Swhack! 22 February 2010
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00:49:02 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "Swach, a day of: <sbp> yo <nsh> haha, sourceforge is written in php"
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00:54:14 <jeanniecool> Penis?
00:54:38 <[bjoern]> No, thanks.
00:54:44 <[bjoern]> Hello jeanniecool.
00:54:45 * jeanniecool sighs
00:54:56 <jeanniecool> Howdy, [bjoern]!
00:55:05 <[bjoern]> How's not beeing dead?
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00:55:15 <jeanniecool> Pretty good for me.
00:55:18 <jeanniecool> And for you?
00:55:42 <[bjoern]> Do you have any preference regarding the inevitable lie?
00:55:55 <jeanniecool> Yes.
00:55:59 <[bjoern]> State it!
00:56:09 <jeanniecool> I'd like boundless enthusiastic hyperbole ftw, plz.
00:56:14 <sbp> [bjoern]
00:56:18 <sbp> fucking hell, seriously man
00:56:27 <sbp> do I think spinach goes well with bacon?
00:56:30 <[bjoern]> jeanniecool: What would be the opposite of that?
00:56:31 <sbp> this is a serious question
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00:56:41 <[bjoern]> sbp, your not-being-in-bed is disturbing.
00:56:47 <jeanniecool> You should, SeanB.
00:56:49 <[bjoern]> You've been doing that for weeks now.
00:56:50 <sbp> ANSWER THE SPINACH QUESTION
00:56:58 * jeanniecool tucks SeanB in, firmly-er this time.
00:57:00 <[bjoern]> SPINACH QUESTION
00:57:04 <[bjoern]> read it I might
00:57:24 <sbp> I'm only here to answer this question and then I've got to go, as jeanniecool commands!
00:57:28 <jeanniecool> The opposite, [bjoern], would be doomsday scenario with a healthy dose of bitterness.
00:57:28 <[bjoern]> You do think it goes well with it
00:57:34 <[bjoern]> I do have spinach, but no bacon
00:57:43 <[bjoern]> I should use up the spinach soonishly
00:58:07 <[bjoern]> Would a Wikilink ala [[My Life]] do, jeanniecool?
00:58:31 <sbp> damn man, thanks
00:58:37 <sbp> I've relayed this information and I think it's working
00:58:40 <sbp> I think they're buying it
00:58:57 <jeanniecool> Sure, [bjoern], but it's the lazy way out.
00:59:14 <[bjoern]> You could support your argument with tiny little squishy parasites.
00:59:21 <[bjoern]> Lazy I like.
00:59:57 * jeanniecool sighs
01:00:00 <jeanniecool> FINE.
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01:01:18 <nsh> AND DANDY
01:01:30 * jeanniecool giggles at nsh
01:01:36 <[bjoern]> Hello. It is I! I wish to summarize the discussion. Everything is going according to plan. And jsled likes it.
01:01:56 * jeanniecool likes Joshled
01:02:04 <jeanniecool> Ergo,
01:02:07 * jeanniecool likes it, too
01:02:36 <[bjoern]> The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club, teaches me xkcd.
01:03:59 <[bjoern]> jeanniecool: you mainly like the muscle action required to proply pronounce joshled as it reminds you of naughty things, so this very inappropriately behaving peopleperson is telling me.
01:04:56 <[bjoern]> This is to ask whether I have mentioned that I have switched from listening to tunes to listening to 3.7 GB MP3s.
01:05:23 * jeanniecool is *never* reminded of naughty things!!!
01:05:26 <jeanniecool> Hmm.
01:05:34 <jeanniecool> Or is that "*always*"?
01:05:35 <[bjoern]> You never need to be reminded.
01:05:38 * jeanniecool can never remember
01:05:41 <jeanniecool> ha!!
01:05:57 * jeanniecool peers around, making sure SeanB is firmly ensconced in bed
01:08:18 <[bjoern]> He might have transformed into Sean "Buffy" Palmer and slaughter hungry dentist-patients all night.
01:08:40 <jeanniecool> eep!
01:08:43 <jeanniecool> that's a bit scary
01:08:55 <[bjoern]> Only because it's sbp doing it
01:09:48 <jeanniecool> SeanB could never be scary.
01:09:51 * jeanniecool hearts SeanB.
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01:11:50 <[bjoern]> That's mostly because you watch U.S.-television.
01:11:58 * jeanniecool does
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01:14:39 <[bjoern]> If someone here had a Shiny Big Penis he could make an excellent comment.
01:15:02 * jeanniecool does not :-(
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01:18:29 <[bjoern]> Not even Monty is healthy, willing, and able.
01:19:51 <jeanniecool> So sad for Monty!
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12:36:37 <sbp> wow, php is written in sourceforge?
12:36:56 <sbp> oh, no, it's the other way round. well that's even worse!
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12:39:14 <sbp> 12:35 <linko> ...????
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12:50:31 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm
12:50:33 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - 'World's strongest' beer with 32% strength launched
12:50:40 <sbp> good name: Tactical Nuclear Penguin
12:51:25 <sbp> I also like how the BBC scare quoted "World's strongest" and only say in the article that this is a claim of the manufacturer, because presumably they can't be bothered to actually verify the story
12:52:00 <archels> "innovation in beer" != oxymoron?
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13:11:38 <[bjoern]> PHP is written in bogoC.
13:12:27 <jessica> hello, my doves.
13:13:31 <jessica> Oh, /. "jamesswift writes "The FSF have written an open letter to Google urging them to free the VP8 codec with an irrevocable royalty-free licence."
13:13:44 <jessica> http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/22/0921255/Free-Software-Foundation-Urges-Google-To-Free-VP8
13:13:50 <jessica> When you return to this planet, FSF, let me know.
13:16:44 <[bjoern]> Well VP6 is free already, so they are not that far off
13:17:26 <jessica> Also from the letter: "The world would have a new free format unencumbered by software patents."
13:23:06 <[bjoern]> Whats with the Swach in the topic anyway?
13:32:07 <[bjoern]> headline, "Twitter Hit By BZPharma LOL Phishing Attack"
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14:03:55 <Talliesin> My book is ranking better in Japan than US or GB right now, and not at all in CA or Europe. This is weird.
14:04:23 <[bjoern]> One reason is that europeans have this thing called taste.
14:04:34 <Talliesin> That's why it's weird.
14:04:36 <Talliesin> :p
14:05:10 <Talliesin> I expected sales in Japan to be, give or take, zero.
14:05:40 <[bjoern]> why, have you ever watched some of their game shows?
14:06:01 <Talliesin> I'm not exactly at big in Japan levels.
14:08:11 <clsn> I still don't see how you can make a 32% alcoholic beer. Beer yeasts can't survive more than about 10% alcohol.
14:08:39 <[bjoern]> Mix in pure alcohol
14:09:56 <clsn> That's not really "beer" then. You can distill alcohol, you can fortify wine, say, but then it's fortified wine, not really ordinary wine.
14:10:03 <clsn> This is more of a fortified beer I guess.
14:11:19 <clsn> The strongest you can make anything without distilling is... well, actually I think the mold they use in sake can handle more than Saccheromyces cervisae or however it should be spelled.
14:11:20 <[bjoern]> .wik Reinheitsgebot
14:11:21 <phenny> "The Reinheitsgebot (German pronunciation: [ˈʁaɪnhaɪtsɡəboːt] ( listen), literally 'purity order'), sometimes called the 'German Beer Purity Law' or the 'Bavarian Purity Law' in English, is a regulation concerning the production of beer in Germany." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot
14:11:38 <clsn> Ohyeah, of course, Germany knows that better than anyone.
14:12:03 <clsn> .wik brewer's yeast
14:12:04 <phenny> "Yeasts are eukaryotic micro-organisms classified in the kingdom Fungi, with about 1,500 species currently described;[1]| they dominate fungal diversity in the oceans." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer's_yeast
14:12:13 <clsn> I was trying to get the spelling.
14:13:23 <clsn> Saccharomyces cerevisiae
14:14:09 <[bjoern]> Careful, words like that could make britons warm up their beers and drop milk in it
14:14:59 <clsn> Drink your beer before it gets cold.
14:16:26 <clsn> You can always count of Japan: http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/01/31/milk-beer-bilk/
14:16:30 <clsn> .title
14:16:31 <phenny> clsn: Milk + Beer = Bilk | Japan Probe
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14:30:52 <Talliesin> The brits get to do that because unlike US beer you don't need to make sure it's too cold to taste.
14:31:11 <[bjoern]> What is this "US beer" you speak of?
14:32:18 <clsn> Talliesin: Oddly enough, that was pretty much my impression when I first tasted British beer.
14:33:09 <Talliesin> I have actually had good North American beer (Canadian rather than US), in a microbrewery. The stuff exported to here from both US and CA is poor though.
14:33:29 <Talliesin> Then again, Carlsberg and Tuborg are nice in Denmark, and horrible here.
14:34:22 <clsn> Yes, it isn't just where they're brewed. It's also a matter of style of beer, etc. And there are decent US microbreweries too.
14:35:05 <[bjoern]> -> Monkey Island IV
14:41:06 <sbp> [bjoern]: you should totally come play Warcraft with me and the Morbus and the d8uv
14:41:14 <sbp> free trial! no money down!
14:49:21 <[bjoern]> Yeah but since when do I do things I should do?
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16:04:22 <sbp> yeah but you should do this one
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16:58:06 <archels> .ety vertex
16:58:07 <phenny> "1570, 'the point opposite the base in geometry,' from L. vertex 'highest point,' lit. 'the turning point,' originally 'whirling column, whirlpool,' from vertere 'to turn' (see versus)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=vertex
17:04:24 <jessica> Talliesin: don't worry, there's precedent.
17:04:34 <jessica> Do you remember David Lynch's Twin Peaks television series?
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17:24:08 <Talliesin> I do.
17:25:15 <jessica> Do you remember the disastrous prequel film he made?
17:25:26 <Talliesin> Sadly, yes.
17:25:35 <jessica> That was a box-office smash in Japan.
17:25:58 <jessica> I actually never watched the series but got dragged into watching the prequel by my first husband.
17:26:00 <Talliesin> It probably had subtitles though.
17:26:09 <jessica> Amazingly, it wasn't grounds for divorce, but it was, ahem ...
17:26:12 <Talliesin> series was good. film, not so much
17:26:27 <jessica> Fuck, Talliesin, I'm a native English speaker and I wanted it to have subtitles.
17:26:35 <jessica> And annotation.
17:26:58 <Talliesin> Well, it helps to have seen the series first, but that only elevates it from nonsense to sucking.
17:27:05 <jessica> And, VH1 Pop-Up Video style notes, "We don't really get what the log is about, but one of the writers was dropping acid and it totally made sense that day."
17:27:45 <Talliesin> People have suggested that the .jp sales may be explained by a combination of service-men and -women stationed in JP and possibly people in AU ordering from the nearest amazon.
17:28:11 <Talliesin> The log communicates to the log-lady of course.
17:28:12 <jessica> I mean, I got it in good part, but there was an equally good part of me saying, "I don't think that even if I'd watched the series, there's any precedent for David Bowie being an FBI agent who refuses to speak and teleports."
17:28:50 <jessica> Yeah, I've had logs and rocks communicate to me before. Please see above for explanation. :p
17:29:50 <Talliesin> Maybe the subtitles for ja were such that it made more sense than in en
17:30:06 <Talliesin> Meanwhile, how are you, m'dear?
17:30:13 <jessica> To grossly simplify it, on a scale smaller than atoms, the quantum level, everything suddenly turns into a goddamn circus. Quantum physics is to regular everyday physics as a David Lynch film is to a mainstream blockbuster. We're talking particles popping in and out of existence, being in two places at the same time, and generally acting like assholes.
17:30:18 <jessica> http://www.cracked.com/article_16583_the-5-scientific-experiments-most-likely-to-end-world.html
17:30:34 <jessica> I'm terribly melancholy, but semper jessica, semper dolens.
17:30:55 <jessica> I will give TP this much credit: it made more sense than Lost Highway.
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17:33:15 <Talliesin> I haven't seen Lost Highway
17:33:21 <jessica> "Lynch has declined to offer an explanation of his intentions for the narrative."
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17:34:28 <Talliesin> Blue Velvet though, I liked immensely.
17:34:30 <jessica> I'm not sure if hearing Hunter S. Thompson / Anthony Burgess type "explanations" from Mr. Lynch is a plus or a minus.
17:34:55 <jessica> I like his earlier stuff too. But the later stuff is just ... dude, you are on drugs, right? Tell me it's drugs. That sort of feeling.
17:35:06 <Talliesin> And Twin Peaks, but Fire Walk With Me put me off his stuff.
17:36:08 <jessica> I stick with the "really, really, really good lsd" explanation. It makes me feel better.
17:36:40 <jessica> Although I'm now kind of considering street pharmacology.
17:37:23 <jessica> I'm thinking the best explanation would be cocaine laced with LSD, or PCP mixed with some pretty severe downers.
17:38:19 <Talliesin> I generally don't buy any drug-based explanation of any art, good or bad. It doesn't correspond to my experience of either artists, drug-users, nor drug-using artists.
17:38:54 <Talliesin> Obviously how someone medicates their own head will affect things, but not in that it's-the-drugs-directing sort of way.
17:39:08 <jessica> right, but this is the difference.
17:39:16 <jessica> david lynch couldn't give a rat's ass whether anything makes sense.
17:39:20 <jessica> it just has to match what's in his head.
17:39:34 <jessica> you can get something in your head on drugs and then commit it to film, much the same way you can a dream.
17:39:44 <jessica> it just doesn't make any sense to anyone else. ever.
17:40:13 <Talliesin> Twin peaks at its best was dream-like, but even dream-like story logic is not dream logic.
17:40:39 <jessica> FWWM is dream logic if any logic.
17:41:17 <Talliesin> And drug-logic is even further removed from getting-this-thing-actually-made-logic.
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17:59:11 <sbp> damn good cherry pie in Twin Peaks
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18:00:25 <jessica> ... and now we have discovered how idiots reproduce.
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18:00:27 <jessica> http://failblog.org/2010/02/22/google-search-fail/
18:01:04 <sbp> they accidentally get their genitals jammed in other idiots on their way to the shops
18:04:15 <sbp> Mandy's flinging shit again apparently
18:04:24 <sbp> smear vs. smear, the smearening
18:07:19 <sbp> oh this is great. the National Bullying Helpline gave out information that they've had calls from government workers who've been bullied. they've been criticised for giving this information out, but a lady from the Helpline was defending herself on BBC News
18:07:30 <sbp> she said they haven't given out any specific personal information, "Despite the fact that you guys have been very pushy in that respect."
18:08:10 <sbp> Media tries to bully Bullying Helpline - gets called out
18:08:25 <Talliesin> \o/
18:08:43 <sbp> I'm glad that the BBC didn't edit that bit out at least
18:09:04 <sbp> somebody in the editing room was probably all ":D" about it
18:09:31 <Talliesin> Because they were either bullying or being bullied by someone there.
18:09:38 <sbp> hehe
18:11:24 <sbp> they're following the homeopathy thing now
18:11:36 <sbp> govt. says NHS should stop spending money on homeopathy
18:11:44 <sbp> NHS is all, um, well we ought to decide that...
18:12:29 <sbp> I remember getting a book on homeopathy when I was very young
18:12:41 <sbp> decided to follow the instructions in the book to actually make a remedy
18:12:53 <sbp> it was so confusing to me that I thought I must have read the instructions wrong
18:13:08 <sbp> "but wait, if I dilute it this much there won't be any of the original substance left..."
18:13:28 <jessica> shock and horror and WTF is that?
18:13:52 <sbp> well again, you're on your way to the shops
18:13:57 <sbp> and your penis just gets jammed in there
18:14:04 <sbp> not looking where you're going, and hey there it goes
18:14:28 <jessica> and that's how you shot marvin in the face?
18:14:55 <sbp> well, it doesn't say with what!
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18:17:12 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Ein, zwei, drei, vier, I want a fucking stonking bier!"
18:17:42 <jeanniecool> Have a penis instead!
18:17:53 <sbp> I already have one! I don't want two!
18:17:57 <sbp> take it back, take it back
18:18:41 <jessica> ... I believe that the crowd at BME might have some ideas.
18:18:46 <jeanniecool> Are you sure, SeanB?
18:18:50 <jeanniecool> Might mean twice the fun!
18:19:20 <sbp> I don't think you understand multiplication by zero
18:19:30 <jeanniecool> jessica, I can't believe that has more hits than "swallowed my gum"!
18:21:47 <jeanniecool> Oh. :-(, SeanB
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18:26:15 * jeanniecool tickles TK over here, too - just to be thorough
18:26:35 * thomasknoll is spent
18:27:01 <sbp> oh, like an electron when its energy level drops
18:27:40 * jeanniecool tickles really well, SeanB
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18:28:06 <sbp> how are you at tickling electrons?
18:28:21 * jeanniecool is good at it
18:28:23 <jeanniecool> I'm positive!
18:28:29 <sbp> chuckle
18:29:38 <thomasknoll> hA
18:36:47 * jeanniecool killed the conversation
18:36:51 * jeanniecool starts it up again
18:36:52 <jeanniecool> PENIS!
18:36:56 <nsh-> CAKE
18:37:06 <[bjoern]> Nutrions.
18:37:08 <nsh-> anyone good at 3d modelling?
18:37:11 <[bjoern]> Yes.
18:37:17 * jeanniecool likes cake
18:37:24 <nsh-> cake would be nice
18:37:25 * jeanniecool is 3D, but she's never done any modeling
18:37:28 <jeanniecool> For very good reasons, that.
18:37:35 <[bjoern]> You could model a cake.
18:38:07 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: where men like looking at distressing images of heroin addicts showing their genitals for money"
18:38:17 <nsh-> i'd rather model three orthogonal unit vectors with the origin at the base of a sphere scaled such that the tips of the unit vectors touch the equator of the sphere
18:38:34 * jeanniecool loves how NSH made that sound kinda dirty....
18:39:02 <nsh-> yeah, i like how you make my name look like the towering letters of flame from the hitch-hikers' book
18:39:12 <nsh-> god's final message to his creation
18:39:35 <nsh-> but we have to have the top of the sphere somehow pinched down to touch the base
18:39:43 <nsh-> as i want to identify the point at infinity with the origin
18:39:54 <nsh-> kinda apple-shaped
18:40:12 <nsh-> make it so. i gotta get some cake
18:40:15 <sbp> I wouldn't buy an apple whose apex is consonant with its base
18:40:35 * jeanniecool would rather have cake, too, SeanB
18:40:52 <nsh-> why isn't there a place that delivers cake
18:40:53 <nsh-> cakehut
18:41:07 <nsh-> what makes pizza more worthy of semi-instant availability than cake?
18:41:24 <jeanniecool> Sometimes you need meat.
18:41:29 <nsh-> this is true
18:41:43 <jeanniecool> And cheese.
18:41:46 <nsh-> which is why i layer my cakes with baconic chickrens
18:41:49 * jeanniecool is hungry, dammit
18:42:11 <sbp> we do have take-away sushi here
18:42:15 <sbp> I ordered some once
18:42:22 <sbp> they sent it in a fucking taxi, I kid you not
18:42:23 <jeanniecool> sushi--
18:42:27 <jeanniecool> LOL!
18:42:32 <nsh-> sweet
18:42:39 <jeanniecool> Did you have to pay for it?
18:42:45 <sbp> yup
18:42:46 <jeanniecool> the cab, not the sushi, I mean.
18:43:24 <sbp> this was before sushi was particularly freely available
18:43:32 <sbp> but after I became addicted to it
18:43:33 * thomasknoll is so hungry he could eat a hobo
18:43:35 <sbp> that unhappy period...
18:43:35 <jeanniecool> expensive sushi!!
18:43:51 * jeanniecool hopes you mean at V's, TK, not a homeless guy
18:43:53 <sbp> at least I was ahead of the curve
18:44:31 <nsh-> are you still sushin?
18:44:32 <jeanniecool> curves++
18:44:39 <sbp> yup
18:44:52 <sbp> I had so much sushi at a restaurant in town once, even the waitresses said I'd had enough
18:45:02 <sbp> were reluctant to serve me any more. that was fucking GREAT
18:45:16 <sbp> (because I'm pretty thin, and rarely eat much out)
18:45:34 <jeanniecool> LOL
18:45:36 <nsh-> phenny, ko en "su-shin"?
18:45:37 <phenny> nsh-: "su-shin" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
18:45:39 <nsh-> meh
18:45:48 <jeanniecool> SeanB, was it all you-can-eat?
18:45:57 <sbp> nope, but I wasn't paying, so it was all good
18:46:25 <nsh-> all restaurants are "all you can eat", but only some are independently of price
18:46:35 <sbp> well this one wasn't
18:46:49 * nsh- nods
18:47:37 <sbp> they had lots of different kinds of sushi I'd never had before
18:47:47 <sbp> fuck knows what I ate there - some probably really scary stuff
18:47:54 <sbp> all very tasty
18:48:04 <[bjoern]> phenny: en fi "Life sucks, and then you don't die"?
18:48:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Elämä on perseestä, ja sitten eivät kuole" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
18:48:28 <sbp> it's like when I had haggis when I was a kid
18:48:35 <sbp> completely had no clue what it was
18:48:41 <sbp> so was able to give an objective verdict
18:48:44 <sbp> pretty tasty!
18:48:48 <[bjoern]> Haggis had you, so to speak.
18:48:56 <sbp> now that I know what it is, I'm a little more :| on the subject
18:49:03 <jeanniecool> Yeah.
18:49:22 * nsh- has yet to haggis
18:49:24 <jeanniecool> "I'm from the school of thought that most of scottish food is based on a dare."
18:49:25 <[bjoern]> You could have derived from the name that it is scottish.
18:49:31 <jeanniecool> Hmm, that's a poor paraphrase.
18:49:32 <sbp> Billy?
18:49:36 <[bjoern]> What?
18:49:41 <sbp> sup
18:49:43 <[bjoern]> nu
18:49:46 <sbp> k
18:50:11 <sbp> that to me was a conversational world
18:51:04 <sbp> "Even the crappiest wizard can turn a princess into a frog, but it takes a prince to turn a frog into a princess."
18:51:13 <sbp> possible motto for an auto-racing union. discuss
18:51:34 <[bjoern]> Usually the crappiest prince is sufficient though.
18:51:40 <clsn> It occurs to me. For first-person singular pronoun, where mere capitalization isn't enough: ꟾ
18:51:43 <sbp> thisis a good point
18:51:44 <clsn> .u ꟾ
18:51:44 <phenny> U+A7FE (No name found)
18:51:53 <sbp> looks like a cursor
18:51:55 <clsn> Well, it's an I LONGA
18:52:09 <sbp> .g UnicodeData
18:52:10 <phenny> sbp: http://docs.python.org/library/unicodedata.html
18:52:12 <sbp> NO
18:52:14 <sbp> .g UnicodeData.txt
18:52:15 <phenny> sbp: http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
18:52:19 <sbp> YES
18:52:24 <clsn> A7FE;LATIN EPIGRAPHIC LETTER I LONGA;
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18:52:42 <sbp> .py [line for line in urllib.urlopen('http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt').readlines() if 'A7FE' in line]
18:52:43 <phenny> ['A7FE;LATIN EPIGRAPHIC LETTER I LONGA;Lo;0;L;;;;;N;;;;;\n']
18:53:06 <clsn> Would I make up something like this? Make up a Unicode character? OK, I guess I would.
18:53:27 <sbp> just showing that phenny does not lack the functionality
18:53:42 <sbp> just that the functionality is a little obscijure
18:53:51 <clsn> Naturally phenny is fully functional.
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18:57:19 <sbp> .gc "Prester Holmes"
18:57:19 <phenny> "Prester Holmes": 0
18:58:36 <sbp> would make a good name for a freestyle trip hop rapper
18:58:46 <sbp> despite being a portmanteau of Prester John + Sherlock Holmes
18:58:58 <sbp> which I thought I just heard the hot weathergirl say
18:58:59 <[bjoern]> Presented by Vj Watson.
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20:59:18 <nsh> sbp
20:59:21 <nsh> python
20:59:26 <sbp> yes
20:59:32 <jeanniecool> penis
20:59:32 <[bjoern]> sb.py
20:59:45 <[bjoern]> I say I win.
20:59:51 <nsh> how hard is it to pause flow to ask for more data from your calling function?
21:00:07 <jeanniecool> Again with the dirty, nsh!
21:00:09 <nsh> is this what continuations are used for?
21:00:15 <nsh> you're over-sexed
21:00:29 <jeanniecool> ...doesn't that mean I'd be getting some, then?
21:00:47 <nsh> yeah, but it's all while you're in deep phase sleep
21:00:53 <nsh> and vile
21:01:19 <sbp> well, yes
21:01:25 <sbp> you'd have a while loop
21:01:29 <sbp> and it would be a generator
21:01:31 <nsh> sbp, or would you just be passed a generator and call its next method to get the rest of your tings
21:01:32 <nsh> yah
21:01:45 <sbp> well, a for loop
21:01:49 <sbp> for thing in generator:
21:01:51 <sbp> blah blah
21:02:07 <[bjoern]> lsd beach? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2.2563563,100.62061&ie=UTF8&ll=2.235151,100.622406&spn=0.511846,0.891266&t=h&z=11
21:02:14 * jeanniecool would much rather be awake for it :-/
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21:02:44 <nsh> oOo @ lsd beach
21:03:08 <sbp> Lower South Dakota?
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21:03:24 <sbp> .gc "Ellis Dee"
21:03:25 <phenny> "Ellis Dee": 6,340
21:03:27 <jeanniecool> HEY!
21:03:30 <sbp> hey!
21:03:32 <sbp> sup?
21:03:34 <nsh> so instead of passing a line to the parser, i pass it a generator object, and if it needs to slurpmoar (for function/loop definitions) it can suck on that titty
21:03:47 * nsh gives jeanniecool a look for disapproval for polluting his mind
21:03:49 <sbp> yeah
21:04:13 <sbp> buffers in python are generally generators now anyway
21:04:20 * jeanniecool is from SoDak, you know
21:04:30 <nsh> this is cool
21:04:32 <nsh> i check on pizza
21:04:36 <sbp> ôrly bird sez: ôrly?
21:04:37 * jeanniecool is a blameless holy creature, nsh
21:04:50 <sbp> I don't think I know any other Southern Dakotans
21:05:03 <sbp> but perhaps they're all closet ones like you were until just now!
21:05:17 <[bjoern]> You usually do not ask for details either after you hear someone's Usian.
21:05:26 <sbp> that's true
21:05:41 <sbp> just tend to say "oh? how unfortunate..."
21:05:47 <sbp> in my monumentally dismissive way
21:05:56 <sbp> poor America
21:06:17 <sbp> I blame Republicans!
21:06:23 * jeanniecool harrumphs
21:06:46 <[bjoern]> also weird is http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1.9411628,98.125215&sll=2.235151,100.622406&sspn=0.511846,0.891266&ie=UTF8&ll=1.832344,98.074951&spn=0.511974,0.891266&t=h&z=11
21:07:20 <sbp> Google aren't very good at oceans
21:07:36 <sbp> they just need more practice
21:07:52 <[bjoern]> That's their map drawer's rubber test site perhaps.
21:08:23 <[bjoern]> .leo Ratzefummel
21:08:25 <phenny> der Ratzefummel (ugs.) - Schülersprache = eraser, rubber
21:08:26 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Ratzefummel
21:08:33 <[bjoern]> .leo fummeln
21:08:35 <phenny> fummeln | fummelte, gefummelt | = to fumble
21:08:36 <phenny> an etw.Dat. fummeln (ugs.) | fummelte, gefummelt | = to twiddle with sth.
21:08:37 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=fummeln
21:09:12 <[bjoern]> ritze-ratze is Lautmalerei for a saw perhaps.
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21:30:28 <jeanniecool> My oreos are not separating cleanly.
21:30:46 <[bjoern]> penis.
21:31:51 * jeanniecool giggles
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21:35:48 <deltab> is there something that can subtract regexes? e.g. output one that matches filenames that don't end in .css or .js ?
21:36:04 <sbp> deltab: we worked on that in Swhack once, remember?
21:36:33 <[bjoern]> I have a tool that does that, unpublished...
21:36:43 <[bjoern]> I think I found an online service, didn't it?
21:37:03 <sbp> oh here we go
21:37:04 <sbp> r'\w|[^\Wp]\w|\w[^\Wy]|\w{3,}'
21:37:31 <sbp> that's "doesn't end in py" I think?
21:37:35 <sbp> of course, there is a way to cheat
21:37:56 <sbp> r'.*(?<!.js|.css)"
21:38:00 <sbp> well
21:38:04 <sbp> r'.*(?<!\.js|\.css)"
21:38:15 <sbp> there's always a way to cheat
21:41:08 <deltab> js regexes, so no lookbehind assertions
21:41:41 <deltab> sbp: 's why I'm asking here :-)
21:41:58 <sbp> yeah, you need The Mighty Alexander then
21:42:05 <sbp> and a small instruction manual
21:45:34 <sbp> [bjoern]: how many lines of code is the current Alexander?
21:45:43 <sbp> my version has 9827 lines
21:45:51 <[bjoern]> 10094
21:46:13 <[bjoern]> not done much there since i handed that version over to you
21:47:14 *** sbp changed the topic to: "#define ALXXLXNS"
21:50:03 <[bjoern]> (?:(?:\.(?:(?:(?:(?:cs|j)(?:|s)||c)\.)+|)(?:(?:cs|j)(?:s[^.]|[^.s])|c[^.s]|[^.cj])|[^.])+|)(?:\.(?:(?:(?:(?:cs|j)(?:|s)||c)\.)+|)(?:cs||[cj])|)
21:51:22 <[bjoern]> We could use p6eval to test it...
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21:53:01 <deltab> thanks!
21:53:03 <sbp> what were the exact steps you went through to produce that?
21:53:30 <sbp> omit no detail, however sordid
21:54:43 <jessica> ... you want pornographic levels of detail about forming a regular expression?
21:55:14 <[bjoern]> Copy some old randomly generated .xlx to deltab.xlx, modify it as required, spend a couple of minutes trying to find out why there is no output, and one of the versions crashes, be irritated by it claiming the regex does not match anything, add the missing <group> around the <not> contents launch again, works, pipe into file, call regex-opt on it, copy and paste
21:56:33 <MoiraA> hello all
21:56:55 <MoiraA> [bjoern] what is that above, could I ask?
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21:58:43 <sbp> .py dict((case, re.match(r'^(?:(?:\.(?:(?:(?:(?:cs|j)(?:|s)||c)\.)+|)(?:(?:cs|j)(?:s[^.]|[^.s])|c[^.s]|[^.cj])|[^.])+|)(?:\.(?:(?:(?:(?:cs|j)(?:|s)||c)\.)+|)(?:cs||[cj])|)$', case) and True or False) for case in ['abc.js', 'xyz.txt'])
21:58:43 <phenny> {'xyz.txt': True, 'abc.js': False}
21:59:17 <sbp> [bjoern]: could you paste deltab.xlx into paste.lisp.org/new/swhack?
21:59:26 <sbp> and the command line used
21:59:41 <sbp> jessica: yes
21:59:48 <sbp> MoiraA: a regular expression
21:59:57 <MoiraA> regex?
22:00:00 <sbp> yeah
22:00:08 <[bjoern]> what's with the paste bot?
22:00:15 <MoiraA> do people know that off by heart?
22:00:22 <sbp> paste bot is gone, like Monty
22:00:26 <sbp> all our bots are abandoning us
22:00:36 <sbp> MoiraA: nope, it was automatically generated by The Mighty Alexander
22:00:53 <sbp> so technically [bjoern] could figure it out, he'd just have to compile his own code in his head...
22:01:24 <MoiraA> doesn't bear thinking about :)
22:01:38 <sbp> it's only 10094 lines...
22:01:45 <[bjoern]> http://paste.lisp.org/display/95442
22:01:52 <MoiraA> I'm making a start on python and I was hoping this wasnt going to be something I had to learn
22:02:14 <sbp> oh that is some sweet hot kinky regular xml-sexpressionality right there
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22:03:16 <sbp> I almost want to Tweet! it
22:03:33 <jessica> ...
22:03:48 <jessica> If you start Twittering regexes, you realise how many followers you'll have inside of an hour?
22:04:01 <sbp> hehe. yeah, too many
22:04:05 <sbp> there's a tweet this link right on the page
22:04:44 <sbp> anyway, it's not a regex, it's a RELAX NG workalike for Unicode strings in that paste...
22:05:06 <sbp> echo sanity | alexander > chaos
22:05:14 <sbp> is basically how it works
22:05:27 <[bjoern]> It does not yet read from stdin though.
22:05:51 <sbp> well, you could do <(cat) or =(cat)
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22:06:17 <sbp> also please may I have the latest version?
22:06:24 <sbp> of THE CHAOS TOOL
22:07:11 <sbp> I feel sick at the fact that I am missing so many lines of pure unadulterated adultery
22:08:06 <sbp> in a perfect world, you'd be using a GUI which had a right click context menu item saying "Send this to sbp"
22:08:14 <[bjoern]> what's your version dated / in size?
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22:08:26 <jeanniecool> oooh
22:08:41 <sbp> $ wc alexander.cxx
22:08:42 <sbp> 9827 27765 250639 alexander.cxx
22:08:47 <sbp> $ md5 alexander.cxx
22:08:47 <sbp> MD5 (alexander.cxx) = 94a0808bf0ccbe290ed7427b1fffe961
22:09:03 <sbp> approximate date: 10th March 2009
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22:11:53 <clsn> [bjoern]: The Mighty Alexander = what?
22:11:54 <[bjoern]> One of the major changes since then is that I've updated the copyright year from 2008 to 2009.
22:12:03 <sbp> hehe
22:12:20 <sbp> no, wait
22:12:23 <sbp> my version has 2009 in it
22:12:48 <[bjoern]> in the --help output?
22:13:00 <sbp> ah, nope
22:13:47 <[bjoern]> Alexander is a tool written in C to mainly validate texts against user-defined grammars.
22:13:53 <sbp> "Alexander is a grammar engine capable of deciding a superset of the context free languages. Given a formal grammar and a string, Alexander decides whether the string matches the grammar."
22:14:11 <sbp> would be a better way of putting it, [bjoern]
22:14:12 <[bjoern]> Very well put
22:14:15 <sbp> thank you
22:15:14 <clsn> OK, so in a sense a parser-generator, or a parser that parses according to a given grammar and reports success/failure...?
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22:15:20 <sbp> clsn: but technically speaking, what is cool about it is that [bjoern] created a crazy XML RELAX NG workalike for Unicode strings called XLX and, as you can see above, can be provoked into turning simple input in that grammar into crazy pcre nonsense
22:15:36 <sbp> I believe he also used it to make his javascript URI validation stuff?
22:15:51 <[bjoern]> Yeah
22:16:25 <sbp> he also made a regexp minimiser, which is public
22:16:36 <[bjoern]> regex-opt is not mine
22:16:50 <clsn> yeeg. not seeing how you get such a monster regex out of it, but I'll take your word for it.
22:17:21 <[bjoern]> Grammar -> DFA -> standard algorithm (and then run regex-opt over it)
22:17:44 <[bjoern]> (mainly because Alexander writes X as [\x{X}..\x{X}] and such)
22:18:06 <clsn> ok...
22:18:13 <sbp> oh, thought it was
22:18:54 <clsn> DFAs don't generate CFLs; you need a PDA for that, don't you? And more TLAs.
22:19:23 <sbp> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/regexopt.html
22:20:57 <sbp> I guess you were going to write one and then found that
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22:21:30 <sbp> I think I basically remember you moaning for a week about there being no regex optimisers, and then the next week there was one, and for some reason I pigeonholed that as "well I guess he rolled up his sleeves and fixed that himself"
22:21:43 <sbp> I apologise for thinking such atrocious things as that about you
22:21:59 <[[sroracle]]> Afternoon ladies and gentlemen, and Monty
22:22:08 * clsn thinks far worse about [bjoern] every day, and twice on Sundays.
22:22:09 <sbp> no Monty, no lisppaste2
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22:22:18 <[[sroracle]]> Well this is quite queer
22:22:29 <sbp> they probably ran away together
22:22:30 <[[sroracle]]> Where have our trusty companions gone?
22:22:34 <[[sroracle]]> I see
22:22:34 <sbp> the Monty dish with the lisppaste2 spoon
22:24:44 <sbp> [bjoern]: why is there a to-xlx function?
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22:44:12 <[bjoern]> dumps the grammar, for debugging mainly
22:44:37 <sbp> ah
22:44:48 <[bjoern]> (internally non-recursive <ref>s are expanded, there are plenty of simplification functions, so it can be quite different from the input)
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23:01:20 <[bjoern]> http://books.google.com/books?id=SG8RAAAAIAAJ&q=bottschlotter&dq=bottschlotter&num=50&cd=43 (upside down snippet)
23:02:40 <sbp> I hope that word means "peculiarly upside-down"
23:02:50 <sbp> .leo bottschlotter
23:02:53 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=bottschlotter
23:03:23 <sbp> .leo schlotter
23:03:24 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=schlotter
23:03:26 <sbp> .leo bott
23:03:28 <phenny> Bott method (phys.) = das Bott-Verfahren
23:03:29 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=bott
23:03:33 <[bjoern]> It's a region around 54.707838, 8.820477
23:03:34 <sbp> .leo bottsch
23:03:35 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=bottsch
23:03:36 <sbp> ah
23:05:03 <[bjoern]> it's historically important as putting it behind a Deich was rather difficult, and without it, my place would still be a Hallig.
23:05:23 <[bjoern]> (possibly an underwater hallig)
23:05:47 <sbp> ooh, submarinohallig. vessels would have to manoeuvre around it
23:06:19 <[bjoern]> whole new meaning for "get off my lawn"
23:06:24 <[bjoern]> We had
23:06:25 <[bjoern]> .wik Jan Leeghwater
23:06:26 <phenny> "Jan Adriaanszoon Leeghwater (1575, De Rijp, Netherlands - 1650) was a Dutch mill builder and hydraulic engineer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Leeghwater
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23:06:31 <sbp> I'm currently wrestling hypertext topology
23:06:44 <[bjoern]> do it. He kinda succeeded, but still had to flee back to the netherlands
23:06:49 <sbp> does Leeghwater mean leekwater?
23:07:00 <[bjoern]> "Only later did he adopt the name Leeghwater, from laag water or low water."
23:07:06 <sbp> bah
23:07:35 <sbp> oh, -zoon is like Mc isn't it?
23:07:45 <sbp> Jan McAdrian Lowwater
23:07:45 <clsn> Or -son.
23:07:55 <sbp> ah, I see
23:08:02 <clsn> Jan? or perhaps John or Jon?
23:08:03 <sbp> all makes sense!
23:08:14 <[bjoern]> phenny, nl en "zoon"?
23:08:15 <phenny> [bjoern]: "son" (nl to en, translate.google.com)
23:08:16 <sbp> John Adrianson Low-water
23:08:21 <sbp> actually
23:08:27 <clsn> If everything makes sense, you're probably doing something wrong.
23:08:30 <sbp> John "Low Water" Adrianson
23:08:47 <[bjoern]> More like it
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23:15:03 <treed> clsn: Attribution?
23:15:19 <[bjoern]> clsn.
23:15:39 <clsn> I made that up just now, but I'm certain someone else has done so before, and I may have heard it.
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23:46:49 <[bjoern]> .u g t o e
23:46:50 <phenny> U+2265 GREATER-THAN OR EQUAL TO (≥)
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