Swhack! 23 December 2009
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00:13:11 <[bjoern]> .u ß
00:13:11 <phenny> U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S (ß)
00:52:31 <nslater> yo
00:52:47 <nslater> charl, yo
00:52:51 <nslater> .o imdb test
00:53:29 <phenny> Test (2000) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278090/
00:54:29 <[bjoern]> You may collect one cool point from fonzie.
00:57:15 <jsled> .o imdb fonzie
00:58:01 <phenny> Nguol thùa (1998) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169080/
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01:04:21 <charl> nslater: brilliant, thanks
01:09:02 <nslater> np
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09:56:10 * MoiraA morning
09:56:27 <MoiraA> hello
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10:56:54 <sbp> "SCHUMACHER RETURNS / Driver to link up with team principle Ross Brawn"
10:56:58 <sbp> (typo is [sic])
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13:33:08 <[bjoern]> So python for getting the local time in germany without encoding its dst switching algorithm?
13:38:57 <nsh> Excerpt from Deciphering the Cosmic Number -- The strange friendship of Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung, by Arthur I. Miller
13:38:57 <Monty> -s
13:38:58 <nsh> [[[
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13:39:06 <nsh> Back in 1914, Jung had come across a book by a Viennese psychologist Herber Silberer, who was part of Freud's circle. .In /Problems of Mysticism and Its Symbolism/, Silberer discussed whether there might be a relationship between the imagery in alchemical texts, the imagery experience by patients in the mental state between dreaming and waking, and Freud's analysis of dreamss. At first Jung was fascinated and corresponded with him. He was looking for something
13:39:06 <nsh> deeper than Silberer -- to understand the imagery that had never been conscious, the imagery in the deep or collective unconscious. But he soon concluded that alchemy was "off the beaten track and rather silly".
13:39:06 <nsh> Nevertheless Jung began collecting ancient alchemical texts. Then, in 1928, his friend Richard Wilhelm sent him a copy of his translations of the thousand-year-old Taoist-alchemical text /The Secret of the Golden Flower/.
13:39:08 <nsh> At first, /The Secret of the Golden Flower/ did not seem to make any sense. But Jung was intrigued. Silberer's book came to mind and he suddenly realised that although he had appreciated what Silberer was sugesting, he had not understood how to interpret the alchemical texts Silberer used. For the next two years Jung pored over alchemical texts and began to find more and more passages that he could understand. Then he had a revelation. "I realised that alchemist
13:39:13 <nsh> s were talking in symbols -- those old acquaintances of mine," he wrote. It was the symbols not the text that were the essence. He decided to learn alchemy from the ground up and then return to Silberer's and Wilheim's books.
13:39:16 <nsh> Alchemy was conceived of as a means toward understanding the "great chain of being" -- .....
13:39:18 <nsh> ]]]
13:42:06 <nsh> Around about the ellipsis, I began to think thus: (a) others have spoken of alchemy as being an allegorical science -- "as above so below", &c. -- and that the real aim was transmutation of the soul or some quasivalent notion, rather than physical/chemical arcana.
13:43:29 <nsh> (b) on the other-hand, it seems that no-one passed on the memo to a lot of alchemists: from what we can tell, they were really just fucking around with elements and trying to make magic potions
13:46:28 <nsh> the straightforward synthetic explanation is that there existed a wide spectrum of alchemical endeavour that ranged from the allegorical-symbolic-spiritual-transcendent to the banal-syntactic-physical-praxic, and that there is no contradiction between different practicioners at differing points on this scale
13:47:54 <nsh> but then a more interesting possibility arose in me: what if there was a somehow inevitable turning in the art, towards the spiritual/psychological/meditative from the physical
13:48:18 <nsh> which manifested despite and incidental to the aims of the practitioners
13:50:16 <nsh> a kind of "trojan art"
13:53:05 <nsh> there's often this trope in speculative-fiction writing, that certain truths would be discovered relatively incidentally of the aims of the discoverers. as though truth is a platonic continentscape which will be mapped whether the shores are sailed to for trade, conquest, or suffrage
13:53:57 <nsh> but i think i was reaching for something more twilight
13:55:01 <nsh> like how Data's 'programming' causes him to start having dreams at a certain stage in his 'emotional development', which in turn reveal and spur further metamorphosis
13:56:11 <nsh> the idea that any sufficiently rich corpus of symbolry will turn ouroboral
13:57:48 <nsh> and once lenses have been ground for the stars, they soon turn to cell
14:01:03 <nsh> ((geomorphology was the correct term for continentscape)
14:01:06 <nsh> )
14:12:13 <nsh> sbp
14:12:36 <nsh> also, i had an idea about your passage relating to the gem-dialogues
14:14:04 <nsh> "There is a story about a tribe who exchange precious stones with one another instead of speaking words. They also use some gestures.."
14:14:29 <nsh> so i though about implementing this as a cryptosystem
14:14:58 <nsh> a token-based communication system as a mmog
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14:41:36 <sbp> how would that work?
14:41:58 <[bjoern]> Well someone else would already have implemented the relevant algorithm, and I just want to query it!
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17:00:05 <MacTed> .gcs "jive with" "jibe with"
17:00:06 <phenny> "jive with" (26,300), "jibe with" (19,400)
17:00:18 <MacTed> .ety jibe
17:00:19 <phenny> "'agree, fit,' 1813, of unknown origin, perhaps a figurative extension of earlier jib (v.) 'shift a sail or boom' (see jib)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=jibe
17:00:23 <MacTed> .ety jive
17:00:23 <phenny> "1928, 'to deceive playfully' (v.), also 'empty, misleading talk' (n.) and 'a style of fast, lively jazz and dance music,' Amer.Eng., from Black English, probably of African origin (cf. Wolof jev, jeu 'talk about someone absent, especially in a disparaging manner')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=jive
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21:54:53 <Monty> But what does mmmmmrob have to do with the price of fish?
22:07:30 <charl> mmmmmrob is the leader of an international fish cartel
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22:52:41 <nslater> yo
22:57:05 <nslater> nsh, ping
23:06:21 <nslater> phenny: tell Arnia http://londonreconnections.blogspot.com/2009/09/typeface-for-underground.html
23:06:21 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
23:33:50 <[bjoern]> the new gimp web site looks scary.
23:59:05 <nslater> .g gimp
23:59:06 <phenny> nslater: http://www.gimp.org/
23:59:26 <nslater> [bjoern]: its looked like that for a while, hasn't it?