Swhack! 15 December 2009
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00:01:38 <Monty> howdy, kpreid
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01:20:12 <remote> CIA-7: where's fbi?
01:20:19 <remote> Monty: CIA-7 is FBI
01:20:20 <Monty> ok
01:20:24 <remote> Monty: CIA-7 is FBI
01:20:28 <Monty> juicy pseudo-random semen scrapes final twonking vocal chords.
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02:12:12 <Monty> hi realist
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02:51:31 <Monty> hi clsn, how ya doing?
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02:55:04 <Monty> welcome, p6eval
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03:02:04 <Monty> yo kpreid!
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03:05:21 <Monty> howdy, MacTed
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03:21:32 <Monty> Thank goodness, kpreid is back!
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05:09:05 <Monty> hi kpreid_, how ya doing?
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05:37:20 <vimpulse> hi all. Is there any IRC server or client that will warn me when I try to type a message to "FooPerson:" or "FooPerson," in channel, and the person has just left or netsplitted?
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05:47:40 <vimpulse> Actually, how likely is it that there exists such a server or client?
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06:04:28 <Monty> howdy, davisp
06:04:30 <Monty> bah, it's clsn again
06:32:19 <vimpulse> crosspasting my original question to #irssi.
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06:35:33 <Monty> it's m4rk!
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10:36:03 <sbp> yo
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10:48:22 <sbp> <wito> Seriously, have you looked at the math behind Bezier curves?
10:48:22 <sbp> <wito> That shit is crazy.
10:48:22 <sbp> <wito> I mean, like, fuck that shit; that's crazy; use your arms, protect your head, motherfucker.
10:51:54 <clsn> sbp: been trying to get the hang of Raph Levien
10:52:00 <clsn> Levien's spiro curves.
10:53:03 <clsn> which are apparently significantly more brain-hurting than beziers (beziers are pretty straightforward in their way. clothoid curves are numerical approximations to an integral). In theory they look good.
10:53:09 <clsn> In practice they... take practice.
10:53:33 <clsn> and the support for them in FontForge is shakier.
10:55:25 <clsn> .g libspiro
10:55:26 <phenny> clsn: http://libspiro.sourceforge.net/
11:04:36 <sbp> .w clothoid
11:04:37 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for clothoid.
11:04:38 <sbp> .oed clothoid
11:04:39 <phenny> clothoid (no ety.)...)
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11:09:38 <clsn> sorry. it's what they're called.
11:09:46 <clsn> .wik clothoid curve
11:09:47 <phenny> "Fresnel integrals, S(x) and C(x), are two transcendental functions named after Augustin-Jean Fresnel that are used in optics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_integral
11:10:53 <sbp> yeah, but why are they called that?
11:26:08 <sbp> http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Sclothoid.htm explains
11:35:47 <sbp> .thesaurus article
11:35:47 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
11:35:54 <sbp> .thesaurus article
11:35:54 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
11:35:59 <sbp> OKAY
11:46:57 <[bjoern]> FUCKING FREEZING.
11:47:18 <[bjoern]> Heilige Kuh! Kalt!
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11:52:47 <sbp> Kalt as der Teufelrealm?
11:53:07 <sbp> hath't frozen ouer?
11:53:29 <[bjoern]> only my body.
11:53:50 <sbp> so I was thinking about giving all my Semantic Web stuff to the W3C
11:53:59 <sbp> so they could put it in some datespace directory
11:54:05 <sbp> and then I wouldn't have to host it
11:54:19 <sbp> please rank the insanity of this idea on the cuil scale or some other universally accepting grading scale
11:54:24 <sbp> *accepted
11:54:36 <[bjoern]> what's the benefit in you not hosting it?
11:54:57 <sbp> I don't have to worry about organising it, moving it about, cognitive clutter
11:55:38 <[bjoern]> You would worry less about the W3C not doing it than you yourself not doing it?
11:55:55 <sbp> well giving it to the W3C would be like publishing it
11:56:09 <sbp> once I hand it over, that solves the problem of being tempted to faff with it
11:56:19 <[bjoern]> so it's unpublished currently!
11:56:28 <sbp> this is only a metaphor
11:56:42 <sbp> but yes, in the metaphor it is unpublished currently
11:57:03 <[bjoern]> What's the square root of batshit crazy?
11:57:15 <sbp> .o wa square root of batshit crazy
11:57:22 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
11:57:39 <sbp> I went through this before. to have a square root of something you need to break it into segments
11:57:46 <sbp> so it depends how many segments batshit craziness has
11:58:42 <sbp> alternatively, I suppose 3 Cuil is batshit crazy
11:58:42 <Monty> potty mouth!
11:58:53 <sbp> so it'd be the square root of 3 on the Cuil scale
11:58:56 <sbp> .c sqrt(3)
11:58:57 <phenny> sqrt(3) = 1.73205081
11:59:06 <sbp> so, just under 2 cuil
11:59:16 <sbp> which I suppose isn't bad. I might do it then
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11:59:20 <[bjoern]> I was thinking that this might be a good answer
11:59:23 <[bjoern]> [13 Dez 09 09:35] * [bjoern] * "The Internet Society (ISOC) and the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) today announced a donation from ISOC for the purpose of advancing the evolution of W3C as an organization that creates open Web standards."
11:59:25 <sbp> since that more or less counts as your tacit approval
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11:59:44 <sbp> .wik ISOC
11:59:45 <phenny> "Internet Society, an international organization that promotes Internet use and access" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISOC
12:00:19 <sbp> [bjoern]: how large was the donation?
12:00:40 <sbp> also, they're NOT STANDARDS THEY'RE RECOMMENDATIONS!
12:01:12 <sbp> ah, $2.5 million
12:01:29 <sbp> so does ISOC have like three dozen AC members now?
12:02:04 <[bjoern]> I don't have much insight into these things ever since tim kicked me out.
12:02:15 <sbp> so unprofessional
12:07:55 <sbp> speaking of Tim and unprofessional, do you have any idea where to find the paper he wrote for Hypertext '91 that was rejected for being too radical?
12:08:59 <[bjoern]> Behind the painting in the third floor. the code is 23R 7L 42R.
12:10:30 <sbp> thanks
12:10:37 <sbp> eventually he and RC had to submit a poster
12:10:41 <sbp> there's a photo of that here:
12:10:42 <sbp> http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/w3c10-HowItAllStarted/poster.jpg
12:15:02 <sbp> heh: http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/71757/1/71757.pdf
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12:15:06 <Monty> hi JibberJim, how ya doing?
12:16:43 <sbp> http://info.emeraldinsight.com/products/backfiles/pdf/backfiles_sample_5.pdf
12:18:29 <sbp> preprint here:
12:18:31 <sbp> http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/history/ENRAP_9202.ps.gz
12:21:08 <sbp> .head http://www.w3.org/Talks/Naming/Ideas2.html Last-Modified
12:21:10 <phenny> Last-Modified: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 20:17:16 GMT
12:28:26 <sbp> http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/course/other/cdsdev/doc/the_www_book.ps.gz
12:28:29 <[bjoern]> Names should really be URLs.
12:28:32 <[bjoern]> Oh wait...
12:31:03 <[bjoern]> So goo.gl and fb.me are all the rage I am certain.
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12:35:41 <sbp> .head http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html Last-Modified
12:35:41 <phenny> Last-Modified: Thu, 03 Dec 1992 08:37:20 GMT
12:36:16 <sbp> "Google URL Shortener is currently available for Google products and not for broader consumer use." - hmm
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12:44:50 <[bjoern]> The stability problems would be less annoying without the overly frequent notices about them.
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13:22:31 <Monty> hey clsn
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15:38:00 <Monty> it's MacTed!
15:38:00 <Monty> hey dumnut
15:38:00 <Monty> yo jessica!
15:39:32 <sbp> hi Monty!
15:39:32 <Monty> Please go on.
15:39:38 <sbp> how are you Monty!
15:39:40 <Monty> in activity over their (basic) service.
15:39:48 <sbp> nice!
15:41:43 <sbp> "If you know the perl language, then that is a powerful (if otherwise incomprehensible) language with which to hack together a server." — TimBL, in http://www.w3.org/Provider/ShellScript.html
15:41:50 <sbp> .head http://www.w3.org/Provider/ShellScript.html Last-Modified
15:41:50 <phenny> Last-Modified: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 20:14:36 GMT
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16:03:04 <Monty> hi BigJibby
16:03:04 <Monty> hi loggy
16:03:16 <BigJibby> oh hai Monty.
16:03:19 <Monty> Today, addressbook sleeps with Gtk copy of Razzle...
16:03:42 <BigJibby> Monty: did you get a banana with your split?
16:03:45 <Monty> I reckon Englishmen + raspberries = saggy losers!
16:03:55 <BigJibby> Monty++
16:03:58 <Monty> Find me a reason to finger vile champion :(
16:05:00 <BigJibby> no, Monty
16:05:04 <Monty> also, they're not for twitter started being an icky workaround
16:05:35 <BigJibby> Monty: a workaround for what?
16:05:36 <Monty> osfameron: tl;dr
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16:24:30 <Monty> it's dumnut!
16:24:30 <Monty> hi nslater
16:24:30 <Monty> hey l7
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17:05:44 <BigJibby> Monty: are you ok?
17:05:50 <Monty> why the doctor said that knows how large was sure that's an integral). In practice they... take practice.
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17:26:19 <Monty> lo MacTed
17:26:19 <Monty> lo BigJibby
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17:26:36 <BigJibby> oh hai Monty
17:26:36 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
17:27:30 <BigJibby> you are a no good, self::absorbed, string repeating bot, Monty
17:27:31 <Monty> yes
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17:56:38 <Monty> welcome, dumnut
17:56:38 <Monty> howdy, edsu
17:56:38 <Monty> hi Tene
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18:56:35 <Monty> bah, it's MacTed again
18:56:35 <Monty> But what does phenny have to do with the price of fish?
18:56:42 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8413648.stm
18:56:44 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Bonnie Prince Charlie painting 'probably his brother'
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19:23:15 <Monty> howdy, edsu
19:23:15 <Monty> hi phenny
19:23:16 <phenny> Hey Monty
19:23:25 <Monty> hey
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19:47:35 <Monty> howdy, edsu
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20:06:24 <Monty> welcome, [bjoern]
20:08:15 <[bjoern]> NO YU R WELCOME MONTY
20:08:16 <Monty> oh, they don't feel their rights
20:08:32 <[bjoern]> We could make them feel their rights, how about it Monty?
20:08:35 <Monty> {"error":"conflict","reason":"Document update conflict."}
20:08:56 <[bjoern]> That was one of your clearer answers.
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22:36:28 <[bjoern]> SQL heads, I have rows (a,b,c); I want to select all "a" for which there is no (a, "constant", _ does not matter _) in the table.
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22:43:14 <jsled> SELECT a FROM table WHERE a NOT IN (SELECT a FROM table WHERE b='constant');
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22:52:36 <Monty> howdy, phenny
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23:02:58 <deltab> [bjoern]: can you rephrase that?
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23:03:58 <Monty> bah, it's jeffarch again
23:04:03 <[bjoern]> yes
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23:04:29 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's kpreid!
23:06:29 <[bjoern]> for each $a in select distinct a from table { select 1 from table where a = $a and b = $constant as e }
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23:23:52 <Monty> bah, it's jsled again
23:23:52 <Monty> welcome, loggy