Swhack! 28 January 2010
00:00:00 <tav> doh
00:00:07 <kpreid> bloggy: uri?
00:00:07 <sbp> kpreid: com.apple.loginitems.plist: I looked for that but couldn't find it
00:00:14 <sbp> I checked allt he LaunchAgents, yeah
00:00:19 <sbp> didn't check system-wide, will do that now!
00:00:23 <kpreid> did you check system prefs > accounts > login items?
00:00:35 <sbp> ah! there it is!
00:00:36 <sbp> thanks
00:01:06 <kpreid> there *should* be ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginitems.plist
00:02:18 <sbp> $ ls -al ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginitems.plist
00:02:18 <sbp> ls: /Users/sbp/Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginitems.plist: No such file or directory
00:02:29 <sbp> and yes, I did
00:02:37 <sbp> (as I've noted twice in logs. just saying!)
00:02:39 <kpreid> weird
00:02:48 <kpreid> Maybe Snow Leopard moved it ... I haven't upgraded
00:02:53 <sbp> is there a preferred way to edit the loginwindow.plist file?
00:03:01 <sbp> I mean I could take the crap out using PlistBuddy
00:03:07 <kpreid> if you have the apple dev tools there is a gui plist editor
00:03:10 <sbp> but I presume there's some better interface for managing this?
00:03:56 <kpreid> I don't think so
00:04:03 <kpreid> well, defaults write :-)
00:04:45 <kpreid> (i assume PlistBuddy is a generic convertor/editor for plist files ... the defaults command talks to the defaults db stuff to edit the files safely and edit just one key at a time)
00:04:47 <Arnia> If you believe the blogs and forums, this device is going to fail
00:05:16 <sbp> Arnia: well, it's not open!
00:05:20 <Arnia> no one wants it, it doesn't do important things like flash, you have to pay for 3G and it doesn't run Mac OS X
00:05:26 <sbp> and it's not open
00:05:41 * Arnia couldn't give a rats arse about it being open
00:05:47 <Arnia> I want it to be useful :p
00:06:20 <Arnia> if openness were a killer then Linux would be a lot more popular...
00:06:43 <Arnia> but of course, this is just because everyone is stupid
00:06:52 <Arnia> if the world were smart, it would realise how shit this is
00:07:20 <sbp> and if the world didn't care about anti-aliasing
00:07:22 <Arnia> and then Apple would be forced to deliver what people really want (like a netbook form MacBook)
00:07:42 <Arnia> What gets me about that is that Freetype *does* antialias better than that
00:07:51 <Arnia> but only if you fiddle with the settings to turn hinting off
00:08:00 <Arnia> for some reason antialiasing and hinting don't play together
00:08:17 <kpreid> "some reason"?
00:08:23 <kpreid> seems simple enough to me...
00:08:34 <kpreid> hinting is all about fiddling the font to align with the pixels
00:09:03 <kpreid> so when you add antialiasing, you get super sharp straight lines and fuzzy curves
00:09:12 <kpreid> so it looks awful to eyes like yours and mine
00:09:31 <kpreid> but if you don't hint, you get the antialiased form of the actual intended font outline
00:09:44 <kpreid> so the hinted version is *more irregular*
00:09:51 <kpreid> but less blurry in spots
00:09:54 <kpreid> make sense?
00:10:00 <Arnia> I was being sarcastic
00:10:07 <kpreid> ooookay.
00:10:24 <Arnia> I'm channelling my frustration with the world into bouts of extreme sarcasm right now
00:10:51 <sbp> me? sarcastic? oh ReEEAAALY?
00:11:06 <Arnia> I'm getting sick and tired of the total inability of people now to use data in their arguments
00:11:27 <Arnia> or, worse, to deliberately shun data when it is presented
00:12:17 <clsn> sbp: http://pastebin.ca/1768727 for the patch to use readline.
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00:13:34 <sbp> clsn: oh, thanks!
00:13:38 <sbp> gonna send it to the author too?
00:14:02 <clsn> Oh, didn't even think of tha, suppose I should.
00:15:49 * Arnia wonders why he is so angry tonight
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00:25:55 <sbp> [bjoern]:
00:25:58 <sbp> —
00:25:58 <sbp> Thomas Anders (43, "Modern Talking") to have published in 1983 a single called "testicles are what valuable.
00:25:58 <sbp> Günther Jauch (50) gets the nickname "Osama" and to have been awarded the Iron Cross and the WWF belt.
00:25:58 <sbp> New coinage: According to Wikipedia, was Stefan Raab (40) "yardstick servant."
00:25:58 <sbp> Dieter Bohlen (52) is said to have visited the school, disabled, have bought there his first vibrator. With 14 years of planks had joined the NPD.
00:26:01 <sbp> The Bavarian Prime Minister Edmund Stoiber (65) allegedly was planning to conquer the world.
00:26:03 <sbp> —
00:27:32 <sivy> I want an iPad app that looks like the PADD interface from ST:TNG
00:27:37 <sivy> just, you know, saying.
00:29:11 <sbp> yeah
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00:42:26 <Arnia> sivy: write one :)
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01:30:50 <[bjoern]> sbp, that took you long
01:30:57 <jeanniecool> (penis)
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01:57:50 <MoiraA> sbp: still up?
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04:19:57 <[bjoern]> .u hellip
04:19:58 <phenny> [bjoern]: Sorry, no results for 'hellip'.
04:20:00 <[bjoern]> .u h ellip
04:20:01 <phenny> U+2026 HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS (…)
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07:14:42 <MoiraA> phenny, tell nslater that he didnt factor in how the bots were all going to be voiced as they were in that script he could do within an hour
07:14:42 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
07:15:02 <MoiraA> thanking you phen
07:48:58 <[bjoern]> .leo nachvollziehbar
07:48:59 <phenny> nachvollziehbar = comprehensible a., traceable a.
07:49:00 <phenny> nicht nachvollziehbar = irreproducible a., unreproducible a.
07:49:01 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=nachvollziehbar
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10:57:32 <sbp> yo
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11:10:32 <[bjoern]> Hello sbp. I believe that I should inform you of the important that "nu" that I have quoted just now, please consider and ahere to it.
11:11:34 <[bjoern]> grammatically that is totally fai. (l)
11:12:34 <sbp> I am a here to it for to be of the causation
11:12:45 <sbp> and yes, it took me long
11:12:55 <sbp> it took me long because for most of the day the page wouldn't load
11:13:06 <sbp> though it was worth it for that Google Translation magic when it did
11:13:06 <[bjoern]> that may or may not be excellent
11:13:23 <[bjoern]> you just typed that.
11:13:27 <sbp> I just did
11:13:32 <[bjoern]> nu did
11:13:38 <sbp> I also just plugged one computer into another computer with USB
11:13:46 <sbp> now I'm trying to work out how to pump files down said cable
11:13:59 <sbp> unfortunately, the web thinks that all this "connecting" "devices" is a stupid idea
11:14:28 <[bjoern]> green. i was going to ask strange question, but "green" i prefer.
11:14:43 <sbp> no question is stranger than nogagplz
11:14:57 <sbp> what is nogagplz anyway? is it (in) a robot?
11:14:57 <[bjoern]> pherhapnu
11:15:00 <nogagplz> ?
11:15:04 <nogagplz> I'm no robot
11:15:05 <[bjoern]> y.
11:15:08 <sbp> nogagplz: k
11:15:11 <[bjoern]> yur
11:15:24 <sbp> can you prove it?
11:15:29 <nogagplz> yeah
11:15:34 <nogagplz> iPad sounds like a feminine product
11:15:48 <sbp> well, that's just a factoid. I mean all your responses thus far have been consonant with roboticality
11:15:56 <nogagplz> :/
11:16:00 <nogagplz> ok how about
11:16:20 <nogagplz> my fleshy interior is sittign swivelling in a chair bored, listening to the radio
11:16:29 <nogagplz> oh wait, I worded that wrong... do-overs? :D
11:16:33 <sbp> which station?
11:16:39 <sbp> if it's Binary FM, I smell a robot
11:16:40 <nogagplz> 2WS
11:16:50 <sbp> okay, doesn't sound very robotic
11:16:55 <sbp> welcome to mankind!
11:16:58 <sbp> unless you're a girl
11:16:58 <nogagplz> \o/
11:17:05 <nogagplz> nah, not a girl
11:17:12 <sbp> good. girls not allowed in mankind
11:17:25 <sbp> it's like a treehouse
11:17:38 <nogagplz> is mankind allowed in womankind? or is separation taking place as we speak?
11:18:21 <sbp> unix programs really make me chuckle
11:18:22 <sbp> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
11:18:22 <sbp> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
11:18:22 <sbp> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
11:18:22 <sbp> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
11:19:02 <nslater> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
11:19:09 <nslater> SEEMS PERFECTLY REASONBLE
11:19:11 <nslater> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
11:19:12 <nslater> TO ME
11:19:38 <nogagplz> it makes it look kinda urgent, I mean capital letters and spam can't possibly mean anything else!
11:20:09 <sbp> hehe
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11:33:59 <Talliesin> Well, it is kind of urgent that someone is possibly doing something nasty.
11:34:48 <nogagplz> lies
11:36:05 <sbp> I never said it was either unreasonable or unurgent
11:36:12 <sbp> just that it made me chuckle, which is true
11:36:23 <Talliesin> We've got three possibilities: 1. Someone is doing something nasty, 2. Something is annoyingly making it look like someone is doing something nasty, which we should fix, 3. Nothing is happening.
11:36:28 <sbp> it's all "@@@@@@@@ LOOK AT ME I AM A UNIX PROGRAM! @@@@@@@@@@@"
11:36:41 <Talliesin> The urgency depends on which of these are the case.
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11:37:07 <sbp> yeah, every time this message pops up it's because a key changed somewhere for some random reason
11:37:15 <sbp> nice to see it though
11:37:18 <Talliesin> As yet undetermined. Schrödinger's degree of urgency.
11:37:55 <sbp> so, when's your cover being fixed?
11:38:07 <Talliesin> I should know by Monday whether it needs fixed or not.
11:38:09 <Talliesin> May be fine.
11:38:30 <Talliesin> If it does have issues, it'll be fixed by the end of the week, I should imagine.
11:39:44 <Talliesin> There have been actual sales made, which is terribly exciting.
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11:39:53 <sbp> ooh
11:39:58 <Talliesin> But I hope those who bought it don't have an imperfect front cover :(
11:40:01 <sbp> so wait, will the people who boug... right
11:40:40 <Talliesin> If I every became famous those copies would be worth more though :)
11:40:50 <sbp> hehe
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11:41:06 <sbp> cover should have been an upside-down picture of an aeroplane
11:41:07 <Talliesin> Like the spelling mistake in the back flap of early print first editions of The Hobbit.
11:41:43 <Talliesin> I'm not entirely getting your reference there.
11:41:56 <Talliesin> By which I mean. I'm not getting your reference there.
11:42:55 <sbp> .wik upside-down aeroplane stamp
11:42:56 <phenny> "The Inverted Jenny (also known as an Upside Down Jenny or Jenny Invert) is a United States postage stamp first issued on May 10 1918 in which the image of the Curtiss JN-4 airplane in the center of the design was accidentally printed upside-down; it is probably the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny
11:43:01 <Talliesin> Ah yes.
11:43:35 <Talliesin> Well, we just possibly have a colour registration issue to worry about.
11:43:44 <Talliesin> Or perhaps not.
11:44:06 <Talliesin> Michael is just being cautious, so we aren't doing fanfare about the publication yet.
11:44:26 <sbp> gotcha
11:46:05 <Talliesin> He mostly used a very nice Baskerville. A nice version that looks like old-school Baskerville rather than those crappy digital versions which don't have the Q's tail swinging half-way into the next letter and the long J and so on.
11:46:36 <sbp> yeah, looking forward to seeing it
11:47:09 <Talliesin> A transitional font is most appropriate for something comparing tradition and innovation :)
11:47:12 <Talliesin> So am I. can't wait to have a physical *thing* in my hands :)
11:47:59 <sbp> yeah, I prefer that to digital copies
11:48:14 <Talliesin> I took a look at this kindle stuff.
11:48:21 <Talliesin> As far as I can see, it sucks.
11:48:28 <Talliesin> Limited character support.
11:48:36 <sbp> did you see about the iPad?
11:49:05 <Talliesin> If I did a kindle version I'd no longer be able to differentiate modern wicca from Anglo-Saxon wiċċa by spelling.
11:49:19 <sbp> bleh!
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11:49:32 <Talliesin> Yes. I take it that "pad" isn't slang for sanitary towel in the US then?
11:49:38 <sbp> what does kindle use? epub?
11:49:41 <sbp> nope, it is
11:49:47 <sbp> apparently a CNET host even referred to it
11:49:57 <sbp> much to the disgust(?) of her male colleagues
11:50:07 <sbp> dunno if that's true
11:50:13 <sbp> are people more squeamish in the US?
11:50:19 <Talliesin> kindle has a proprietary format.
11:50:24 <sbp> ah
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11:50:30 <sbp> g0: hell0
11:50:46 <Talliesin> But the iPad has Michael interested in looking at e-books.
11:50:49 <g0> ssbp: allo
11:50:56 <Talliesin> Possibly mainly as an excuse for buying an iPad.
11:52:02 <Talliesin> I imagine their font character coverage would be better also.
11:52:25 <sbp> hehe
11:52:28 <sbp> well it uses epub
11:52:31 <Talliesin> As proud as he is of Last Resort, he probably wouldn't want to see it appear in the middle of something he's setting.
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11:55:55 <Talliesin> Best comment on the iPad so far: "Flat thing good! Flat thing look nice! You will buy flat thing for $500! You will buy flat thing for $800! Buy flat thing!"
11:56:45 <Talliesin> And the guy who tweets as "DrSamuelJohnson" saying "Mrs THRALE beseeches me to view a Tablet of Apples."
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11:58:31 <Talliesin> libby appears to be entering and leaving so much her coat must be caught on the door.
11:58:36 <Talliesin> Also, there are three of her.
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15:40:08 <edsu> OMG DID YOU SEE THE NEWS ABOUT THE iPAD!!?
15:41:33 <Arnia> Yes
15:44:10 <Arnia> I want one.
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