Swhack! 15 June 2009
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00:04:22 <Monty> welcome, tav
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00:43:11 <Monty> hi jeffarch, how ya doing?
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04:37:03 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's xjrn!
05:01:51 <[bjoern]> .gs shoot her with my *
05:01:53 <phenny> shoot her with my *: railgun (8), gun (8), raygun (6), glock (4), spray bottle (2), ray (2)
05:02:04 <[bjoern]> .gs blasting all the *
05:02:05 <phenny> blasting all the *: humans (8), way (4), hopes (3), west (2), troopers (2)
05:02:34 <[bjoern]> countdown
05:02:35 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 3, 6, 10, 9, 6. Your target is 305. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
05:02:38 <MoiraA> wow
05:02:59 <MoiraA> .gs shoot [bjoern] with my *
05:03:00 <phenny> MoiraA: no results
05:03:02 <[bjoern]> .c (10 - 6)*73
05:03:03 <phenny> (10 - 6) * 73 = 292
05:03:05 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
05:03:05 <MoiraA> bah
05:03:05 <[bjoern]> .c (10 - 6)*735
05:03:06 <phenny> (10 - 6) * 735 = 2 940
05:03:06 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
05:03:09 <[bjoern]> arg
05:03:23 <[bjoern]> countdown
05:03:23 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 10, 6, 6, 2, 9. Your target is 655. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
05:03:40 <[bjoern]> .c 10*(75 - 9)
05:03:41 <phenny> 10 * (75 - 9) = 660
05:03:53 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
05:03:55 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 16 milliseconds. I found all 98 solutions in about 62 milliseconds.
05:03:56 <Monty> ibot (75 + 10 - 6 - 6)*9 - 2
05:03:57 <phenny> ((75 + 10 - 6 - 6) * 9) - 2 = 655
05:04:03 <[bjoern]> scissors
05:04:03 <dahut> I had paper, [bjoern] wins.
05:04:03 <Monty> I chose paper - You win :(
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06:11:24 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://blindsearch.fejus.com/
06:11:24 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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06:26:21 <cre8radix> moin
06:28:28 <[bjoern]> Remember not to learn anything at all this week.
06:29:06 <[bjoern]> .gc +schloßss
06:29:07 <phenny> +schloßss: 15
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07:00:19 <[bjoern]> .wik Paul Doyle
07:00:19 <phenny> "Paul R. Doyle is an American politician." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Doyle
07:00:23 <[bjoern]> .wik Paul Doyel
07:00:24 <phenny> "Paul Doyle is an Irish sportswriter for the British newspaper The Guardian." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Doyle_(journalist)
07:01:33 <[bjoern]> .wik eyewear
07:01:34 <phenny> "Polaroid Eyewear manufactures polarized sunglasses [1]| and polarized lenses [2]|, as well as optical frames [3]|, reading glasses and Clip-Ons [4]|." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaroid_Eyewear
07:02:29 <[bjoern]> http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-content/uploads/vader-grip.jpg
07:02:58 <[bjoern]> http://pleasedontstare.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama51.jpg
07:03:57 <[bjoern]> http://www.eugenewei.com/images/misc2007/vader-liberty.jpg
07:06:17 <[bjoern]> http://mikesblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/vader.jpg
07:06:59 <[bjoern]> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/mrt-vader.jpg
07:08:45 <[bjoern]> http://www.layercake.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/darthballoonlarge.jpg
07:09:00 <[bjoern]> http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trans.jpg
07:09:38 <[bjoern]> http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/5/vader-backpack.jpg
07:10:31 <[bjoern]> http://www.offworld.com/oimages/spacein-vader.jpg
07:12:15 <[bjoern]> http://www.ismileyu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/darth_vader_sense.jpg
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07:18:08 <Monty> it's tobbez!
07:18:53 <nsh> dahut, !!1111!!333££""111!!!!
07:21:56 <[bjoern]> Sending greetings thy direction, puny nshling.
07:25:54 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: so you on strike now?
07:26:13 <[bjoern]> am I supposed to be?
07:26:25 <cre8radix> yep
07:26:31 <cre8radix> lol
07:26:39 <cre8radix> how the fuck would i know?
07:26:45 <cre8radix> are you a student
07:26:47 <cre8radix> ?
07:26:48 <[bjoern]> Ah, if you have a look at http://bildungsstreikmd.twoday.net/ you will agree that it's not obvious.
07:27:08 <[bjoern]> I am good at pretending to be one.
07:27:24 <cre8radix> heh
07:27:59 <cre8radix> seen this? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/SPD-Parteitagsantrag-gegen-Gesetz-zu-Web-Sperren-gescheitert--/meldung/140377
07:28:18 <[bjoern]> Yeah
07:28:29 <[bjoern]> I liked their reasoning
07:28:31 <cre8radix> suckage 2.0
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07:57:16 <[bjoern]> Shopping made him indecisive.
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08:57:50 <sbp> yo
08:58:01 <[bjoern]> I knew you'd gonna say that.
08:58:14 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus the “back cover”
08:58:14 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
08:58:24 <sbp> noyu
08:58:35 <[bjoern]> .yi
08:58:36 <phenny> Not yet...
08:58:48 <sbp> noyi either
08:59:23 <sbp> seen blindsearch by the way
08:59:29 <sbp> I think jsled was trying it out
08:59:53 <[bjoern]> I shocked myself prefering Yahoo! over Google several times.
09:00:00 <[bjoern]> Bing scored pityfully.
09:03:50 <[bjoern]> hmm http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html PowerShell, Haskell, Objective-C, Bash score oddly.
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09:04:08 * [bjoern] crosschecks with http://www.langpop.com/ ...
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09:06:47 <[bjoern]> #python seems overcrowded
09:07:57 <[bjoern]> .gc C__
09:07:59 <phenny> C__: 67,600
09:10:19 <sbp> #python isn't really a channel
09:10:27 <sbp> it's a nightmare that many people are having simultaneously
09:11:08 <[bjoern]> Sounds like a channel to me.
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09:25:09 <jessica> A helpful lad at bash defined an IRC channel as "best simulated by giving a high school chess club automatic machine guns and crystal meth."
09:25:55 <[bjoern]> I don't think people today can relate to high school chess clubs.
09:26:51 * jessica shrugs.
09:27:06 * jessica goes back to reading about indications for horse gelding.
09:27:10 <jessica> "It is best to assess each individual though, to determine the optimum gelding time. Some weanlings become preoccupied with nearby mares and may go through or over fences to get near them. In other cases, a long yearling may only quietly watch the mares. Others may develop an obsession with their penises and may devise various means of masturbation or self-mutilation."
09:27:11 <[bjoern]> much insight can be gained from comparing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Futurama_episodes to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Futurama-Episoden
09:27:53 <jessica> as far as I can tell, the basis for gelding a horse is exactly the opposite basis of stallion potential in a human male.
09:29:00 <[bjoern]> I should retranslate the german episode titles back into english
09:29:13 <[bjoern]> Or better yet have google do it.
09:47:23 <sbp> lads come in helpful now?
09:47:38 <[bjoern]> nu
10:05:58 <[bjoern]> .wik .eg
10:05:58 <phenny> ".eg is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Egypt." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eg
10:10:13 <[bjoern]> "Subject: The same old news again!"
10:12:56 <sbp> chuckle:
10:12:56 <sbp> $ make install
10:12:57 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c cjpeg /Users/sbp/packages/jpeg/bin/cjpeg
10:12:57 <sbp> install: /Users/sbp/packages/jpeg/bin/cjpeg: No such file or directory
10:12:57 <sbp> make: *** [install] Error 71
10:13:09 <sbp> major amounts of failsomeness
10:13:35 <[bjoern]> .wik Error 71
10:13:37 <phenny> "In telecommunication and information theory, forward error correction (FEC) is a system of error control for data transmission, whereby the sender adds redundant data to its messages, also known as an error correction code." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_error_correction
10:13:44 <[bjoern]> .wik Error 231
10:13:45 <phenny> "A speech error is a speech pattern that differs from some standard pattern." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_error
10:13:55 <[bjoern]> .wik Error 22
10:13:57 <phenny> "errno.h is a header file in the standard library of C programming language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errno.h
10:21:27 <sbp> hmm, you need to do make install-lib to install as a library (makes sense)
10:21:46 * sbp wonders whether to use ~/packages/local or ~/packages/libs for this
10:22:06 <[bjoern]> both too obvious
10:22:11 <sbp> heh, heh
10:24:28 <[bjoern]> Use the power of mental thinking.
10:24:39 <sbp> I am, I am!
10:25:12 <sbp> $ make install-lib
10:25:13 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 jconfig.h /Users/sbp/packages/local/include/jconfig.h
10:25:13 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./jpeglib.h /Users/sbp/packages/local/include/jpeglib.h
10:25:13 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./jmorecfg.h /Users/sbp/packages/local/include/jmorecfg.h
10:25:13 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./jerror.h /Users/sbp/packages/local/include/jerror.h
10:25:13 <sbp> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libjpeg.a /Users/sbp/packages/local/lib/libjpeg.a
10:25:18 <sbp> so much for libjpeg
10:26:34 <sbp> libpng looks more professional
10:26:51 <[bjoern]> libpng does not have a buildsystem
10:27:02 <[bjoern]> it rather autogenerates it from a cmake file.
10:27:41 <sbp> you have to ask whether that makes any difference to me, the user
10:27:52 <sbp> and the answer is it appears to make no difference to me, the user
10:27:53 <sbp> thankfullt
10:27:56 <sbp> tltty
10:28:46 <[bjoern]> Yes, next time stuff fails to build you can write angry incoherent hate mail to the developers demanding them to use CMake which will magically solve all problems.
10:28:50 <sbp> --
10:28:51 <sbp> Libraries have been installed in:
10:28:51 <sbp> /Users/sbp/packages/local/lib
10:28:51 <sbp> If you ever happen to want to link against installed libraries
10:28:51 <sbp> in a given directory, LIBDIR, you must either use libtool, and
10:28:51 <sbp> specify the full pathname of the library, or use the `-LLIBDIR'
10:28:53 <sbp> flag during linking and do at least one of the following:
10:28:55 <sbp> - add LIBDIR to the `DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH' environment variable
10:28:57 <sbp> during execution
10:29:01 <sbp> --
10:29:19 <sbp> at least one of the following
10:29:24 <sbp> and that's the only option. great!
10:29:41 <sbp> now zlib
10:30:06 <[bjoern]> It gives you the illusion of choice which makes you more comfortable. Like american elections.
10:30:22 <sbp> zlib seems to have worked too
10:31:02 <sbp> now to try making ImageMagick again with support for images
10:31:20 <[bjoern]> Why would you compile it with image support?
10:31:39 <sbp> the magick just by itself was getting lonely
10:31:54 <[bjoern]> I'd know what to do about that.
10:32:09 <sbp> find it a black magick woman?
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10:32:33 <[bjoern]> why, you have lesbian magick?
10:32:40 <sbp> .img lesbian magick
10:32:40 <phenny> sbp: http://img.rss.sexpromote.com/nyomi_tia_077.jpg
10:32:41 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=lesbian%20magick
10:35:48 <sbp> hmm, if I'd installed them to separate directories...
10:35:52 <sbp> I wonder if export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/sbp/packages would have worked?
10:35:57 <sbp> rather than export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/sbp/packages/local
10:36:22 <sbp> imma try it!
10:36:42 <[bjoern]> imma is not around.
10:36:51 <sbp> I'll try it myself then
10:39:25 <sbp> $ mkdir ~/packages/{libjpeg,libpng,zlib}
10:39:47 <sbp> $ tar -zxvf jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz && cd jpeg-6b/ && ./configure --prefix=/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg && make && mkdir ~/packages/libjpeg/{include,lib} && make install-lib && cd ..
10:40:15 <sbp> heh, it worked
10:41:10 <sbp> $ tar -jxvf libpng-1.2.37.tar.bz2 && cd libpng-1.2.37/ && ./configure --prefix=/Users/sbp/packages/libpng && make && make install && cd ..
10:42:31 <[bjoern]> Error! Please insert root password: _____________
10:42:55 <sbp> bj03rnsuXducks1o7z
10:43:05 <[bjoern]> Yours, not mine.
10:43:12 <cre8radix> :D
10:43:17 <sbp> you suck my duckslot?!
10:43:33 <sbp> scary revelations day, here on Swhack
10:44:32 <sbp> $ tar -jxvf zlib-1.2.3.tar.bz2 && cd zlib-1.2.3/ && ./configure --prefix=/Users/sbp/packages/zlib && make && make install && cd ..
10:44:52 <sbp> great, now for imagemagick again
10:45:54 <[bjoern]> .wik Tomboy
10:45:55 <phenny> "Tomboy is a girl who behaves according to the gender role of a boy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy
10:46:06 <sbp> okay, trying thisL
10:46:09 <sbp> :::
10:46:09 <sbp> $ tar -zxvf ImageMagick.tar.gz && cd ImageMagick-6.5.3.6 && export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/sbp/packages && mkdir ~/packages/imagemagick && ./configure --prefix=/Users/sbp/packages/imagemagick
10:46:26 <[bjoern]> You're slowly starting to sound like Haskell.
10:46:36 <sbp> fail, got the dirname wrong
10:46:42 <[bjoern]> With a perlish accent
10:46:43 <sbp> 6.5.3-6 not 6.5.3.6
10:46:45 <sbp> heh
10:47:27 <sbp> .gc "Ed E. Haskell"
10:47:28 <phenny> "Ed E. Haskell": 18
10:49:09 <sbp> nope, didn't work
10:50:59 <sbp> this is where a union mount would be really handy
10:51:35 <sbp> or a union ln
10:51:40 <sbp> that would be cool. union symlinks
10:53:17 <sbp> oddly enough it did find zlib
10:55:19 <sbp> okay, trying this:
10:55:20 <sbp> export CPPFLAGS='-I/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg -I/Users/sbp/packages/libpng -I/Users/sbp/packages/zlib'
10:55:20 <sbp> export LDFALAGS'-L/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg -L/Users/sbp/packages/libpng -L/Users/sbp/packages/zlib'
10:55:25 <[bjoern]> .gc "we're in a status quo"
10:55:26 <phenny> "we're in a status quo": 25
10:55:50 <sbp> (LDFLAGS=, even)
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10:57:50 <sbp> hmm, it still can't find libjpeg and libpng!
10:58:41 <sbp> hmm, it didn't even use my CPPFLAGS
10:58:52 <sbp> and I think I need /lib on the end of the LDFLAGS
10:59:22 <sbp> i.e. $ export LDFLAGS='-L/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg/lib -L/Users/sbp/packages/libpng/lib -L/Users/sbp/packages/zlib/lib'
10:59:32 <[bjoern]> Tell it to the claw.
10:59:47 <sbp> talk to the claw, the $what ain't listenin'?
11:00:49 <sbp> .title http://www.planet-cutie.co.uk/zoidy/moments5.htm
11:00:50 <phenny> sbp: The Top Ten Dr. Zoidberg Moments 2 / 1
11:01:13 <[bjoern]> Yours would make a good line too, though a bit long, and variable.
11:01:40 <sbp> "They're all like 'Stop spraying me with ink Zoidberg!' 'Put on pants Zoidberg!' 'Don't touch our fancy box Zoidberg'...Bah! Some day they'll watch, from down in the gutter they will, as King Zoidberg caresses their fancy box!"
11:02:12 <sbp> JPEG v1 --with-jpeg=yes no (failed tests)
11:02:13 <sbp> PNG --with-png=yes no (failed tests)
11:02:18 <sbp> MRRAAAUAGHH!
11:02:40 <sbp> looks like it needs the includes too
11:02:45 <sbp> but it won't listen to my CPPFLAGS
11:03:19 <[bjoern]> that sounds doubleplus ungood.
11:03:39 * sbp tries $ export CPPFLAGS='-I/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg/includes -I/Users/sbp/packages/libpng/includes -I/Users/sbp/packages/zlib/includes' anyway even though it didn't report using the previous one
11:03:53 <[bjoern]> I disagree with much of the top ten.
11:04:20 <sbp> you should write your own top ten, and to the wazoo factory with them!
11:04:50 <[bjoern]> sbp quiet, I'm deducing things!
11:04:57 <sbp> kk
11:05:25 <[bjoern]> See, that's an effective Zoidberg line.
11:05:32 <sbp> ooh, yes
11:05:40 <sbp> also: aaaargh, it still won't use my CPPFLAGS
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11:08:45 <sbp> weird
11:08:50 <sbp> config.log doesn't help
11:08:58 <[bjoern]> How is that weird?
11:10:56 <[bjoern]> This passes at imdb as Zoidberg quote: [[[
11:10:58 <[bjoern]> [singing]
11:10:58 <[bjoern]> Amy Wong: He knows when you are sleeping.
11:10:58 <[bjoern]> Professor Hubert Farnsworth: He knows when you're on the can.
11:10:58 <[bjoern]> Leela: He'll hunt you down and blast your ass / From here to Pakistan.
11:10:58 <[bjoern]> Dr. Zoidberg: Oh...
11:10:59 <[bjoern]> Hermes Conrad: You better not breathe / You better not move
11:11:01 <[bjoern]> Bender: You're better off dead, / I'm tellin' you, dude.
11:11:03 <[bjoern]> Fry: Santa Claus is gunning you down!
11:11:05 <[bjoern]> ]]]
11:11:07 <[bjoern]> -- http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0013047/quotes
11:12:23 <[bjoern]> "To: unicode@unicode.org / Subject: Hypersurrogates"
11:24:14 <[bjoern]> .gc +Lovemeister
11:24:15 <phenny> +Lovemeister : 596
11:45:00 <sbp> I should've added an and
11:45:19 <[bjoern]> We all should have and.
11:45:46 <sbp> and and anything else?
11:47:39 <[bjoern]> and everyone wants to be like germany.
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11:52:21 <sbp> even Austria?
11:53:19 <sbp> I don't really get Austria
11:53:20 <[bjoern]> No good response comes to mind.
11:53:28 <sbp> it seems exactly like Germany, only it doesn't do anything
11:53:47 <[bjoern]> They breed politicians for export.
11:54:15 <sbp> right, but apart from that
11:58:10 <sbp> ah... CPPFLAGS = $MAGICK_CPPFLAGS
11:58:18 <sbp> it doesn't use CPPFLAGS, it uses MAGICK_CPPFLAGS
12:00:57 <sbp> and that's initialised from... MAGICK_CPPFLAGS=$CPPFLAGS_USER
12:01:34 <sbp> which...
12:01:35 <sbp> $ grep CPPFLAGS_USER configure
12:01:35 <sbp> MAGICK_CPPFLAGS=$CPPFLAGS_USER
12:01:35 <sbp> MAGICK_PCFLAGS=$CPPFLAGS_USER
12:01:39 <sbp> ...isn't otherwise set
12:01:43 <sbp> so let's try setting that
12:06:31 <sbp> that worked in setting the value
12:06:35 <sbp> but the libs still fail tests
12:11:20 <sbp> whoops, did /includes rather than /include
12:12:58 <sbp> still not working...
12:16:07 <realist> Could've fallen out of my pockets in your room
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12:42:03 <sbp> heh, using the precompiled package:
12:42:06 <sbp> $ bin/convert
12:42:08 <sbp> dyld: Library not loaded: /ImageMagick-6.5.3/lib/libMagickCore.2.dylib
12:42:10 <sbp> Referenced from: /Users/sbp/stuff/ImageMagick-6.5.3/bin/convert
12:42:12 <sbp> Reason: image not found
12:42:14 <sbp> zsh: trace trap bin/convert
12:42:59 <sbp> oh, there are some instructions for this. good
12:43:26 <sbp> ugh, you have to set loads of envars
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13:04:43 <sbp> woah, somehow it works now
13:09:38 <sbp> for the record, all I did was:
13:09:39 <sbp> export CPPFLAGS='-I/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg/include -I/Users/sbp/packages/libpng/include'
13:09:39 <sbp> export LDFLAGS='-L/Users/sbp/packages/libjpeg/lib -L/Users/sbp/packages/libpng/lib'
13:09:45 <clsn> sbp: so I tinkered with a tiny tweak to clock.py to do the .t (cy_GB) thing I was talking about.
13:09:48 <sbp> figured I'd just miss out zlib
13:10:24 <sbp> but I think it was the fact I was using /includes in CPPFLAGS and then went to fix the variable name but didn't realise that I was using the wrong dirname and then fixed that *after* to /include
13:10:32 <sbp> clsn: oh?
13:10:56 <clsn> Yeah, lemme download your current version of clock.py and I'll paste a diff.
13:11:27 <[bjoern]> permission granted.
13:11:46 <clsn> Is there a bleeding-edge repository I should be looking at, or just grab the .tar.bz2 file?
13:11:52 <[bjoern]> Yes.
13:12:00 <sbp> yeah, get it from http://inamidst.com/phenny/modules/clock.py
13:13:57 <sbp> .gc "Gotham 206" Preston
13:13:57 <phenny> "Gotham 206" Preston: 1
13:14:03 <sbp> .g "Gotham 206" Preston
13:14:04 <phenny> sbp: http://home.earthlink.net/~v1tiger/rockthejoint.html
13:15:02 <sbp> by the way...
13:15:04 <sbp> “Emacs 23, the next major release, will have improved Unicode support.”
13:15:08 <sbp> so I installed it from CVS
13:15:13 <sbp> and apparently it's not quite done yet
13:15:18 <[bjoern]> The 23 did not make you suspicious?
13:15:21 <sbp> because on Tiger at least, you can't even input a ü
13:15:28 <sbp> of course
13:15:56 <lisppaste2> clsn pasted "clock diff" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/81869
13:16:20 <clsn> It's dumb, I know. For some reason it didn't like importing re, I had to give it a dumb other name.
13:17:11 <[bjoern]> data:text/html,&hellip
13:17:12 <clsn> sbp, try talking to la_fen, which is my copy. .t (he_IL), .t (yi_US), .t (zh_CN) etc.
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13:17:41 <sbp> hmm, yes, that's very peculiar
13:17:52 <sbp> la_fen?
13:17:55 <sbp> oic
13:17:59 <sbp> can you bring it in here?
13:18:03 <sbp> we can have some duplication funs
13:18:05 <[bjoern]> Funnily enough Opera and Firefox disagree on how to parse data:text/html,&hellip
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13:18:22 <clsn> When I just did import re, it whined about how I was using a local variable before assignment, blah blah.
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13:19:23 <clsn> .t (mai_IN)
13:19:23 <la_fen> सोमवार , 15 जून 2009 13:19:23Z
13:19:23 <la_fen> सोमवार , 15 जून 2009 13:19:23Z
13:19:23 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, I don't know about the '(mai_IN)' timezone.
13:19:42 <sbp> ooh, emacs 23 doesn't take any notice of my NO SYNTAX HIGHLIGHTING option
13:19:46 <clsn> hmm, she's running duplicate again.
13:19:50 <sbp> heh
13:19:52 <sbp> .t (mai_IN)
13:19:53 <la_fen> सोमवार , 15 जून 2009 13:19:52Z
13:19:53 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, I don't know about the '(mai_IN)' timezone.
13:19:56 <sbp> cool
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13:20:07 <sbp> ônoez!
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13:20:32 <clsn> sry, brought her back.
13:20:44 <clsn> .t (nn_NO)
13:20:44 <la_fen> måndag , 15 juni 2009 13:20:44Z
13:20:44 <sbp> .t (cy_GB)
13:20:44 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, I don't know about the '(nn_NO)' timezone.
13:20:45 <la_fen> Llun, 15 Mehefin 2009 13:20:44Z
13:20:45 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, I don't know about the '(cy_GB)' timezone.
13:20:59 <clsn> .t (el_GR)
13:21:00 <la_fen> Δευτέρα, 15 Ιούνιος 2009 13:20:59Z
13:21:00 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, I don't know about the '(el_GR)' timezone.
13:21:03 <sbp> well that's just crazyjizz
13:21:40 <clsn> .t (yi_US)
13:21:40 <la_fen> מאָנטיק, 15 יוני 2009 13:21:40Z
13:21:41 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, I don't know about the '(yi_US)' timezone.
13:24:26 <clsn> Note that nynorsk has the coolio å, (nn_NO), whereas (no_NO) is moar boaring:
13:24:31 <clsn> .t (no_NO)
13:24:31 <la_fen> mandag, 15 juni 2009 13:24:30Z
13:24:31 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, I don't know about the '(no_NO)' timezone.
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13:25:38 <sbp> phenny!
13:26:03 <phenny> sbp!
13:26:05 <sbp> la_fen!
13:26:05 <la_fen> sbp!
13:26:06 <[bjoern]> .g java util ArrayList
13:26:06 <la_fen> [bjoern]: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/ArrayList.html
13:26:06 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/ArrayList.html
13:26:10 <sbp> .t (cy_GB)
13:26:10 <la_fen> Llun, 15 Mehefin 2009 13:26:10Z
13:26:10 <phenny> Error: unsupported locale setting (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 478, in setlocale)
13:26:35 <sbp> .t (yi_US(
13:26:35 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, I don't know about the '(yi_US(' timezone.
13:26:35 <la_fen> sbp: Sorry, I don't know about the '(yi_US(' timezone.
13:26:36 <sbp> .t (yi_US)
13:26:36 <phenny> Error: unsupported locale setting (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 478, in setlocale)
13:26:36 <la_fen> מאָנטיק, 15 יוני 2009 13:26:36Z
13:27:24 <sbp> a certain amount of phenny error is happen
13:27:38 <sbp> clsn: do I need some crazy filestuffs for this?
13:27:45 <clsn> You have to have all the locales installed in the running system, presumably. I think I just checked off all of 'em.
13:28:02 <clsn> locale -a should show you what's there.
13:28:06 <clsn> More or less.
13:28:17 <clsn> .t (xh_ZA)
13:28:17 <phenny> Error: unsupported locale setting (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 478, in setlocale)
13:28:17 <la_fen> uMvulo, 15 eyeSilimela 2009 13:28:16Z
13:28:40 <clsn> And there should probably be error-checking.
13:28:46 <clsn> .t (blah_BLAH)
13:28:46 <phenny> Error: unsupported locale setting (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 478, in setlocale)
13:28:46 <la_fen> Error: unsupported locale setting (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/locale.py", line 478, in setlocale)
13:29:03 <[bjoern]> stfu?
13:29:03 <[bjoern]> stfu?
13:31:42 <sbp> sbp@helios:~$ locale -a
13:31:42 <sbp> C
13:31:42 <sbp> en_US.utf8
13:31:42 <sbp> POSIX
13:31:52 <sbp> such a rich array!
13:32:01 <clsn> Oog, you're so ethnocentric!!
13:32:14 <sbp> not me, crschmidt
13:32:21 <clsn> $ locale -a | wc -l
13:32:22 <clsn> 716
13:32:25 <sbp> hehe
13:32:44 <sbp> $ locale -a | wc -l
13:32:44 <sbp> 203
13:33:05 <[bjoern]> % locale -a
13:33:05 <[bjoern]> Der Befehl "locale" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder
13:33:05 <[bjoern]> konnte nicht gefunden werden.
13:33:24 <sbp> %?!
13:33:35 <sbp> also, why is my wc output indented?
13:33:36 <[bjoern]> I've been using % like forever?
13:33:37 <sbp> and clsn's isn't?
13:33:46 <[bjoern]> his client sux
13:33:50 <sbp> $ wc --version
13:33:51 <sbp> wc: illegal option -- -
13:33:51 <sbp> usage: wc [-clmw] [file ...]
13:33:54 <[bjoern]> or yours, depending on how you look at it.
13:34:00 <sbp> both
13:34:12 <sbp> mine's terrible. it has no option to wc a file as bytes when you have utf-8 locale set
13:34:24 <sbp> I should alias wc='LOCALE= wc'
13:34:46 <clsn> A lot of my locales are dups, like wa_BE and wa_BE@euro and wa_BE.iso88591 and wa_BE.iso885915@euro and wa_BE.utf8
13:35:02 <sbp> er, LANG even
13:35:52 <sbp> and actually, I take this back
13:35:58 <sbp> it seems to be working on binary files
13:37:30 <[bjoern]> So it's only an issue with unary and trinary+ files.
13:37:39 <clsn> Yeah.
13:37:58 <clsn> Unary files are a pain; they take up so much space. But they compress well.
13:39:06 <sbp> yeah...
13:39:31 <sbp> actually they only compress well if you can compress to binary
13:40:21 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "~/packages" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/81871
13:41:05 <clsn> Good point.
13:43:56 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #81871 "~/bin" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/81871#1
13:45:10 * clsn has a shell function "lsd" that lists only directories.
13:45:30 <sbp> hehe
13:45:34 <clsn> lsd ()
13:45:34 <clsn> {
13:45:34 <clsn> /bin/ls -1AF $* | grep / | column -c ${COLUMNS:-77};
13:45:34 <clsn> echo
13:45:34 <clsn> }
13:45:46 <clsn> When you're as cluttered as I am, it's helpful.
13:46:29 <sbp> I didn't really need the -F
13:46:33 <[bjoern]> helpfullier is not using the terminal.
13:46:35 <sbp> since I have -f or something I think
13:46:48 <sbp> hmm, nope, -F
13:46:48 <sbp> $ which ls
13:46:48 <sbp> ls: aliased to ls -aF
13:47:07 <sbp> oh, it must have worked out it was being piped
13:47:12 <sbp> because I didn't specify -1
13:47:19 <sbp> I figured -F was like -f1 or something
13:47:35 <sbp> so I could've just done ls | grep ...
13:47:42 <clsn> I have ls aliased to ls -F too.
13:47:49 <sbp> no -a?
13:48:06 <clsn> No, tho maybe I should. And -1 isn't necessary when piping, but I did it anyway.
13:48:06 <Monty> kk
13:48:19 <clsn> ls checks if its output is a terminal.
13:48:27 <sbp> yeah
13:48:33 <clsn> You have to say -C if you want that behaviour on a non-term.
13:49:06 <sbp> hmm. ls has no option to show when a symlink is broken?
13:49:07 <clsn> Huh, it should probably be "$@" and not $*, actually.
13:49:17 <sbp> yeah
13:49:33 <clsn> No, it doesn't, I think. By rights ls doesn't know from broken or not... except when it's colorized.
13:49:37 <[bjoern]> Want Haskell for, grep { only the strings as long as the longest string } @list
13:50:39 <clsn> wc to my surprise has an option to show length of longest line.
13:50:47 <clsn> at least the wc on my system.
13:51:20 <sbp> hmm, find -L . -type l says some page
13:51:44 <sbp> cool, it works
13:51:53 * clsn kind of misses LANG=C; used to be when I did ls -a, all the dot files and dirs were on top. now they're interspersed because of "smarter" sorting.
13:52:01 <sbp> heh
13:52:06 <sbp> LANG=C ls...
13:52:44 <sbp> <clsn> No, it doesn't, I think. By rights ls doesn't know from broken or not... except when it's colorized.
13:52:55 <sbp> see, I thought if it could show the information in colour...
13:53:01 <sbp> then it ought to be able to show it in text
13:53:09 <clsn> You would think so. But it sounds like the authors didn't.
13:53:21 <clsn> They seem to have coded the check for the colors, but not for an option.
13:53:49 <sbp> .u l
13:53:49 <phenny> U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L (l)
13:53:50 <la_fen> U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L (l)
13:54:18 <sbp> hmm, listing binaries by package would be neat
13:55:06 la_fen has parted #swhack ()
13:55:15 <clsn> There can be only one phenny.
13:58:06 <sbp> wow, and there's no ls option to just print the full absolute path name
14:00:38 <sbp> hmm, this seems like it ought to work:
14:00:39 <sbp> $ withcd / =ls -L $PWD/*(@)
14:00:41 <sbp> but it doesn't
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14:04:20 <sbp> $ ls -l *(@) | awk '{print $11}' | sed "s%^${HOME}/packages/%%" | sort
14:04:22 <sbp> (kinda works)
14:05:01 <sbp> [bjoern], clsn, and anyone else:
14:05:07 <sbp> my router sucks. any suggestions for a replacement?
14:05:12 <sbp> xover? kpreid? jsled?
14:05:24 <jsled> what do you have?
14:05:31 <sbp> need a few ethernets out, and wireless
14:05:36 <sbp> hmm, I have some Linksys crap
14:06:03 * sbp goes and looks for a more exact product name
14:06:20 * jsled got the wrt 54 gl, and put dd-wrt on it w/o incident, have been pretty happy.
14:06:46 <clsn> I'm no expert; I buy what's cheap and use it until it falls apart.
14:07:00 <sbp> dunno, it just says 802.11b
14:07:22 <[bjoern]> never done routers.
14:07:44 <sbp> hmm. not sure I want to get a Linksys again
14:07:50 <sbp> this one keeps cutting out random sites
14:08:00 <sbp> and the wireless strength has started to fluctuate
14:08:10 <sbp> random sites: all works fine again when I reset it
14:08:54 * sbp looks for a few reviews
14:10:47 <sbp> none of the router review pages will know
14:10:54 <sbp> my router knows I'm looking for a replacement
14:11:00 <sbp> er, will show
14:14:20 <sbp> man, some of these things are hella expensive
14:15:18 <sbp> there's an engadget thread with some glowing reviews for the D-Link DIR-825
14:15:23 <sbp> but looks kinda expensive
14:16:48 <sbp> might be one of those cases where you pay for something not to be shit
14:16:58 <sbp> but £100 for a router does seem somewhat... excessive
14:18:12 <sbp> I'm surprised there isn't a standard answer for this
14:18:21 <sbp> sorta like when I was searching for music sites yesterday
14:18:28 <sbp> 79p/track at iTMS seemed crazy to me
14:18:38 <sbp> so I went looking around for alternatives, and there are loads...
14:18:48 <sbp> but no really good indication as to which is best
14:18:59 <sbp> emusic kept coming up a lot, but it's some crazy subscription-only thing
14:19:20 <sbp> you can't even search their catalogue until you sign up to a cancel-or-we'll-charge-you trial
14:20:06 <[bjoern]> There is shoutcast radio...
14:20:10 <sbp> heh
14:20:42 <sbp> it's no wonder people torrent stuff if legal downloading is going to be so extortionate still
14:20:43 <[bjoern]> I checked if it was still incredibly sucky a week ago; it's not.
14:20:51 <sbp> oh yeah?
14:21:49 <[bjoern]> aols listings server has some hikkkups, other than that I can't complain much; recent versions of vlc have support built in.
14:22:25 <[bjoern]> There is even tolerable music, like http://somafm.com/ for example.
14:22:56 <sbp> well I'm mainly looking for specific fairly obscure things
14:23:30 <[bjoern]> That is why you'll never be happy.
14:23:32 <sbp> e.g. that complete chronological set of Django Reinhardt recordings
14:23:34 <sbp> heh
14:23:51 <sbp> it's a 15 CD set, iTMS has it... but that comes to like £120
14:24:00 <sbp> which is crazy for music that'll be in the public domain in a decade or two
14:24:15 <[bjoern]> you wish.
14:24:23 <sbp> pending the mouse
14:24:54 <sbp> I don't know why they don't just give Disney a perpetual copyright and set the copyright limits for everything else back to a sane level
14:25:26 <clsn> Because then they'd have to admit they're giving it special treatment.
14:25:40 <sbp> well, everybody already knows that anyway
14:25:47 <[bjoern]> Which they should, more special treatment, more bribes, more goodness.
14:26:54 <clsn> Yeah, but you can't admit it. It's like opening up an official government department in charge of routing bribes (and calling it that)
14:27:02 <sbp> hehe
14:27:20 <sbp> there must be one somewhere...
14:27:26 <sbp> hidden in the bowels of government
14:27:41 <sbp> okay, so I can't get a router
14:27:43 <sbp> too expensive
14:27:45 <sbp> and I can't buy music
14:27:49 <sbp> too expensive
14:27:56 <sbp> is there anything else I can't spend my money on?
14:28:02 <clsn> Try sending it to me.
14:28:09 <sbp> you're too expensive
14:28:18 <clsn> You don't know the half of it.
14:28:23 <sbp> heh, heh
14:28:29 <[bjoern]> not sure how to phunrecronym Bribe ... Tax Act
14:28:37 <sbp> ah, we're having an enquiry into the Iraq War
14:28:41 <sbp> but it's going to be in public
14:28:55 <sbp> after the PM spent a couple of weeks promoting openness and transparency in govt.
14:29:04 <sbp> er, but it's going to be in *private* (of course)
14:29:14 <[bjoern]> several things of what you are saying do not make ... right
14:29:16 <sbp> because otherwise that would make sense
14:29:19 <sbp> which wouldn't make sense
14:30:12 * clsn wonders if he should review http://www.korensiddur.com/ (the book, not the site), on typographic grounds.
14:30:45 <[bjoern]> Yes, and offer individual criticism of each scender.
14:30:49 <sbp> site is terrible
14:31:09 <[bjoern]> .gc "longer than your hair in the 80s"
14:31:11 <phenny> "longer than your hair in the 80s": 4
14:31:26 <clsn> I hate flash-only sites. But they KNOW their hebrew typography. They KNOW how to lay out a book.
14:31:36 <clsn> Dudes, HANGING PUNCTUATION fercryinoutloud.
14:31:38 <[bjoern]> it's pix, not flash, for me anyway.
14:31:43 <[bjoern]> well the front page.
14:31:48 <[bjoern]> still
14:31:50 <[bjoern]> I like my suggestion
14:32:05 <sbp> it's telling me it loaded
14:32:08 <sbp> and then shows nothing
14:32:10 <clsn> (the hanging punctuation is on the English side)
14:32:12 <sbp> and there's an error reported
14:32:13 <sbp> so
14:33:54 <sbp> I'm kinda surprised python3 doesn't install a python3 binary
14:33:57 <sbp> only python3.0
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14:41:31 <nsh> sbp
14:41:36 <nsh> what's going on in the commons?
14:41:42 <nsh> been watching iran all day
14:42:21 <nsh> apparantly Brown is doing some words or something
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14:47:38 <sbp> Cameron's asking for wider inclusivity into the inquiry
14:47:49 <sbp> and to have its extent widened to what it thinks relevant
14:48:00 <sbp> "it should try to avoid apportioning blame"
14:48:05 <sbp> Cameron says it should do the opposite
14:48:14 <sbp> nsh: enquiry into the Iraq war
14:48:28 <sbp> now he's asking about US, Kurdish, and Iraqi records
14:48:30 <nsh> ah right
14:48:31 <sbp> that are held in British archives
14:48:42 <sbp> scope of the enquiry, wants that checked
14:48:58 <sbp> openness and transparency...
14:48:59 <nsh> how about unchecked
14:49:03 <nsh> that would be a nice scope
14:49:05 <nsh> for once
14:49:06 <sbp> he's saying there should be some public sessions
14:49:09 <sbp> many will want and expect it
14:49:15 <sbp> and it will build public confidence
14:49:22 <nsh> heh
14:49:30 <sbp> "some" public sessions
14:49:32 <nsh> that's exactly what it won't do if it's not a sham
14:49:37 <nsh> (build confidence)
14:49:43 <sbp> Cameron notes there's no debate on this
14:49:52 <nsh> mm
14:49:52 <sbp> says Brown's openness thing only lasted a week
14:50:04 <sbp> will he put these failings right?
14:50:08 <sbp> Brown stands up
14:51:00 <sbp> Brown just says no, they're all dealt with
14:51:11 <sbp> Cameron mouths things at him from the opposite benches
14:51:16 <nsh> lol
14:51:24 <nsh> makes "Loser" sign on forehead
14:51:31 <sbp> hehe
14:51:53 <sbp> foreign accounts in British archives will be allowed
14:52:28 <sbp> now he's saying the Conservatives were much worse about the Falklands enquiry
14:52:35 <sbp> only gave a written statement, not even one in the house
14:52:37 <sbp> etc.
14:52:59 <nsh> BBbBBBBBBUT FALKLANDS!!11
14:53:03 <sbp> yeah
14:53:05 <nsh> weak
14:53:15 <sbp> wonder how many of the present Shadow Govt. were even in the govt. back then? heh
14:53:27 <sbp> Sir John Chilcot will lead the enquiry
14:53:29 <nsh> and the whips overtaxed the thirteen colonies, i seem to remember
14:53:30 <sbp> .wik Sir John Chilcot
14:53:32 <phenny> "On February 3, 2004, the British Government announced an inquiry into the intelligence relating to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction which played a key part in the Government's decision to invade Iraq (as part of the U.S.-led coalition) in 2003." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Review
14:53:34 <nsh> perhaps all can be forgiven!
14:53:39 <nsh> *whigs
14:53:40 <sbp> so it'll be called the Chilcot Enquiry I suppose
14:53:48 <sbp> heh
14:53:54 <nsh> they'll have to sex that up a bit
14:54:01 <nsh> Chilcot sounds like a kind of open sore
14:54:08 <sbp> man Brown is banging on
14:54:16 <sbp> blah blah blah
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14:54:43 <nsh> Arnia, please to be provide some antiblah
14:55:04 <sbp> oops, they shouted at something
14:55:08 <sbp> missed what he said though
14:55:10 <sbp> Clegg up
14:55:27 <Arnia> What sort of antiblah?
14:55:55 <nsh> full artistic licence in effect, Arrnia
14:56:14 <sbp> Clegg calls it a cover up
14:56:46 <sbp> "a sceret enquiry conducted by a clutch of hand picked grandees"
14:56:51 * nsh imagines Clegg saying "POWER-UP LIBDEM REBUTTOCAST" in best 80's cartoon voice
14:57:02 <sbp> he's pretty close
14:57:20 <sbp> Cameron failed in asking for details
14:57:24 <sbp> Clegg's going for bombast
14:57:29 * nsh has to walk dog chore
14:57:31 <sbp> asks for interim reports
14:57:31 <nsh> bbiab
14:57:47 <sbp> ah, he says the majority should be open
14:57:55 <sbp> not a few as Cameron said
14:58:52 <sbp> "he has failed, he has chosen secrecy"
14:59:10 <sbp> "to build public trust, the enquiry must be held in public"
15:01:23 <sbp> Brown says a public enquiry would be too slow
15:01:30 <sbp> because people always want lawyers in that case
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15:25:01 <sbp> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/15/iran-opposition-rally-banned-mousavi
15:25:03 <phenny> sbp: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei orders inquiry into vote-rigging claims in Iranian poll | World news | guardian.co.uk
15:26:14 <clsn> yeah, heard about that this morning.
15:30:01 <sbp> .thesaurus individual
15:30:02 <phenny> sbp: separable, singular, separate, discrete, distinct, single, specific, different / particularized, special, private, exclusive, particular, specific, personal / unusual, distinctive, original, idiosyncratic, individualistic, characteristic, peculiar, unique, singular, personal
15:30:04 <sbp> .thesaurus single
15:30:05 <phenny> sbp: solitary, on its own, lone, sole, solo, only / particular, distinct, separate, specific, definite / unmarried, unattached, lone, free
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15:39:36 <nsh> MEBBES THEY WANT LAWYERS BECAUSE TEHYS HAS BRUNKET SAM LAWS
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16:21:36 <sbp> ah, Bob Ainsworth MP is on the news!
16:21:44 <sbp> or Bob Ain't-worth-it as one paper called him
16:21:51 <sbp> or Bollocks Bob as another paper called him
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16:38:33 <sbp> Tony Benn on the enquiry
16:38:46 <sbp> he says it's simply not an enquiry into why we went to war
16:39:56 <sbp> remit is absolutely wrong
16:40:01 <sbp> delay is deliberate
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17:01:36 <sbp> xover: ping
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17:11:51 <[bjoern]> .leo weather
17:11:52 <phenny> weather = das Wetter, die Witterung
17:11:53 <phenny> all-weather a. (meteo.) = Allwetter...
17:11:54 <phenny> all-weather = für jedes Wetter
17:11:55 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=weather
17:12:03 <[bjoern]> Fitting, don't you think
17:12:30 <nslater> what does the leo service do?
17:12:48 <xover> ack
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17:33:58 <[bjoern]> .gc +runing
17:33:58 <phenny> +runing: 214,000
17:34:17 <[bjoern]> .gc +runing runes
17:34:17 <phenny> +runing runes: 2,110
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17:48:46 <sbp> [bjoern]:
17:48:47 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0088
17:48:48 <phenny> sbp: Re: Review Comments for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-05 from Sean B. Palmer on 2009-06-15 (www-archive@w3.org from June 2009)
17:49:08 <sbp> xover: nevermind, was going to ask about v.w.o
17:49:15 <sbp> but decided not to use it in this email
17:51:53 <[bjoern]> Do I really want to read messages referencing the "Web Linking" draft in the subject?
17:52:11 <sbp> don't worry, it's very short and is mainly a Simpsons quote
17:54:27 <[bjoern]> Your Simpsons quotish tone makes your message unprofessional.
17:55:12 <sbp> well it was that or this Spiderman quote...
17:57:20 <[bjoern]> Can't even read what you are responding to. Why aren't people publically flamed anymore if they write TOFU and worse?
17:59:10 <sbp> well if they write TOFU they aren't following WHAT WG guidelines
17:59:16 <sbp> which is surely much worse than a flaming
17:59:28 <[bjoern]> We could make an I-D quoting darobin's httprange summary.
17:59:44 <sbp> see http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Should_I_top-post_or_reply_inline.3F
17:59:47 <sbp> chuckle, yeah
18:00:04 <sbp> it's so easy to make an I-D these days, too
18:00:13 <sbp> did you know that? did you know they've made it easier?
18:00:15 <[bjoern]> they are practically self-publishing
18:00:17 <sbp> it's easier now, you should try it
18:00:26 <[bjoern]> I told you, that's how you know.
18:00:30 <sbp> yeah
18:01:40 <[bjoern]> <xover> We should all jump on the HttpRange14 thread
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18:02:38 <[bjoern]> can't find his summary
18:02:48 <sbp> [bjoern]: this was the best bit:
18:02:50 <sbp> --
18:02:51 <sbp> >>> I believe that distributed extensibility based on URIs is good.
18:02:51 <sbp> >>
18:02:51 <sbp> >> Where do you use it, incidentally?
18:02:51 <sbp> >
18:02:51 <sbp> > Myself? In WebDAV (properties, protocol extensions such as condition names
18:02:53 <sbp> > or report names). In JCR (Java Content Repository), identifying property and
18:02:55 <sbp> > node types. When extending other people's XML vocabularies. All the time,
18:02:57 <sbp> > really.
18:02:59 <sbp> --
18:03:01 <sbp> >>> and > are Julian Reschke
18:03:04 <sbp> >> is me
18:04:02 <[bjoern]> You are substantially more entertained by this than I am!
18:06:28 <sbp> 23:46:50 <bjoern_> [[[
18:06:28 <sbp> 23:47:00 <bjoern_> [21 Jun 05 22:44] <darobin> I love that resolution
18:06:28 <sbp> 23:47:00 <bjoern_> [21 Jun 05 22:44] <darobin> "if it's there you get stuff, if it's elsewhere you could get something else, and if it's not there you know nothing"
18:06:28 <sbp> 23:47:00 <bjoern_> [21 Jun 05 22:45] <darobin> good thing we've got the TAG!
18:06:28 <sbp> 23:47:00 <bjoern_> ]]]
18:06:35 <sbp> — http://swhack.com/logs/2005-11-17#T23-46-50
18:06:55 <sbp> also, I didn't say I was entertained by it
18:07:15 <deltab> wartime decoys on BBC1 now
18:07:28 <[bjoern]> You are entertained by everything you find worth mentioning!
18:07:41 <sbp> heh, you got me there didn't you...
18:07:46 <sbp> well there is a nice balance to it
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18:08:04 <[bjoern]> So why can't google find the quote?
18:08:14 <sbp> “distributed extensibility based on URIs is good!” “where do you use it?” “WebDAV, Java, XML...” “ah, I see...”
18:08:31 <sbp> .gc "if it's there you get stuff"
18:08:32 <phenny> "if it's there you get stuff": 0
18:08:42 <sbp> because Google is extremely, extremely annoying sometimes
18:08:50 <[bjoern]> http://blindsearch.fejus.com/?q=%22good+thing+we%27ve+got+the+TAG%21%22&type=web
18:09:00 <[bjoern]> bing and yahoo got it
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18:09:09 <[bjoern]> Someone please resurrect meta search engines.
18:09:25 <sbp> hehe
18:09:41 <sbp> bing put 2005-11-17 at the top
18:09:42 <sbp> so bing wins
18:10:10 <[bjoern]> I think he said that in #svg, didn't he
18:10:22 <[bjoern]> So there would appear to be a problem with the #svg logs
18:10:23 <sbp> yeah, think so
18:10:25 <sbp> yeah...
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18:10:26 <Monty> howdy, Morbus
18:11:01 <[bjoern]> right http://svg.jibbering.com/
18:12:02 <sbp> aw man, it's all a sploded
18:12:09 <sbp> phenny: ask JibberJim what happened to the #svg logs
18:12:09 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when JibberJim is around.
18:12:48 <[bjoern]> I like http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/httpRange-14/HttpRange-14.html
18:13:20 <sbp> yeah. the best bit is that it has no content and cites wikipedia:Mars
18:14:03 <[bjoern]> Also has a "et. al."
18:14:28 <sbp> hehe
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18:17:34 <[bjoern]> "Akin to metasearch, the popular use of the term "metabrowsing" describes an alternative way to viewing Web-based information other than a single Web-page at a time. "Simply put, metabrowsing is a tool or service that enables the user to view more than a single Web page at a time inside a single display unit.""
18:17:42 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "Swhack: Strange References to Mars et. al."
18:17:57 <sbp> .gc metabrowsing
18:17:57 <phenny> metabrowsing: 1,570
18:18:11 <sbp> not popular enough to be a real 25,000+ word yet
18:18:22 <[bjoern]> I was going for the shorter "NOT EVEN A WORD!"
18:18:23 <sbp> though maybe if you use bing or Yahoo!...
18:18:56 <sbp> anyway, incorrect use of meta-
18:19:00 <sbp> multibrowsing would be more like it
18:19:04 <[bjoern]> "Metasearch engines are sometimes used in vertical search portals, and to search the deep web"
18:19:17 <sbp> please stop
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18:20:12 <sbp> subtle buzzword torture is in the Geneva convention, isn't it?
18:20:46 <sbp> actually though, it is rather Freudian now that I look at it again
18:20:55 <[bjoern]> If you `/nick pow` perhaps
18:20:56 <sbp> with your vertical search portals and your deep web
18:21:18 <[bjoern]> I feared it might have been too subtle.
18:21:21 <sbp> Sean B. Palmer, Swhackgruppekapitan, UTF-8
18:21:41 <[bjoern]> Gruppenkapitän.
18:22:03 <sbp> I'd never have bluffed my way out of Colditz
18:22:11 <[bjoern]> Gruppe might be okay too but then you need a dash there I think
18:22:17 <sbp> ew, dash
18:24:44 <sbp> hmm, Unihan means Han unification
18:24:51 <sbp> didn't know that. figured the Uni- was for Unicode
18:25:34 <sbp> .wik Ideographic Rapporteur Group
18:25:35 <phenny> "The Ideographic Rapporteur Group (IRG) advises the Unicode Consortium and the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2 on Han character additions to the repertoire of the Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646-1 (Universal Multiple-Octet Coded Character Set) character set standards, and on Han unification." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideographic_Rapporteur_Group
18:25:41 <[bjoern]> unified han characters
18:26:24 <[bjoern]> http://www.metacca.com/ is much much too slow to be usable
18:26:51 <sbp> well it does search a hundred engines
18:26:52 <[bjoern]> also hideous urls
18:26:56 <sbp> maybe they should've focussed a bit more
18:27:11 <[bjoern]> but it does have "If Swhack Were A MOO..." on #6 for a search for swhack
18:29:18 <sbp> heh, I was just looking at Swhack results too
18:29:21 <sbp> yeah, I remember that
18:30:21 <[bjoern]> agent55.com combines slowness with annoyance
18:30:36 <[bjoern]> ah now it emits a message with advice on how to proceed if i think it's too slow
18:30:59 <[bjoern]> has identi.ca/tag/swhack on #5
18:31:19 <sbp> why do search enginges have this strange idea that the older something is on the web, the better it is?
18:31:23 <[bjoern]> which has three postings, all by danja
18:31:42 <[bjoern]> I am unsure they have that
18:31:59 <[bjoern]> I am also unsure the idea is strange.
18:32:30 <sbp> yeah, I was going to make a big joke out of it
18:32:37 <sbp> but then I realised that the big jokes are all the converse of that
18:33:55 <[bjoern]> http://www.yooci.com/search?q=swhack&l=any&t=Search is quick, not much annoying, and the results are not crap either. No idea what it realls does though.
18:34:08 <[bjoern]> ah maybe "AlltheWeb: 100% ullet Ask: 0% ullet Entireweb: 0% ullet MSN: 0%" is a hint
18:34:17 <[bjoern]> rtf ftw.
18:35:01 <sbp> Members of #swhack that use Rhythmbox on Wakoopa?
18:35:23 <sbp> http://www.yooci.com/search?q=Sean+B.+Palmer&l=any&t=Search
18:35:27 <sbp> -> no results found
18:36:17 <sbp> "good thing we've got the TAG!" works though
18:36:17 <[bjoern]> back in the day mateger.de was ftw; today, for swhack, #1 is paste.lisp.org, #2 "| The Swhacker Broadhead! | Opens so fast, you can hear the SWHACK! |"
18:36:30 <[bjoern]> #5 is twitter/swhack
18:36:37 <sbp> The Swhacker Broadhead? hmm
18:37:05 <[bjoern]> yeah we talked about that before
18:37:14 <sbp> no way
18:37:23 <sbp> .gc site:swhack "Swhacker Broadhead"
18:37:24 <phenny> site:swhack "Swhacker Broadhead": 0
18:37:27 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com "Swhacker Broadhead"
18:37:28 <phenny> site:swhack.com "Swhacker Broadhead": 0
18:37:34 <[bjoern]> .swhack swhacker.com
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18:37:40 <sbp> see. the inaccurate search engine agrees with me
18:37:41 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-07-31#T20-53-25
18:37:53 <[bjoern]> loggyfail
18:38:00 <sbp> and my inaccurate command agrees with you
18:38:06 <sbp> oh, wait, no
18:38:07 <sbp> that's right
18:38:09 <sbp> it's a regexp
18:38:12 <[bjoern]> [13 Apr 09 23:09] * [bjoern] * .g daterange:2454927-2454934 swhack
18:38:12 <[bjoern]> [13 Apr 09 23:09] * phenny * [bjoern]: http://www.swhacker.com/gallery.php?Qwd=./gallery&Qif=ivanwi2008.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
18:38:12 <[bjoern]> [13 Apr 09 23:09] * [bjoern] * .title
18:38:12 <[bjoern]> [13 Apr 09 23:09] * phenny * [bjoern]: | The Swhacker Broadhead! | Opens so fast, you can hear the SWHACK! |
18:38:15 <sbp> swhacker com(ment)
18:38:21 <sbp> .swhack swhacker\.com
18:38:31 <[bjoern]> well it should find it either way
18:38:39 <sbp> well yes
18:39:12 <deltab> Swhack has strange references to Marsden too
18:39:23 <sbp> Catherine Marsden?
18:40:11 <deltab> Eric
18:40:18 <sbp> ah! ahaha
18:41:30 <[bjoern]> Wolfram Alpha can give me the julian day number when going for, say, "ten days ago", but not sure how to specifically ask for that...
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18:41:49 <deltab> although a Google search for [swhack marsden] brings up something... different
18:42:51 <deltab> “»»» Now online: Live Adult sex webcam infobot chatrooms ... www.james-marsden.com/images/albums/events/2008/ ... IRC log of swhack on 2001- 09-21. AaronSw would turn on his webcam but I'm not going to start up classic ... sex-webcam-chatrooms.com/?search=sex+webcam+infobot - Similar”
18:43:43 <[bjoern]> scary http://paste.lisp.org/display/10893,1/raw
18:43:52 <sbp> we need a sex webcam infobot
18:44:50 <[bjoern]> http://www.metacrawler.de/ starts okay for swhack (searching intl pages) but then goes drain teh down.
18:46:33 <MoiraA> sbp, bigpresh will make one
18:50:12 <[bjoern]> phenny, "'swhack'에 해당되는 글 0건"?
18:50:13 <phenny> [bjoern]: "'swhack' thing in that article 0" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
18:50:55 <MoiraA> what did I not understand?
18:56:32 <[bjoern]> Monty: 2.0 out of 5 stars Low End Security Bit Set - Know the diffrences
18:56:35 <Monty> newuser test suite the link.exe seems pretty evil
18:56:57 <[bjoern]> Monty: feel how the greater being comes.
18:56:58 <Monty> at that music
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19:01:20 <[bjoern]> .gc metaporn
19:01:21 <phenny> metaporn: 5,540
19:01:27 <deltab> sbp: Springwatch!
19:10:23 <nsh> .o wa antonym broken
19:10:27 <phenny> broken->antonyms;cracked->unbroken, unkept->unbroken, dotted->unbroken
19:30:16 <nsh> .o wa antonym dysfunctional
19:30:19 <phenny> dysfunctional->antonyms
19:30:24 <nsh> fail
19:31:33 <jessica> phenny, tell sbp that's hilarious because everything on machines I control is set to en_UK.
19:31:33 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:32:26 <jessica> Actually, why do we distinguish? Seriously. It ain' that fuckin' hard.
19:32:50 <nsh> .t est
19:32:50 <phenny> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:32:50 EST
19:33:13 <jessica> We're still in summer time, sweet heart, so actually it's gone half three.
19:33:50 <nsh> someone said obama addressing iran issue at 5pm EST is all
19:34:03 <nsh> would that be EST+1 then?
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19:35:41 <jessica> Wait, Iran issue? They stole the election. They had the constituency that votes with AK-47s.
19:35:55 <jessica> What I find hilarious is everyone getting nervous about North Korea and their nukes.
19:36:05 <jessica> They have no missiles worth mentioning, no testing system, and no fucking money.
19:37:01 <clsn> .t edt
19:37:01 <phenny> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:37:01 EDT
19:37:18 <jessica> I mean, in a hilarity trifecta, the U.S., China and South Korea keep "loaning" them money, in the same way that you loan money to a younger brother.
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19:38:16 <jessica> The only way that they can actually get the nukes to South Korea is to do Trashcan Man from The Stand, and I think they might notice some dude with all of his hair falling out crossing the DMZ.
19:39:04 <jessica> my thoughts are extrapolated upon at length in http://jpallan.blogspot.com/2009/06/are-we-korea-ing-to-nuclear-war.html
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19:58:03 <sbp> hmm?
19:58:03 <phenny> sbp: 19:31Z <jessica> tell sbp that's hilarious because everything on machines I control is set to en_UK.
19:58:15 <sbp> phenny: tell jessica that should be en_GB
19:58:15 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jessica is around.
19:58:43 <jessica> sbp: Actually, it's cute little OS X icon.
19:58:44 <phenny> jessica: 19:58Z <sbp> tell jessica that should be en_GB
19:58:56 <sbp> ah, okay
19:59:03 <sbp> if you're setting LANG or something you need to use en_GB though
19:59:11 <jessica> Who the hell under the age of 65 cares about the cricket anymore?
19:59:22 <sbp> heh, heh. JibberJim?
19:59:24 <sbp> anyway, off. 'night!
19:59:34 <[bjoern]> wait, too early!
19:59:50 <jessica> A Scouser friend of mine explained that she knows plenty of people who care about the cricket.
19:59:57 <jessica> I was sort of, um, who?
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