINFORM ME ABOUT THIS!
12:08:04 <sbp> yeah, you're right
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12:08:52 <sbp> Dear Apple,
12:08:54 <sbp> AAAARGH.
12:08:56 <sbp> Yours,
12:08:58 <sbp> --sbp
12:14:40 <[bjoern]> "avajcovec points out a brief note on Collider.com that Comedy Central has ordered 13 new episodes of Futurama. Quoting: " - /.
12:15:11 <sbp> loads of people complaining about tabs on top:
12:15:12 <sbp> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2030856&tstart=0
12:15:32 <[bjoern]> I know who has the answer to that problem
12:15:46 <sbp> also http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2030617&tstart=0
12:15:59 <sbp> no, I'm not installing Opera
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12:16:13 <[bjoern]> U GUESS WONG
12:16:16 <[bjoern]> "Mozilla To Launch "Build Your Own Browser""
12:16:26 <_ulises> how about Lynx?
12:17:03 <[bjoern]> "Douglas Quenqua reports in the NY Times that according to a 2008 survey only 7.4 million out of the 133 million blogs the company tracks had been updated in the past 120 days meaning that "95 percent of blogs being essentially abandoned"
12:17:42 <_ulises> good
12:17:53 <[bjoern]> "There's a joke within the blogging community that most blogs have an audience of one." - yeah they are sophisticated like that
12:19:20 <w00t69> http://tribalradix.org/tribaldatatank/?p=34
12:19:25 <w00t69> .title
12:19:27 <phenny> w00t69: ed is on! @ tribaldatatank
12:19:58 <w00t69> i am a talking machine
12:20:47 <[bjoern]> When I complained about the bot shortage, that's not what I meant.
12:22:50 <nsh> that's not even a humourous observation, let alone a joke
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12:27:59 <sbp> .g "build your own browser"
12:28:00 <phenny> sbp: http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/09/build-your-own-browser.html
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12:50:48 <[bjoern]> I just had a positive encounter with the bureaucracy. That is extremely rare in my experience.
12:51:29 <[bjoern]> Perhaps 100 moons in the solar system are aligned just right for this hour.
12:55:39 <[bjoern]> .gc +hybraxi
12:55:40 <phenny> +hybraxi: 16
12:58:59 <[bjoern]> I am not sure this http://www.watchyourweb.de/ can really make humanoid younglings excercise better judgement when using the web.
13:04:12 <[bjoern]> .g "list of super heroes" "webman"
13:04:13 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found for '"list of super heroes" "webman"'.
13:11:38 <sbp> ooh, a syzygy
13:13:18 <[bjoern]> Compare to say http://www.ameliatillbryssel.se/english
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13:18:14 <sbp> [bjoern]: why is WATCH YOUR WEB named in English?
13:18:19 <sbp> and then the rest is in German?
13:18:23 <sbp> seems a bit... peculiar
13:18:28 <sbp> by which I mean stupid
13:20:51 <[bjoern]> German names in german sound about as good as english names in english.
13:22:55 <sbp> ah, thank you for putting it in a way which I understand
13:23:00 <sbp> (even if it didn't sound very good)
13:24:50 <[bjoern]> Sorry, running in a mode that maximizes compatibility with bureaucracy.
13:28:23 <sbp> careful you don't overheat
13:28:29 <sbp> drip yoghurt around your head
13:28:58 <[bjoern]> If I had food, that's not how I would use it.
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13:39:54 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia consider a function to add two values, so you get output = function(a, b): return a + b; and then a rearranged version such that you have either a = function(input, b): return input - b or b = function(input, a): return input - a. what do you call the latter two in relation to the first?
13:39:54 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
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13:51:10 <Charles> Isn't that just the inverse, sbp?
13:51:35 <[bjoern]> No, as it's not a bijection
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13:54:58 <[bjoern]> It's more like an inverse relation filtered to obtain a specific tuple.
13:56:30 <sbp> right
13:57:26 <sbp> I was wondering if it might be a partial inverse
13:57:40 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_function#Partial_inverses
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14:07:09 <nsh> .wik multivariate analysis
14:07:10 <phenny> "Multivariate analysis (MVA) is based on the statistical principle of multivariate statistics, which involves observation and analysis of more than one statistical variable at a time." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivariate_analysis
14:09:13 * nsh shrugs
14:10:09 <nsh> .wik inverse relation
14:10:10 <phenny> "In mathematics, the inverse relation of a binary relation is the relation that occurs when you switch the order of the elements in the relation." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_relation
14:10:47 <nsh> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_relation#Inverse_relation_of_a_function
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14:56:58 <[bjoern]> .wik Poul Nyrup Rasmussen
14:56:59 <phenny> "Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (pronounced [⁽ˈ⁾pʰʌʊ̯l ny(ː)ɔb̥ ˈʁɑsmusn̩]), informally Poul Nyrup (pronounced [⁽ˈ⁾pʰʌʊ̯l nyːˀɔb̥]), born June 15, 1943), was Prime Minister of Denmark from January 25, 1993 to November 27, 2001 and is currently a [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poul_Nyrup_Rasmussen
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15:12:47 <kpreid> it's the inverse of a partial application
15:13:07 <kpreid> if it were written as an equation one would say it's solved for a
15:13:34 <nsh> kpreid++
15:14:18 * Arnia boings
15:14:18 <phenny> Arnia: 13:39Z <sbp> tell Arnia consider a function to add two values, so you get output = function(a, b): return a + b; and then a rearranged version such that you have either a = function(input, b): return input - b or b = function(input, a): return input - a. what do you call the latter two in relation to the first?
15:15:52 <Arnia> phenny, tell sbp that if you treat the function as curried then it is an inverse of the first function partially applied
15:15:52 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
15:16:52 <nsh> that isn't the mathematical terminology though, is it Arnia?
15:17:02 <nsh> maybe in cat theory
15:18:45 <Arnia> I can't think of the term for the rearrangement, if there is one. Functions of multiple parameters are awkward... if you treat the function as a function from R x R -> R then it doesn't have an inverse, so you have to treat it curried as R -> (R -> R)
15:19:09 <Arnia> In which case once you apply it to one argument you get a function which can be given an inverse
15:19:32 <Arnia> Otherwise, I have no idea :)
15:22:11 * kpreid waves to Arnia
15:22:39 * Arnia waves to kpreid
15:24:12 <Arnia> I'm amused by the self-centred ignorance of the people on MacRumors complaining about the upgrade pricing for the iPhone 3GS
15:24:46 * kpreid lacks data and therefore has no opinion on the matter
15:24:47 <Arnia> Apparently the whole 'one subsidy per contract' thing is unheard of and is done simply to spite them
15:25:11 <Arnia> I'm wondering whether phone subsidy is that uncommon in the US
15:25:30 <kpreid> No
15:25:37 <kpreid> (if you mean "get a phone for $smallnum (with N-year contract)")
15:25:47 <Arnia> No, it isn't common?
15:25:59 <kpreid> No, it's not uncommon.
15:26:18 <kpreid> I think. I'm not big on following the phone market
15:26:59 <Arnia> It has been the usual way here in the UK for the past ten years or more
15:27:43 <Arnia> I'm a little surprised that so many people seem to think they have the right to upgrade at the subsidised rate whenever they feel like
15:27:52 <kpreid> When I was little my introduction to the concept was seeing Radio Shack advertising phones for 1¢
15:29:38 <Arnia> Then there are people complaining that Apple have failed because a rumour didn't materialise
15:29:58 <Arnia> with the implication that the rumours are promises by Apple to them
15:30:13 * Arnia shakes his head at the strangeness of folk
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15:59:16 <[bjoern]> .c 2!
15:59:16 <phenny> 2 ! = 2
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16:16:47 <sbp> Arnia, kpreid: thanks
16:16:47 <phenny> sbp: 15:15Z <Arnia> tell sbp that if you treat the function as curried then it is an inverse of the first function partially applied
16:16:49 <phenny> sbp: 15:26Z <Morbus> tell sbp could you take a look at http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/risus.htm and tell me what you think (the "rules", predominantly). unqualified opinion.
16:19:49 <kpreid> .c 1.5!
16:19:49 <phenny> 1.5 ! = 1.32934039
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17:26:24 <[bjoern]> hmm get the feeling there've been major changes in google's rankings
17:27:34 <sbp> why's that?
17:27:38 <sbp> .g swhack
17:27:38 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/
17:27:42 <sbp> works fine
17:28:22 <[bjoern]> Yeah I didn't say it's more broken than before.
17:28:37 <sbp> unpossible
17:28:45 <[bjoern]> .swhack gc sean palmer
17:28:53 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-12-14#T19-15-23
17:29:05 <[bjoern]> .swhack gc.*sean.*palmer
17:29:07 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-08-14#T18-52-04
17:29:18 <[bjoern]> .gc "Sean B. Palmer"
17:29:18 <phenny> "Sean B. Palmer": 7,870
17:29:38 <[bjoern]> 18:50:23 <sbp> .gc "Sean B. Palmer"
17:29:38 <[bjoern]> 18:50:28 <phenny> "Sean B. Palmer": 24,000
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17:30:12 <sbp> 18:50:03 <[bjoern]> .gc "Bjoern Hoehrmann"
17:30:12 <sbp> 18:50:05 <phenny> "Bjoern Hoehrmann": 99,800
17:30:18 <sbp> .gc "Bjoern Hoehrmann"
17:30:19 <phenny> "Bjoern Hoehrmann": 18,500
17:30:53 <[bjoern]> I get 126 000, but we are used to that
17:32:46 <sbp> yeah
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17:41:35 <w00t69> Quote of the day: "With the eyes of a mole, you better look twice before you roll." (Kain Schwarz)
17:49:47 <nsh> meh
17:49:55 <nsh> scans badly
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18:19:50 <cre8radix> http://socialcollider.net/
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19:04:08 <deltab> sbp!
19:05:21 <Arnia> Famous last words from an uninformed customer: "There is really no reason this couldn't be implemented for free"
19:12:58 <[bjoern]> yo
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19:36:30 <[bjoern]> .c ln 3
19:36:30 <phenny> ln(3) = 1.09861229
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20:00:43 <sbp> deltab: thanks!
20:00:49 <sbp> did see it, wasn't monitoring irc
20:01:14 <[bjoern]> They should have swhack reminders on tv.
20:01:24 <deltab> season 2 of Chuck starts on Virgin1 now
20:01:30 <nsh> sbp http://xkcd.com/593/
20:02:10 <deltab> and their new branding
20:11:42 <[bjoern]> .c 0!
20:11:43 <phenny> 0 ! = 1
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20:15:13 <[bjoern]> .c 3!
20:15:13 <phenny> 3 ! = 6
20:16:24 <[bjoern]> .c ln 1
20:16:24 <phenny> ln(1) = 0
20:19:50 <[bjoern]> .c 2*(0.5) + 2/3 * (0.5)
20:19:50 <phenny> (2 * 0.5) + ((2 / 3) * 0.5) = 1.33333333
20:30:46 <[bjoern]> .gc Schönfinkelisation
20:30:46 <phenny> Schönfinkelisation: 34
20:33:14 <[bjoern]> "While Curry attributed the concept to Schönfinkel, it had already been used by Frege."
20:33:19 <[bjoern]> .wik Gottlob Frege
20:33:19 <phenny> "Friedrich Ludwig Gottlob Frege (8 November 1848 – 26 July 1925) was a German mathematician who became a logician and philosopher." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlob_Frege
20:33:39 <[bjoern]> He's got the right birthday and nationality.
20:33:59 <sbp> nsh: heh, yeah
20:34:00 <[bjoern]> Now need to derive a proper name from his name
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20:34:53 <[bjoern]> It's not mutual.
20:38:59 <[bjoern]> .gc "Vormelsprache des reinen Denkens"
20:39:00 <phenny> "Vormelsprache des reinen Denkens": 0
20:39:03 <[bjoern]> .gc "Formelsprache des reinen Denkens"
20:39:03 <phenny> "Formelsprache des reinen Denkens": 639
20:49:03 <bancus> .ety archimandrite
20:49:04 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "archimandrite". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=archimandrite
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21:14:30 <[bjoern]> .c 2!
21:14:30 <phenny> 2 ! = 2
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21:28:02 <nslater> yo tav
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21:47:07 <[bjoern]> remind me in 45 minutes to check on the dead animals.
21:47:08 <Monty> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Tue Jun 09 23:32:19 BST 2009
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22:32:15 <Monty> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to check on the dead animals.
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22:39:01 <[bjoern]> countdown
22:39:01 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 2, 9, 2, 4, 4. Your target is 535. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
22:39:31 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
22:39:33 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
22:39:35 <Arnia> Hmm... the new Safari feels a lot snappier
22:40:32 <deltab> did you do something to annoy it?
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22:59:07 <Arnia> I suffer from far too many of these problems: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=709277
22:59:09 <Arnia> .title
22:59:11 <phenny> Arnia: You Know You're A Designer When... - Mac Forums
22:59:30 <Arnia> Right down to the cutlery one
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23:11:24 <kpreid> Arnia: Yeah? How many?
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