Swhack! 19 June 2009
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00:59:17 <Monty> welcome, MacTed
01:18:41 <[bjoern]> Monty: sing da ling ding dong.
01:18:44 <Monty> MERKEL ON BBC news | Getting inside a robin's nest!
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01:22:13 <jsled> lol
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07:28:03 <Monty> welcome, cre8radix
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08:20:03 <cre8radix> moin
08:20:03 <phenny> cre8radix: 18 Jun 15:08Z <[bjoern]> tell cre8radix http://asset.soup.io/asset/0357/4790_f2be.jpeg
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09:27:01 <sbp> yo
09:31:41 <sbp> .title http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/06/irans_internet_dilemma.html
09:31:42 <phenny> sbp: BBC - dot.life: Iran's internet dilemma
09:33:25 <sbp> North Korea got a place in the World Cup finals
09:33:35 <sbp> for the first time since 1966. and on that 1966 team, someone comments:
09:33:39 <sbp> [[[
09:33:39 <sbp> "People said that during their time in England they were drinking and womanising," Mr Shim recalled.
09:33:40 <sbp> "It was rumoured that some of them were sent to the coal mines as a punishment, and that was why our team never again achieved such greatness."
09:33:47 <sbp> ]]] — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8107875.stm
09:35:17 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8108319.stm
09:35:19 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | England | Hampshire | Duck charms restaurant customers
09:40:10 <sbp> [[[
09:40:11 <sbp> Jordan added there was "absolutely not a chance" that the sport could sustain two rival series next season.
09:40:21 <sbp> ]]] — http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm
09:40:27 <sbp> I wonder though; it happened in America
09:40:30 <sbp> CART and IRL
09:40:52 <sbp> sounds like the breakaway FOTA series would be like CART, and the FIA formula would be like IRL
09:41:06 <sbp> which is pretty bad news for the FIA, heh
09:44:25 <cre8radix> l8r dudes
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09:57:01 <sbp> hmm, Monza and Montreal aren't confirmed for next year yet
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10:02:59 <sbp> hmm, yes, there are a number of tracks they could use
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10:03:18 <sbp> familiar F1 tracks that aren't in next year's F1 schedule, I mean
10:03:20 <sbp> --
10:03:20 <sbp> * Silverstone
10:03:21 <sbp> * Nürburgring
10:03:21 <sbp> * Adelaide
10:03:21 <sbp> * Jerez
10:03:21 <sbp> * Fuji
10:03:22 <sbp> * San Marino
10:03:24 <sbp> * Magny-Cours
10:03:26 <sbp> * A-1 Ring
10:03:28 <sbp> * Aida
10:03:30 <sbp> * Indianapolis
10:03:32 <sbp> * Estoril
10:03:34 <sbp>
10:03:36 <sbp> * Monza
10:03:38 <sbp> * Montreal
10:03:41 <sbp> --
10:04:03 <mib_3e0cmzh5> hi
10:04:09 <sbp> mib_3e0cmzh5: hi
10:04:19 <mib_3e0cmzh5> tell me some live TV online site
10:04:20 <sbp> Macao or Pau might substitute for Monaco, perhaps
10:04:34 <sbp> what? no. you tell us!
10:04:38 <mib_3e0cmzh5> sbp, hi
10:04:41 <sbp> quick, we want to know
10:04:47 <sbp> quick. tell us some live tv online site
10:04:51 <mib_3e0cmzh5> ok
10:04:52 <sbp> please. please you tell us
10:04:52 <mib_3e0cmzh5> wait
10:04:57 <sbp> mib_3e0cmzh5: k thanks!
10:05:03 <mib_3e0cmzh5> http://www.goodgofamily.com/2009/04/28/cbn-news.html
10:05:20 <sbp> woah, tv
10:05:29 <mib_3e0cmzh5> but, it 'd better tell me one about bbc's question time program
10:05:34 <mib_3e0cmzh5> or similiar one
10:05:40 <sbp> hmm
10:05:46 <sbp> there is www.bbc.co.uk
10:05:50 <sbp> but you can only get that in the UK
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10:06:04 <sbp> I don't know what people outside the UK use
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10:06:45 <mib_3e0cmzh5> i have visited that site, but it provide only clips instead of the whole
10:07:30 <Charl> yeh the beeb are royal cunts for only making it available within the UK.
10:07:49 <sbp> mib_3e0cmzh5: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
10:08:08 <sbp> mib_3e0cmzh5: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00l8516/Question_Time_18_06_2009/
10:09:26 <mib_3e0cmzh5> thanks sbp, i have checked it
10:09:29 <sbp> good
10:09:31 <sbp> yw
10:09:51 <mib_3e0cmzh5> is said that only radio can been listened since im a foreigner, why?
10:10:03 <sbp> because the BBC is funded by the license payer
10:10:09 <sbp> and only UK people pay the license fee
10:10:15 <sbp> the BBC has no advertising
10:10:19 <sbp> it does not get its money from there
10:10:29 <sbp> it gets it through a kind of tax on the UK people
10:10:34 <sbp> so only the UK people get the service
10:11:03 <mib_3e0cmzh5> i see, do you have any way to resolve this problem for me?
10:11:13 <sbp> no, I don't know of any way
10:11:27 <sbp> well, you could try to find a torrent
10:11:43 <sbp> Google for [bbc torrent site] perhaps
10:12:00 <mib_3e0cmzh5> how about trying a proxy in uk?
10:12:10 <sbp> maybe, I don't know
10:14:05 <Jibbler2> sbp: the obvious flaw is that non licence payers in the uk can watch iplayer
10:15:28 <mib_3e0cmzh5> yes
10:15:52 <sbp> two flaws; UK citzens abroad can't
10:16:07 <Jibbler2> heh yeah, it's a bit silly
10:16:08 <mib_3e0cmzh5> yes
10:16:23 <Jibbler2> no doubt the law will be changed in a few years' time
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10:19:38 <mib_3e0cmzh5> proxy(in uk) do not work, still been recognized as foreigner
10:23:17 <mib_3e0cmzh5> hi
10:23:18 <mib_3e0cmzh5> hi
10:24:57 <Talliesin> They quite likely block some known proxies for that reason
10:26:21 <mib_3e0cmzh5> right, talliesin, could you create a proxy server with your pc, so i can use your pc as proxy,
10:27:16 <Talliesin> Well, The office firewall here would get in your way.
10:27:38 <Talliesin> Then there's the fact that this is a lap-top and doesn't have anywhere near a permanent home on the Internet.
10:28:06 <Talliesin> Finally there's the fact that I'm in Dublin so I'm blocked from that content too.
10:28:12 <Talliesin> All in all, not the best plan.
10:28:35 <mib_3e0cmzh5> heh, do you know some free online live tv, conversation program in best
10:29:03 <Talliesin> Obviously Michael Collins should have thought about this when negotiating the treaty.
10:29:40 <Talliesin> Or perhaps Churchill had even more foresight than he is credited with, in not giving us access to BBC Internet content.
10:30:27 <Talliesin> I don't watch TV myself, so I'm happy enough.
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11:09:09 <sbp> [[[
11:09:10 <sbp> "I have known Bernie since 1964 and can't say many negative things about what he has done for F1," he says, "but some of these countries we're going to have little or no interest. You can't sell it all on television rights, you can't have empty grandstands. We have to put back into the sport."
11:09:17 <sbp> ]]] — http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/5552179/Sir-Jackie-Stewart-rages-at-Formula-Ones-civil-war.html
11:09:27 <sbp> that annoys me too. I'd actually be kinda happy in a sense about a new championship
11:09:38 <sbp> I think it's more unlikely than likely at this point
11:09:49 <sbp> but if it did happen, I'd hope they'd get some classic tracks in
11:10:12 <sbp> the worst of the new ones must be Valencia
11:10:21 <sbp> absolutely awful track
11:15:06 <sbp> good article:
11:15:08 <sbp> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jun/19/is-this-the-end-of-f1
11:15:09 <phenny> sbp: This high-powered stand-off might not be the end of the road for F1 | Richard Williams | Sport | guardian.co.uk
11:21:03 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2009/jun/19/derren-brown-enigma-adelphi-review
11:21:03 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
11:25:17 <sbp> “Nadal has been drawn in the same half as Murray, while Novak Djokovic and Federer are on the other half of the draw.”
11:25:22 <sbp> — http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/19/andy-murray-wimbledon-draw
11:25:28 <sbp> clever (Nadal is injured)
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11:25:53 <[bjoern]> niyo
11:26:10 <sbp> appropriate greetings to you, captain of the [b] glyphs!
11:26:20 <sbp> for it is a day of much interesting news
11:26:37 <[bjoern]> A day of much interesting news it is, are you certain?
11:26:46 <sbp> nope, I'm making stuff up
11:27:03 <[bjoern]> I believe you may be making stuff up now.
11:27:04 <sbp> but I have been having fun figuring out which tracks the breakaway F1 faction might use next year if they did go ahead
11:27:23 <sbp> FOTA announced they're staging their own championship
11:27:30 <[bjoern]> You have not told me about this breakaway F1 faction before.
11:27:39 <sbp> yeah, it was announced last night. so F1 will split in two
11:27:45 <sbp> if things remain as they stand
11:28:00 <sbp> the Guardian thinks a compromise will still be made:
11:28:04 <sbp> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jun/19/is-this-the-end-of-f1
11:28:05 <phenny> sbp: This high-powered stand-off might not be the end of the road for F1 | Richard Williams | Sport | guardian.co.uk
11:29:02 <sbp> of course, the FIA would have a huge problem
11:29:07 <sbp> because what they have is:
11:29:11 <sbp> * the name "F1"
11:29:17 <sbp> * most, but not all, of the tracks
11:29:26 <sbp> * Williams, Force India, and three new teams
11:29:40 <[bjoern]> * Ecclestone
11:29:41 <sbp> which does not really look like it would make the most compelling championship
11:29:44 <sbp> heh, yes...
11:30:04 <sbp> here are some of the tracks I worked out are available to FOTA, though:
11:30:04 <sbp> --
11:30:05 <sbp> * Silverstone
11:30:05 <sbp> * Nürburgring
11:30:07 <sbp> * Adelaide
11:30:09 <sbp> * Jerez
11:30:11 <sbp> * Fuji
11:30:15 <sbp> * San Marino
11:30:17 <sbp> * Magny-Cours
11:30:19 <sbp> * A-1 Ring
11:30:21 <sbp> * Aida
11:30:23 <sbp> * Indianapolis
11:30:25 <sbp> * Estoril
11:30:27 <sbp>
11:30:29 <sbp> * Monza
11:30:31 <sbp> * Montreal
11:30:33 <sbp> --
11:30:35 <sbp> Silverstone have already said they'd consider being a venue for a FOTA championship
11:30:37 <sbp> Monza and Montreal are still in negotiations with the FIA
11:30:40 <sbp> but could swing
11:30:49 <sbp> tracks like Monaco and Spa would be a problem
11:31:02 <sbp> where Monaco is concerned, I've wondered about Macao or Pau
11:31:54 <sbp> as some article pointed out, the more difficult thing would be getting TV rights worked out
11:32:19 <sbp> and there's the problem that Bernie has already said he'd sue Ferrari for millions of pounds if they broke away, due to that contract disagreement
11:35:15 <sbp> I guess the name and the key tracks are the big problem
11:35:49 <sbp> and when Indycar split in 1995, it did fuck things up for them quite a bit
11:36:03 <sbp> CART was kinda like FOTA are now, they have the bulk of the good things
11:36:10 <sbp> but it did weaken it
11:36:40 <sbp> (hmm, Elkhart Lake would be a good FOTA venue)
11:37:57 <[bjoern]> .title http://mps-expenses.guardian.co.uk/
11:37:58 <phenny> [bjoern]: Investigate your MP's expenses
11:38:48 * sbp looks at his own MP's expenses
11:44:31 <sbp> hmm. I tried to submit the form about an item
11:44:34 <sbp> and it gave: “This feature is currently disabled”
11:44:41 <sbp> could've told me that before I filled it in...
11:45:19 <[bjoern]> Maybe they want people to submit them but not incur any obligations, like reading what you submitted.
11:45:26 <sbp> heh, heh
11:46:01 <[bjoern]> actually I get a big red "This site is currently running in read only mode while we perform some maintenance - hold your clicks, we'll be back up soon."
11:46:46 <sbp> yeah, I get that too now
11:46:55 <sbp> maybe that explains it
11:47:18 <[bjoern]> You mean one of them is on #swhack and trying to confuse us with it?
11:47:26 * sbp eyes Guest40355
11:52:40 <sbp> hmm, no, that feature is still disabled
11:52:45 <sbp> which is annoying because I found something interesting
11:53:04 <[bjoern]> You could twitter about it.
11:53:21 <sbp> oh, it's read only again
11:54:33 <[bjoern]> "An appeals court ruling which affirms that owners of obscene comics can be sent to prison raises troubling questions for aficionados of extreme art. Critics fear that the tentacles of big government are wrapping around our private lives." - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/jail-sentence-for-hentai-owner-raises-first-amendment-issues.ars
11:56:33 <[bjoern]> "You aren't taking network effects into account. I'm young, and most of my friends are in their 20s. Some of them never check their emails, and insist that I send everything to them through myspace. Why? Because all of their friends use myspace too, and none of their friends email that often."
11:57:47 <sbp> “Whorley was also convicted of a second obscenity count for writing an e-mail describing a sexual fantasy that was regarded as deviant by a jury.”
12:02:05 <[bjoern]> "why are the most incompetent articles imaginable being posted?" - /.
12:05:58 <[bjoern]> there are some smiles in http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/sport/fussball/2009/6/18/news-123084337/detail.html
12:07:37 <[bjoern]> .wik Merkel cells
12:07:37 <phenny> "Merkel cells are oval receptor cells found in the skin of vertebrates that have synaptic contacts with somatosensory afferents." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkel_cells
12:09:59 <sbp> .title http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/
12:09:59 <phenny> sbp: Why Git is Better Than X
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12:32:59 <Monty> hi Arnia, how ya doing?
12:37:30 <clsn> sbp: you a git maven?
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12:54:52 <sbp> clsn: no, I hate git
12:58:22 <clsn> Reasonable. Anyone hear a git genius? Git did something weird at me last night and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.
12:59:27 <sbp> don't use git is how I'd fix it
12:59:38 <sbp> but I understand. more and more people are using git
12:59:55 <sbp> I guess darcs and hg just aren't primetime enough
13:00:03 <sbp> and github seems to be a web2.0ish draw for people
13:00:09 <clsn> I started liking it. But I'm doing hg more now, and understand that a little better.
13:00:16 * Arnia likes darcs
13:00:17 <clsn> hg feels like "git lite" to me.
13:00:22 <sbp> I like darcs and hg pretty much equally
13:00:45 <sbp> darcs has a better design, but I keep hearing it's slow for large repos, and I did have some problems that I documented somewhere on Whits but can't remember the basis of now
13:00:51 <Arnia> Any VCS which is modelled using the same maths as is commonly used for QM is a win
13:00:58 <sbp> so I switched to hg, and that didn't have the same issues but it's definitely not as well designed
13:03:08 <sbp> oh actually it was the other way around
13:03:15 <sbp> the hg web stuff really pissed me off (still does)
13:03:18 <sbp> so I was going to use darcs
13:03:25 <sbp> but I had the following problem with darcs:
13:03:25 <clsn> hg does the job, and I've discovered there is SO MUCH to hate about svn. Git seems to me to provide far too much rope.
13:03:35 <sbp> --
13:03:36 <sbp> Except that I didn't end up using darcs instead. The darcs get --partial thing lets you download a repo with only a certain set of the most recent changes, but I thought this used some magic to work out how much to send when in fact it requires you to do a special checkin.
13:03:43 <sbp> Moreover, when someone wants to upgrade from a --partial repo to a full one, you can't just issue some command to do that other than deleting your partial repo and downloading from scratch the whole thing. Suboptimal
13:03:43 <sbp> --
13:03:53 <sbp> from http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/11#mercurial
13:04:30 <clsn> I was just thinking it would be useful to have a pull that didn't pull the WHOLE repository, but only recent version(s). Which would in a sense bring us back to the centralized model again.
13:04:43 <[bjoern]> Secretly people hope that Git will suck cock as it matures.
13:04:47 <clsn> But in point of fact, I tend to think of these things as centralize anyway.
13:05:17 <sbp> also I'd tried migrating from hg to darcs using Tailor
13:05:19 <sbp> but it didn't work
13:05:34 <sbp> data lockin is really annoying
13:05:42 <sbp> I still use hg, but if Tailor didn't work...
13:05:53 <clsn> Migration from svn to hg was fairly painless.
13:06:03 <sbp> like what if git becomes the only really usable dvcs?
13:06:12 <sbp> what about migration from hg to git?
13:06:16 * sbp looks into it
13:06:36 <clsn> I was liking git, and probably would like it more if I hadn't had to study up on hg instead.
13:06:42 <sbp> hmm. http://git.grml.org/?p=hg-to-git.git;a=summary
13:10:55 <sbp> clsn: hmm! seen this?
13:10:57 <sbp> .title http://hg-git.github.com/
13:10:57 <phenny> sbp: Hg-Git Mercurial Plugin
13:11:07 <clsn> Oright, yes, I've seen that.
13:11:14 <clsn> Basically lets you access git as if it were hg.
13:12:13 <sbp> yeah
13:21:07 <[bjoern]> .gc "go shag a tree"
13:21:08 <phenny> "go shag a tree": 8
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13:23:25 <sbp> ooh, Google Books has changed
13:23:29 <sbp> looks like a better interface
13:24:05 <sbp> yeah, seems so
13:25:49 <[bjoern]> you mean less horrible
13:26:07 <sbp> yeah...
13:26:09 <[bjoern]> that would indeed seem to be the case, superficially at least
13:26:44 <[bjoern]> I am dissecting my pizza with a very sharp knife.
13:27:16 <sbp> imaginary pizza?
13:27:35 <[bjoern]> Oh i wish I had imaginary pizza
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13:28:20 <Monty> hey leobard
13:28:38 <clsn> Hmm at first entry on http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ . I thought hg (at least) did branching without making a copy of the directory too.
13:33:57 <clsn> If you have to make subdirs for branching, that doesn't count as "supporting" branching.
13:35:29 <clsn> Ogeez. It comes in multiple languages. Including http://lol.whygitisbetterthanx.com/
13:35:52 <sbp> web2.0 chic
13:37:07 <clsn> I guess.
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13:51:57 <[bjoern]> .gc "bail out my pants"
13:51:57 <phenny> "bail out my pants": 0
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14:50:25 * sbp tries installing subversion into ~/packages again
14:50:36 <sbp> decided to build its dependencies into ~/packages/subversion
14:52:43 <sbp> looks like I need:
14:52:43 <sbp> * libapr
14:52:43 <sbp> * libapr-util
14:52:44 <sbp> * sqlite
14:52:44 <sbp> * libz (already got it)
14:52:45 <sbp> * libneon
14:52:47 <sbp> * openssl (already got it)
14:53:31 <sbp> hmm, looks live I've got sqlite too
14:57:31 <sbp> hmm, so once apr is installed it looks like you have to do:
14:57:32 <sbp> apr-util-1.3.7
14:57:32 <sbp> $ ./configure --prefix=/Users/sbp/packages/subversion --with-apr=/Users/sbp/packages/subversion
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15:01:31 <sbp> hmm. and yet neon says:
15:01:32 <sbp> SSL library: SSL support is not enabled
15:01:39 <sbp> but it looks like I've got openssl around
15:03:43 <[bjoern]> .gc "that's no space station"
15:03:43 <phenny> "that's no space station": 1,240
15:04:05 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5604_ba2f_480.jpeg
15:04:10 <sbp> /usr/include/openssl
15:04:14 <sbp> not like it's in a weird place
15:04:30 <sbp> heh, what?
15:04:37 <[bjoern]> heh http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5603_e7fb.png
15:04:58 <[bjoern]> Well it's a ad for counterfeit Obama blackberry or whatever
15:05:09 <sbp> blockberry
15:06:45 <sbp> ah, it doesn't like my sqlite either
15:06:45 <sbp> checking sqlite library version (via header)... unsupported SQLite version
15:06:45 <sbp> no
15:07:01 <sbp> picky, much?
15:07:03 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5433_1c04.jpeg
15:08:05 <[bjoern]> this i like http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5302_2ce8_480.png
15:09:05 <[bjoern]> pure evil http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5624_1c0d_480.jpeg
15:09:25 <[bjoern]> makes me kinda dizzy in fact
15:11:05 <clsn> oright, that guy's stuff; he has a lot of really really unbelievable illusions.
15:17:28 <[bjoern]> .gc "penetrable source"
15:17:28 <phenny> "penetrable source": 1
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15:18:09 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's chris2!
15:19:09 <[bjoern]> next xkcd will be 600
15:24:02 <Charl> who cares
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15:24:11 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/4165_4455.jpeg
15:24:26 <[bjoern]> Bored people do.
15:24:38 <Charl> fanboys do
15:25:20 <[bjoern]> That is possible, but I would not know.
15:26:08 <Charl> You should subscribe to b3ta if you're bored often near the end of the week.
15:26:21 <[bjoern]> What is b3ta?
15:27:41 <Charl> A community for the lulz (but rather more civilized than 4chan).
15:28:13 <Charl> Photoshop contests, question of the week, newsletter, etc.
15:28:17 <[bjoern]> .gc "({!})"
15:28:17 <phenny> "({!})": 0
15:28:25 <sbp> okay, installed neon
15:28:27 <[bjoern]> communities are boring
15:28:33 <sbp> probably won't work with https though. hmm
15:29:14 <Charl> [bjoern]: That, and all of web2.0.
15:29:21 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/3995_7cad_480.jpeg
15:30:29 <[bjoern]> useful http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/3516_0694_480.jpeg
15:32:41 <sbp> “Crocker's detractors and critics have accused him of narcissism, melodramatics, histrionics, and using Spears' personal shortcomings to bolster his own fame.[19][21][22][23][24]”
15:36:51 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/3162_4b59_480.jpeg
15:37:12 <sbp> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/5433_1c04.jpeg was probably written by a guy
15:37:25 <[bjoern]> hehe
15:37:32 <sbp> and yeah, TopGear always does things right
15:37:56 <sbp> TopGear: urdoinitright!
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15:38:31 <sbp> 20M subversion
15:39:00 <sbp> $ ./svn --version
15:39:01 <sbp> svn, version 1.6.2 (r37639)
15:39:01 <sbp> compiled Jun 19 2009, 16:29:04
15:39:07 <sbp> looks reasonable
15:39:22 <sbp> got an https svn repo to test?
15:39:26 <sbp> .g https svn
15:39:27 <phenny> sbp: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html
15:39:30 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/2126_0dec_480.jpeg
15:39:30 <sbp> bad
15:39:33 <[bjoern]> nu
15:39:34 <sbp> .g https svn -tigris
15:39:34 <phenny> sbp: https://svn.gridsphere.org/
15:39:49 <[bjoern]> Yes, get it from the gridsphere
15:40:22 <sbp> $ svn co https://svn.gridsphere.org/gridsphere/
15:40:22 <sbp> svn: SSL is not supported
15:40:24 <sbp> pwnt
15:40:30 <sbp> but I have openssl!
15:40:43 <sbp> shitty little grotty fucking crappy pile-of-crap thing
15:41:26 <sbp> also I'd like to know how it found sqlite3
15:41:34 <[bjoern]> I pointed http://www.checkmycolours.com/ at inamidst but it seems down...
15:41:38 <sbp> even though it couldn't find libapr until I passed a --with-apr flag
15:42:01 <sbp> hmm, it is
15:42:09 <sbp> which is odd, since by rights I shouldn't be able to IRC at you either
15:42:16 <sbp> unless just apache is down or something
15:50:18 <[bjoern]> If your browser has a blacklist of pages you do not wish to visit, add http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/politik/2009/6/19/news-121602103/detail.html
15:52:42 <Charl> [bjoern], do you think this new internet blacklist will hold up long?
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15:53:20 <[bjoern]> You mean germany's latest?
15:53:23 <Charl> yes
15:54:08 <[bjoern]> Then quite possibly yes.
15:54:26 <Charl> ah, bummer.
15:55:57 <sbp> [bjoern]: strange, she does not look like her doll
15:56:06 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/1393_9ebf_480.jpeg makes me hungry
15:56:21 <sbp> egg on her face!
15:56:33 <[bjoern]> That's so nice of you to say, I'd almost think you'd be flirting with her.
15:57:16 <[bjoern]> hmm http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/1375_d4d4.jpeg
15:59:00 <sbp> I wonder if sqlite3 has an install-lib option...
15:59:51 <[bjoern]> Usually you are just supposed to throw in the .c and .h file into your source tree and compile it with the rest
15:59:52 <cre8radix> oh my... she's so ugly
16:01:52 <sbp> [bjoern]: svn likes to do it its way apparently
16:02:27 <sbp> there is something oddly satisfying about making your own packages cleanly
16:03:19 <[bjoern]> It won't last.
16:03:25 <sbp> heh, heh
16:03:37 <sbp> svn was the only package that had stymied me so far
16:03:41 <sbp> and I'm very close to cracking it
16:03:44 <sbp> just missing https support
16:04:19 <sbp> if this works it'll be 15/15 I think
16:04:33 <[bjoern]> http://rivetart.com/get_product?i_item=785
16:04:54 <sbp> looks like... ah yes, it is
16:04:59 <sbp> one of those party dress girls
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16:09:13 <sbp> neon seems like it's going to need:
16:09:13 <sbp> ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-libs=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:10:03 <sbp> hmm, no! didn't work
16:10:03 <sbp> SSL library: SSL support is not enabled
16:12:25 <sbp> # Pass through initial LDFLAGS verbatim to neon-config, so that extra
16:12:25 <sbp> # libraries which are detected (e.g. OpenSSL) can still be found when
16:12:25 <sbp> # building using the --libs output of neon-config.
16:12:36 <sbp> maybe I should just set LDFLAGS and whatnot
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16:13:08 <sbp> export CPPFLAGS='-I/Users/sbp/packages/subversion/include'
16:13:08 <sbp> export LDFLAGS='-L/Users/sbp/packages/subversion/lib'
16:13:34 <sbp> still not enabled!
16:14:14 * sbp tries $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-ssl=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:15:09 <sbp> ah, that doesn't take an arg
16:15:11 <sbp> the arg is passed to --with-libs
16:15:17 <sbp> and then you pass --with-ssl too
16:15:25 <sbp> so, ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-libs=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-ssl
16:16:19 <sbp> SSL library: SSL support enabled, using OpenSSL (0.9.7 or later)
16:16:20 <sbp> whoo!
16:17:12 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/0859_6aa8_480.jpeg
16:17:34 <sbp> strange, I read that as 90% of Wanking Hours
16:20:29 <sbp> hmm. for sqlite3:
16:20:29 <sbp> install-data-am: install-includeHEADERS install-pkgconfigDATA
16:20:29 <sbp> install-exec-am: install-binPROGRAMS install-libLTLIBRARIES
16:22:16 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0357/7962_0dce_480.jpeg
16:23:40 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0357/7935_bf3d_480.jpeg
16:23:58 * sbp decides on $ make install-data
16:24:03 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0357/7936_3103_480.jpeg
16:24:28 <sbp> which path did that man take?
16:24:42 <sbp> need a line for "write a funny blackboard"
16:24:47 <sbp> should probably go below the sex tape one
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16:24:50 <Monty> hey Arnia
16:25:08 <[bjoern]> Your question does not make sense.
16:25:16 <Arnia> Hello
16:25:56 <sbp> why doesn't it make sense?
16:26:31 <[bjoern]> You'd know if he was famous.
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16:26:46 <sbp> well you just showed me him
16:26:50 <sbp> so I know him, and you know him
16:26:53 <sbp> so he's famous
16:27:54 <sbp> oh, subversion configure checks $PREFIX for sqlite
16:28:01 <sbp> but... it also says it checks that for neon
16:28:05 <sbp> I thought I had to add neon. hmm
16:28:15 <sbp> weird it doesn't check $PREFIX for apr and apr-util
16:29:03 <sbp> trying $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr-util=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:29:14 <sbp> no, neon couldn't be found
16:29:37 <sbp> man, software is made mainly from bubblegum and optimism it seems
16:30:26 <[bjoern]> and bicorns.
16:30:49 <sbp> yeah
16:30:51 <sbp> okay, so: $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr-util=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-neon=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:31:17 <sbp> what? heh. still can't find neon
16:31:37 <jsled> sbp: I know you're aware of macports/fink ... have you thought about using them (or gentoo prefix) for your efforts?
16:32:04 <sbp> my effort is to extirpate macports from my system
16:32:10 <jsled> there you go.
16:33:16 <sbp> I made this only a moment ago with the exact same command line
16:33:25 <sbp> so I'm not quite sure what's gone wrong, though I suspect...
16:34:15 <sbp> nope, I don't understand. it was working, now it ain't
16:34:49 <[bjoern]> If you had your doings recorded in a vid for later publication, you could rewind and check.
16:35:29 <sbp> here's what it said before:
16:35:29 <sbp> configure: checking neon library
16:35:29 <sbp> checking neon library version... 0.28.4
16:36:13 <[bjoern]> .gc "intelligent falling vs theory of gravity"
16:36:14 <phenny> "intelligent falling vs theory of gravity": 3
16:37:04 <sbp> oh, heh
16:37:13 <sbp> I was so happy that I managed to configure neon to use openssl...
16:37:18 <sbp> ...that I forgot to make and make install it
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16:39:46 <sbp> okay, back to trying... $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr-util=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:40:00 <sbp> LOELS IT COULDANT FIND NEOEN?
16:41:07 <sbp> hmm, having to try $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr-util=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-neon=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-sqlite-$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
16:41:23 <sbp> s/-\$/=$/
16:41:47 <sbp> excellent
16:53:05 <sbp> ugh, now I'm getting a make error because of multiple versions of openssl
16:53:10 <sbp> see, I knew I had openssl around...
16:53:14 <sbp> so neon is just stupid
16:54:43 <sbp> perhaps it just needs --with-ssl
16:56:03 <sbp> ah, yes
16:56:04 <sbp> there we go
16:58:32 <[bjoern]> I smell chicken
16:59:04 <sbp> imaginary chicken?
16:59:20 <[bjoern]> delicious chicken
17:00:07 <sbp> so, imaginary then
17:00:36 <[bjoern]> Out of my reach one way or the other.
17:00:39 * [bjoern] 's watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHZvjxdIx0
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17:15:09 <[bjoern]> "It is easy to laugh at the moose trying to copulate with the statue of the bison ... but at least the statue of the bison is in 3d"
17:16:31 <Charl> haha
17:24:35 <sbp> --
17:24:36 <sbp> $ tar -jxvf apr-1.3.5.tar.bz2 && cd apr-1.3.5/ && ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) && make && make install
17:24:36 <sbp> $ tar -jxvf apr-util-1.3.7.tar.bz2 && cd apr-util-1.3.7/ && ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) && make && make install
17:24:36 <sbp> $ tar -zxvf neon-0.28.4.tar.gz && cd neon-0.28.4/ && ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-ssl && make && make install
17:24:37 <sbp> $ tar -zxvf sqlite-amalgamation-3.6.15.tar.gz && cd sqlite-3.6.15/ && ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) && make && make install-data
17:24:40 <sbp> $ tar -jxvf subversion-1.6.2.tar.bz2 && cd subversion-1.6.2/
17:24:42 <sbp> $ ./configure --prefix=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-apr-util=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-neon=$(echo ~/packages/subversion) --with-sqlite=$(echo ~/packages/subversion)
17:24:45 <sbp> $ make
17:24:49 <sbp> $ make install
17:24:51 <sbp> --
17:25:18 <[bjoern]> you might want to make ~/packages/ a variable...
17:25:38 <sbp> mebs
17:26:19 <sbp> $ svn co https://svn.gridsphere.org/gridsphere/
17:26:20 <sbp> [works]
17:26:21 <sbp> whoo
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17:30:25 <[bjoern]> .g gd-jpeg
17:30:25 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/software/dataplot/refman1/auxillar/gd.htm
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17:52:43 <sbp> $ hg --versionMercurial Distributed SCM (version 1.2.1)
17:52:50 <sbp> hmm, weird
17:53:05 <sbp> it actually copies that way...
18:02:02 <sbp> pfft:
18:02:02 <sbp> $ easy_install editdist
18:02:02 <sbp> Searching for editdist
18:02:03 <sbp> Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/editdist/
18:02:03 <sbp> Reading http://www.mindrot.org/py-editdist.html
18:02:03 <sbp> No local packages or download links found for editdist
18:02:05 <sbp> error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('editdist')
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18:02:49 <sbp> $ easy_install http://www.mindrot.org/files/py-editdist/py-editdist-0.3.tar.gz
18:02:51 <sbp> — works fine
18:16:06 <sbp> woah, Nadal is out of Wimbledon
18:16:11 <sbp> because of that injury
18:16:19 <sbp> so Murray is now the strongest player in his side of the draw
18:16:27 <sbp> could be a Briton in the final of Wimbledon
18:16:41 <sbp> only problem is, it'll probably be Federer against him...
18:16:48 <[bjoern]> when was the last time we won?
18:16:57 <sbp> Germany? must be Becker in the 1990s?
18:17:24 <[bjoern]> well you tell me!
18:17:31 <[bjoern]> .wik List of Wimbledon winners
18:17:32 <phenny> "The Wimbledon Championships Gentleman's Singles tournament has been contested since 1877." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wimbledon_Gentlemen's_Singles_champions
18:17:44 <sbp> no, it was Stich. 1991
18:18:05 <sbp> Steffi Graf 1996 in the women's
18:18:40 <sbp> there was a British winner in mixed doubles in 2007, note
18:18:47 <sbp> Jamie Murray; Andy Murray's brother
18:19:08 <[bjoern]> No Sean won ever.
18:19:31 <sbp> I... b... damnit
18:25:30 <sbp> hmm, python3.1 has a python3 binary
18:25:33 <sbp> but python3.0 doesn't
18:27:46 <Charl> [bjoern]: That Dawkins speech was a bit populistic..
18:28:30 * sbp used easy_install, even though mercurial only recommend that for Solaris
18:28:36 <sbp> for some odd reason. still, seems to have worked:
18:28:36 <sbp> $ hg debuginstall
18:28:36 <sbp> Checking encoding (UTF8)...
18:28:36 <sbp> Checking extensions...
18:28:36 <sbp> Checking templates...
18:28:36 <sbp> Checking patch...
18:28:38 <sbp> Checking commit editor...
18:28:40 <sbp> Checking username...
18:28:42 <sbp> No problems detected
18:29:06 <sbp> also found this:
18:29:07 <sbp> http://tools.assembla.com/yolk
18:29:11 <sbp> which seems quite nice
18:31:02 <sbp> only strange thing is this:
18:31:03 <sbp> $ yolk -l | grep mercurial
18:31:04 <sbp> mercurial - unknown - active
18:31:19 <sbp> $ yolk -M mercurial | egrep '^version:'
18:31:19 <sbp> version: 1.2.1
18:31:29 <sbp> "unknown" was of course meant to be the version number
18:31:50 <cre8radix> phenny: tell [bjoern]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LF6EJqRmU
18:31:50 <phenny> cre8radix: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
18:32:33 * sbp sends a bug report to Rob Cakebread <gentoodev A T gmail com>
18:34:19 <[bjoern]> .title
18:34:19 <phenny> [bjoern]: 18:31Z <cre8radix> tell [bjoern] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LF6EJqRmU
18:34:20 <phenny> [bjoern]: YouTube - Mitschnitt der Rede von Jörg Tauss - Bekämpfung der Kinderpornographie in Kommunikationsnetzen.
18:34:35 <[bjoern]> Die er vorm wowarsnoch gehalten hat?
18:34:58 <[bjoern]> Er soll ja jetzt den Klabautermännern beitreten wollen
18:36:13 <bancus> .u eng
18:36:13 <phenny> U+16B6 RUNIC LETTER ENG (ᚶ)
18:36:13 <Monty> "you"
18:36:25 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "yolk bug: Mercurial Version Doesn't Display " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/82143
18:40:34 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: 227. Sitzung des Deutschen Bundestages
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18:50:53 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-RlRZb0B-A&feature=related
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19:36:12 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's xjrn!
19:36:14 <Monty> lo tobbez
19:36:16 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's mahound!
19:36:18 <Monty> bah, it's realist again
19:36:35 <tobbez> 'lo there Monty
19:36:38 <Monty> milk's unicycle snogs addressing beefburger :P
19:37:06 <tobbez> Monty: sounds like you enjoyed your time on the other side of the netsplit
19:37:07 <Monty> lol, we were discussing you not me!
19:37:31 * [bjoern] notes that the only member of Merkel's party to vote against our shiny new censorship law is the father of the woman in charge of http://www.derwesten.de/
19:49:59 <sbp> yay derwesten-girl-father!
19:56:32 * sbp asks about a strange bug on #emacs
19:56:41 <sbp> they said to try latest svn, but if it still doesn't work, file a bug
19:57:42 <[bjoern]> good idea, let's compile emacs
19:58:10 <[bjoern]> I'd like if that'd requires gcc from cvs.
19:59:02 <sbp> hehe
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20:24:00 <[bjoern]> can't read the text http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8TbXO0xzw
20:30:15 <MoiraA> hi peopole
20:30:19 <MoiraA> woops
20:30:23 <MoiraA> people
20:30:25 <MoiraA> :)
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20:31:44 <Monty2> Thank goodness, Monty2 is back!
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20:36:43 <[bjoern]> http://www.titanic-magazin.de/typo3temp/pics/d163fca353.gif
20:36:43 <Monty> could make the agenda, waiting out more.
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20:38:18 <[bjoern]> http://www.titanic-magazin.de/typo3temp/pics/a2e1037583.jpg in more readable
20:40:32 <[bjoern]> "Bing: Die Bionade unter den Suchmaschinen: Niemand weiß genau, was drin ist, sieht aber gut aus!"
20:41:11 <clsn> Yay for Gill Sans Ultra.
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20:48:03 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0358/7427_58fb_480.jpeg kinda seems to be week of the melon
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22:18:50 <d8uv> Soo... freenode killed Mibbit
22:19:18 <d8uv> Thus I probably won't be here ever again, seeing as how IRC is just a cesspool of awful
22:19:34 <bancus> We'll miss you.
22:19:35 <bancus> Maybe.
22:20:27 <d8uv> Then again I've quit IRC before so who the fuck knows anything
22:23:10 <[bjoern]> That's just what they want you to do
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