Swhack! 6 April 2010

00:00:01 <sbp> whilst I don't disagree with them, they have not said this so much before
00:00:01 <[bjoern]> Not as far as I bothered to notice
00:00:19 <sbp> perhaps people like Easter because it's a really cheap Christmas only with rabbits instead of reindeer
00:01:28 <sbp> "On the islands Feer/Föhr, Oomram/Amrum and Söl/Sylt, it is a sport for the island youth to try to take down the biikes of neighbouring villages before it is lit."
00:01:36 <sbp> anyway, pigeon time
00:01:39 <sbp> 'night!
00:04:26 <[[sroracle]]> good night sbp
00:05:34 <[bjoern]> night
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01:31:11 <BigJibby> .u ◉
01:31:11 <phenny> U+25C9 FISHEYE (◉)
01:31:31 <BigJibby> ◉..◉
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04:21:42 <Monty> welcome, BigJibby_
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08:49:02 <scottrageous> any of you guys seen a module for phenny that allows users to add terms and definitions for phenny to define when asked?
08:57:22 <Arnia> That's a new unit... mW per hour
08:59:49 <nogagplz> kilomiles per legup?
09:00:34 <Arnia> Someone just described energy consumption of a laptop in mW per hour
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09:39:31 <sbp> anybody got any drupalgardens invites?
09:41:33 <sbp> http://is.gd/bfRYJ
09:42:40 <[bjoern]> Whack Morbus on the head with a purple stick for 2 1/2 hours.
09:43:02 <[bjoern]> I am unsure if you get your invite out of it, but you'll feel better.
09:43:20 <sbp> already have done, yeah
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09:44:21 <sbp> Reuters: May 6th election
09:44:26 <sbp> IT BEGINS
09:44:38 <sbp> we're going to be hearing nothing but election crap now for a month
09:44:42 <[bjoern]> Are we electing anyone I care about?
09:44:49 <sbp> no
09:45:38 <[bjoern]> Don't vote for austrians
09:46:08 <[bjoern]> Also: don't make me think it's may.
09:48:12 <[bjoern]> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8604254.stm is scarily british at the beginning
09:48:28 <[bjoern]> and the middle
09:49:04 <[bjoern]> and the end
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09:55:05 <sbp> .title
09:55:06 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Brown to call 6 May election
09:55:26 <sbp> I will read this after walkies
09:56:16 <[bjoern]> unreadable
10:25:08 <sbp> oh. yes
10:25:12 <sbp> almost unwatchable too
10:25:26 <[bjoern]> quite
10:25:58 <sbp> http://www.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ZQdH9.jpg
10:27:35 <sbp> http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/154552/THIRTY-SECOND-TICKET-LETTER.jpg
10:27:47 <sbp> ew, Huff
10:27:51 <sbp> sorry, didn't realise
10:27:59 <sbp> thought it was one of those non lame websites
10:27:59 <[bjoern]> looks long and boring
10:28:33 <sbp> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/this_is_not_a_spiral.html
10:29:00 <[bjoern]> You think there are non-lame websites.
10:29:49 <sbp> http://www.atheistcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/thisidontbelieve.jpg
10:29:49 <Monty> oh. yes
10:30:01 <sbp> Monty agrees with me, in a manner of tweaking
10:30:05 <Monty> http://www.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ZQdH9.jpg
10:30:40 <sbp> already posted that one
10:30:42 <sbp> http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/w/u/wunderlola/loverug_large.jpg
10:31:23 <sbp> http://www.prguitarman.com/comics/275_bestdayeverHD.gif
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10:32:58 <sbp> .title http://firedoglake.com/2010/04/05/new-gallup-poll-tea-party-less-popular-than-russia-communist-china/
10:32:58 <phenny> sbp: New Gallup Poll: Tea Party Less Popular than Russia, Communist China | Firedoglake
10:34:20 <sbp> http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/04/03/check-this-out-100-pixar-characters-real-size-comparison/
10:36:37 <sbp> best paragraph in BBC News so far today:
10:36:43 <sbp> "He immediately notified the security authorities, who he said combed the area looking for the aliens. They did not find any." — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8604122.stm
10:37:43 <[bjoern]> Expect punishment for loverug_large.jpg
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10:40:14 <sbp> heh, heh
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10:43:32 <sbp> though really, what else could you expect from a .ru domain with "wunderlola/loverug_large.jpg" in it?
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10:54:48 <sbp> —
10:54:49 <sbp> # So there was a joke here about the twitter business model
10:54:49 <sbp> # but I got rid of it. Not because I want this codebase to
10:54:49 <sbp> # be "professional" in any way, but because someone forked
10:54:49 <sbp> # this and deleted the comment because they couldn't take
10:54:49 <sbp> # a joke. Hi guy!
10:54:50 <sbp> #
10:54:52 <sbp> # Fact: The number one use of Google Code is to look for that
10:54:54 <sbp> # comment in the Linux kernel that goes "FUCK me gently with
10:54:56 <sbp> # a chainsaw." Pretty sure Linus himself wrote it.
10:55:00 <sbp> —
10:55:02 <sbp> http://github.com/sixohsix/twitter/blob/master/twitter/ircbot.py#L253
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11:11:09 <sbp> .title http://www.1stbyte.com/2005/06/26/configure-and-compile-python-with-zlib/
11:11:12 <phenny> sbp: Configure and compile Python with Zlib - 1st Byte Solutions
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11:57:44 <sbp> .u 2203
11:57:44 <phenny> U+2203 THERE EXISTS (∃)
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12:21:01 <sbp> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=43410
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12:25:21 <Mizaku> Ths is called silence
12:25:22 <Monty> quite a moment
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12:26:35 <sbp> heheh
12:34:53 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8604912.stm
12:34:55 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - North Korean Red Star operating system details emerge
12:37:48 <sbp> haha. daraobriain RT @ChicaLolita: I hope there aren't any slashfics based on Three Men in a Boat. We'd have to burn the internet.
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14:07:52 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's appletizer!
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14:15:32 <sbp> both the National Archives and National Trust say they're stopping providing updates during the election, as government agencies
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14:18:25 <Monty> Thank goodness, kpreid is back!
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15:21:30 <Arnia> sbp: Really? Curious...
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16:32:43 <[bjoern]> Your linefeeds continue to be unreviewed.
16:33:41 <sbp> yeah, didn't you say it would take two weeks or so?
16:33:53 <sbp> I suspect they've got loads of other linefeed insertions to review!
16:34:01 <sbp> and you bash one down and three more pop up
16:34:02 <[bjoern]> Well up to, I'd think
16:34:18 <sbp> how will I know once they've reviewed it?
16:34:28 <sbp> will they send me congratulatory snarls by email?
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16:36:30 <[bjoern]> Yes, that is exactly what they do.
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16:48:27 <Monty> yo panni_!
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17:02:30 <[bjoern]> "The rules of word game Scrabble are being changed for the first time in its history to allow the use of proper nouns, games company Mattel has said."
17:04:22 <Arnia> Gizmodo said that for the first time Scrabble will allow nouns
17:04:35 <Arnia> I hit my head on the desk
17:04:45 <[bjoern]> Good for you.
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17:06:28 * Arnia hits his head on [bjoern] instead
17:06:35 <sbp> woah, we can use nouns now?
17:06:40 <sbp> what about verbs? any word on those?
17:06:43 <sbp> HAHA DO YOU GET THAT
17:06:50 <sbp> WORD ON THEM. AND VERB MEANS WORD
17:07:15 <sbp> (etymologically)
17:07:29 <[bjoern]> cease your adverbial attacks
17:07:48 <Arnia> I'm determined...
17:08:50 <[bjoern]> "Physicist Creates Most Magnetic Material on Earth, Might Overturn Laws of Physics" - http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-04/most-magnetic-material-ever-created-iron-and-nitrogen-might-overturn-laws-physics
17:10:47 <[bjoern]> "A Magnetic Field Applied to the Brain Can Alter People's Sense of Morality"
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17:12:03 <[bjoern]> "Yard-Long Undersea Bug Terrorizes Robo-Sub, Internet" - http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-03/giant-25-foot-isopod-terrorizes-robo-sub-internet
17:14:44 <[bjoern]> "DARPA Chief Testifies That US May Soon Face Critical Nerd Shortage" - http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-04/darpa-chief-testifies-us-faces-critical-nerd-shortage
17:15:38 <[bjoern]> "To help rectify this problem, Dugan suggests targeting teenagers with scholarships, contests with iPod prizes, and career days as a means of generating interest in science, technology, engineering, and medicine."
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17:17:34 <[bjoern]> "New Evidence that Mysterious Dark Force From Outside Tugs at Our Universe" - http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-03/mysterious-dark-force-beyond-known-universe-tugging-visible-galaxies
17:17:39 <[bjoern]> Well they do have good headlines.
17:18:00 <[bjoern]> "First came dark matter, the gravitational source from within our galaxy that astronomers couldn't see. Then came dark energy, the undetectable force pushing the expansion of the universe. Now, NASA scientists believe they have confirmed a new player, dubbed "dark flow," that is dragging hundreds of galaxies along the same path"
17:18:09 <[bjoern]> Doesn't that contradict the nerd shortage theory?
17:19:52 <sbp> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/06/anglican-church-special-relationship-defence-america
17:19:55 <sbp> classic (scary) pix
17:20:21 <[bjoern]> Blair looks like he is prepairing to bite his cyanite tooth.
17:20:59 <[bjoern]> Bush made me think if Beavis and Butthead.
17:22:08 <[bjoern]> .wik B&B
17:22:09 <phenny> "Bed and breakfast, a type of accommodation for travellers" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B&B
17:24:01 <sbp> Beavis & Breakfast
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17:30:00 <sbp> watching the DEB debate
17:30:36 <sbp> http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23debill
17:31:21 <sbp> "Respect to Austin Mitchell, admits he knows nothing about #DEBill but turned because lots of people mailed him. Shows the rest up somewhat."
17:31:41 <Arnia> 'Tory govt would be "the most tech-savvy in history" says @grantshapps, then says the iPhone is open source...' (from that guy's feed)
17:34:25 <sbp> turnout is distressingly low
17:34:28 <sbp> lots of comments about that
17:34:56 <sbp> most unsatisfactory process this MP has ever engaged in, he says
17:34:57 <nslater> ""Finally, a new material that will make an electric personal aviation system possible!!! Yeah yeah, once the manufacturing of a material like this is able to replace the mags we currently use it could even open up the realm of the pure electric drive(ala Tesla), not to mention cleaner power, uber efficient electric vehicles of common use... but what get's my blood running is this..."
17:35:00 <sbp> Peter Luff
17:35:22 <nslater> sbp - whats the debate about/
17:35:31 <sbp> but he's going to vote for it anyway
17:35:38 <sbp> about the Digital Economy Bill
17:35:45 <sbp> which is making pretty much everybody mad
17:35:48 <nslater> "You know, sometimes I think that if Apple made a jet pack, it would be adopted widely enough for other companies to want to duplicate and in turn, make the products more cheaper as they figure out ways to churn them out at a cheaper and more efficient rate. Of course, Apple's jet pack would surely still cost 30% more than the next guy, but they would probably idiot-proof it enough to where its relatively safe.
17:35:49 <[bjoern]> Twitter looks quite different in Firefox compared to Opera
17:36:07 <[bjoern]> .wik debill
17:36:09 <phenny> "William Ford Gibson (born March 17, 1948) is an American-Canadian writer who has been called the 'noir prophet' of the cyberpunk subgenre of science fiction." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson
17:36:28 <nslater> "Why is it that two magnets whose similar poles when clamped together fall faster than a non-magnetic material? When opposite poles are joined, then the magnets fall slower. Could this be the basis for magnet motors?"
17:36:32 <nslater> what.
17:36:39 <nslater> sbp: thx
17:36:42 <sbp> http://chaos.faxpad.org:9000/EDOIOcoAxM
17:36:48 <sbp> list of MPs who bothered to turn up
17:36:54 <Arnia> sbp: http://twitter.com/SLSingh/status/11651927604
17:36:58 <nslater> "Sorry, only 16 people are allowed to edit a single pad at the same time in the free version of EtherPad."
17:37:01 <nslater> sbp ^
17:37:05 <[bjoern]> That's make a good Wikipedia lemma
17:37:07 <nslater> apparently you cant view either
17:37:13 <jsled> sbp give them money so I can see it.
17:37:45 <jsled> PAY FOR MY INTERNET.
17:38:21 <Arnia> ... this scares me: http://fuckyeahdlr.tumblr.com/
17:39:07 <sbp> "RT @cyberdoyle: 16 MPs hold the future of the internet in their hands at present. Where are the rest?"
17:40:11 <sbp> this is probably one of the most watched Parliament debates in modern times, heh
17:40:17 <nslater> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/apr/06/digital-economy-bill-richard-stallman
17:40:19 <phenny> nslater: Digital economy bill: One clown giveth and the other clown taketh away | Richard Stallman | Technology | guardian.co.uk
17:40:40 <sbp> please don't paste Stalllman articles when we're trying to be serious
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17:42:53 <sbp> hehe. '@FreshPlastic: I'm watching the Parliament channel. 'Tis the only place they're not talking about Brown or Cameron.'
17:43:59 <[bjoern]> .g seconds in a month / 10
17:43:59 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://experimentalgameplay.com/blog/2010/03/10-seconds/
17:44:03 <[bjoern]> .calc seconds in a month / 10
17:44:37 <sbp> gah, how many pages does this guy have
17:45:11 <[bjoern]> That's a good question when someone dresses as a book.
17:45:36 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (113, 'No route to host') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
17:46:13 <sbp> gah, @DrEvanHarris is tweeting and isn't even in the chamber
17:46:20 <sbp> he's just tweeting about random rubbish
17:46:26 <sbp> instead of doing his job as an MP
17:46:31 <[bjoern]> Monty hacked his account.
17:46:32 <Monty> "Respect to remember this context?)
17:46:54 <sbp> he's tweeting about astrology for goodness' sake
17:48:26 <nslater> heh
17:48:33 <nslater> hey, better than tweeting about html5 or something
17:48:37 <sbp> Luff is reading out the Clause 43 site now
17:49:17 <nslater> what link can i use to watch it?
17:49:22 <nslater> or will it be on sky?
17:49:23 <sbp> Tom Watson saying more sensibles
17:49:34 <sbp> .g BBC iPlayer Parliament
17:49:35 <phenny> sbp: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/channels/?filter=channel%3Abbc_parliament&order=aztitle%3Aalphabetical
17:49:47 <sbp> nslater: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_parliament/
17:50:29 <nslater> what sky channel is it?
17:50:56 <sbp> haha, he gave out the number for the owner of the original photo I think?
17:50:57 <nslater> 504
17:50:59 <nslater> wicked
17:50:59 <sbp> dunno, missed that. damn
17:51:00 <nslater> watching
17:51:30 <nslater> do i need any context?
17:51:43 <sbp> everybody hates bill
17:51:46 <sbp> all but two MPs care
17:51:49 <nslater> haha, that man looks like he's asleep
17:51:58 <sbp> yeah, he's been like that for ages now
17:52:15 <nslater> is this sion guy cool?
17:52:28 <nslater> or is he the big baddy?
17:52:36 <sbp> don't know yet
17:52:42 <sbp> he's speaking so slowly and contentlessly
17:52:46 <nslater> my first impressions are that he's leading it
17:52:51 <nslater> he's a blooooody aweful speaker
17:53:02 <nslater> he should be a greengrocer instead or something
17:53:03 <sbp> I believe he's for it
17:53:12 <sbp> he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about though
17:53:22 <sbp> since he's using just a chain of empty buzzwords so far
17:53:25 <nslater> well, he's just waffling isn't he
17:53:29 <sbp> yeah
17:53:38 <nslater> but like, good politicians waffle impressively
17:53:42 <nslater> this is just embarassing
17:53:51 <nslater> HAH!
17:53:54 <nslater> that was funny
17:54:02 <nslater> wtf
17:54:10 <nslater> erm
17:54:15 <nslater> "clay shirky is obi wan kenobi"
17:54:21 <nslater> did i just hear an mp say that??
17:54:31 <sbp> he was referring to Tom Watson as Luke Skywalker
17:55:19 <sbp> "Hilarious Star Wars metaphors. Not."
17:55:21 <nslater> is he REALLY wasting time picking apart a starwars joke?
17:55:36 <nslater> i like tom watson
17:55:42 <nslater> he's only said about 10 words in my life
17:55:47 <sbp> heh, heh
17:56:05 <sbp> yeah, Watson basically points out that he doesn't know what he's going on about
17:56:19 <sbp> man, what is this guy going on about. heh
17:56:22 <nslater> heh
17:56:26 <nslater> i think he's just listing things now
17:56:33 <sbp> glad he's stepping down in parliament after this
17:56:35 <nslater> Pens, Apples, Lights, Girls, the Sea, Hair
17:56:38 <sbp> shame he didn't step down before it
17:56:53 <Arnia> Is he really mentioning Clay Shirky in a parliamentary debate
17:57:00 <sbp> "pperrin #debill WTF is he on about??"
17:57:04 <nslater> yep, and he compared him to obi wan kenobi
17:57:14 <nslater> and speilburg is a sith lord
17:57:46 <nslater> ugh
17:57:50 <nslater> "we need new paradigms"
17:57:59 <sbp> this is the idiot MP who did this:
17:58:00 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6044222.stm
17:58:01 <nslater> his face needs a new paradigm
17:58:07 <sbp> he also cheated on his expenses
17:58:09 <sbp> just saying
17:58:12 <nslater> omg
17:58:18 <nslater> who is this guy?
17:58:23 <sbp> Sion Simon
17:58:27 <nslater> WHO IS THIS GUY?
17:58:32 <nslater> (it was rhetorical .__.)
17:59:00 <nslater> LOL
17:59:02 <nslater> what?
17:59:18 <nslater> he was interupted by an mp who interupted him to suggest that he was like yoda
17:59:29 <nslater> this is the STRANGEST house of commons debate ive seen
17:59:39 <sbp> this is the most unprofessional moment I recall in the house too
17:59:51 <nslater> .w ambrogate
17:59:52 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for ambrogate.
17:59:54 <sbp> can't wait to read the Hansard
17:59:54 <nslater> .w abrogate
17:59:56 <phenny> abrogate — verb: 1. (trans.) To annul by an authoritative act; to abolish by the authority of the maker or her or his successor; to repeal; -- applied to the repeal of laws, decrees, ordinances, the abolition of customs, etc, 2. (trans.) To put an end to; to do away with — adjective: 1. (ob[...]
17:59:59 <sbp> perhaps it will make more sense in text
18:00:29 <nslater> "it doesn't criminalise anything - it simply seeks to re-enforce the existing law"
18:00:31 <sbp> Jeremy Corbyn interjects with some sanity
18:00:43 <sbp> reinforce
18:00:54 <nslater> i mean what i say and say what i mean
18:01:27 <sbp> getting jeered for not giving way
18:02:37 <Arnia> He just basically quoted the CC licence :p
18:02:42 <nslater> which bit?
18:02:47 <sbp> (he took 9 seconds by my count)
18:02:50 <nslater> heh!
18:03:02 <nslater> haha
18:03:09 <nslater> "if they are cut off, they will have deserved to be cut off"
18:03:18 <nslater> mmm. circular justification. yum
18:03:24 <Arnia> The 'reuse, remix' bit
18:03:34 <Arnia> 'educate and inform them'
18:03:37 <Arnia> oh dear...
18:03:50 <Arnia> Freedom fighters?!
18:03:53 * Arnia sighs
18:06:09 <sbp> I'm not sure why I tuned in to watch this legislative train wreck
18:06:18 <Arnia> "glynwintle RT @daveyp: I think Sion Simon MP is probably Jar Jar Binks #debill"
18:06:47 <nslater> WHAT!
18:06:54 <nslater> he just said "respec'"
18:06:57 <nslater> @___@
18:07:07 <nslater> i want to see that in the hansard
18:07:17 <Arnia> Poor Hansard transcribers
18:07:25 <Arnia> They must wince
18:08:29 <nslater> oh dear
18:08:37 <nslater> mp's should really avoid "jokes"
18:08:39 <nslater> it's so painful
18:08:53 <nslater> its like watching my dad try to use the slang that hope uses
18:09:33 <Arnia> They can make jokes, but one's appropriate to the situation
18:09:37 <Arnia> -'
18:09:57 <Arnia> God, who knew parliamentarians were *this* geeky?
18:10:08 <sbp> you mean the twelve who turned up
18:10:11 <Arnia> I knew they were bad (I've got several PPC friends), but still
18:10:18 <nslater> i cant imagine any situation in which a white middle aged mp making a joke about black youth slang was appropriate
18:10:53 <sbp> I like how Pete Wishart is making arguments from the year 2000
18:11:21 <nslater> at least he's a good speaker
18:11:26 <Arnia> He's been asleep for 10 years
18:11:27 <sbp> basically "we should treat digital works the same as physical works"
18:11:38 <Arnia> Got lost in the corridors and only just got out
18:11:40 <sbp> (no argument why, just assumes it's obvious)
18:11:41 <sbp> hehe
18:11:52 <nslater> woah, his tooth whistle are doing my head in
18:12:14 <sbp> the what? hyper-bowl?
18:12:18 <nslater> hehe
18:12:24 <nslater> HyperBowl 2002
18:12:25 <sbp> is that one step up from the superbowl?
18:12:39 <sbp> wow, he's actually read some of the bill
18:12:53 <Arnia> He's re...
18:12:55 <Arnia> yes
18:13:01 <sbp> some of it
18:13:23 <Arnia> I like how he doesn't see the issues of process as relevant
18:13:55 <nslater> i wonder if it's occured to them that criminalising an entire generation of people is a misstep and may point to the law needing adjustment
18:14:07 <nslater> like you said, it seems to be accepted as fact that what they are doing *is* WRONG
18:14:12 <Arnia> doubtful
18:15:14 <Arnia> He's sort of dissolved into bad sentence structure
18:15:22 <sbp> "According to Pete Wishart sharing is bad, so am I evil for using the library?"
18:15:41 <nslater> haha
18:15:44 <nslater> "its not sharing, it's taking"
18:15:52 <nslater> i think he misunderstand how digital copying works @__@
18:16:21 <Arnia> ah, it is all a conspiracy is it?
18:16:33 <nslater> heeh
18:16:35 <nslater> its kinda funny
18:16:44 <sbp> "@c64er: RT @nick_clegg If you oppose the #debill, then why aren't your MPs in the chamber discussing it? I was poised to vote LD; am now rethinking."
18:17:02 <nslater> an ENTIRE generation (or three) of the uk's population, AND the telcos, AND the telcos who are ALSO rights holders are ALL wrong
18:17:13 <sbp> "Why is it that someone who's been following #debill on Twitter probably knows more about debill than the MPs debating it?! Should be ashamed"
18:17:58 <nslater> weird comparison between sharing songs and providing a utility service
18:18:04 <nslater> not sure he's thought that argument through very well
18:18:27 <nslater> you know - i wish i could put rms in the house of commons
18:18:31 <nslater> not because i agree with rms
18:18:32 <nslater> ... but
18:18:50 <nslater> i think a political merging of those two forces would produce something quite reasonable
18:18:52 <sbp> http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2009/11/imbeciles.html
18:18:54 <nslater> heh
18:19:07 <sbp> "@julianyon: Socrates must be turning in his grave."
18:19:08 <nslater> he certainly wouldn't be able to get away with most of the absolutely flawed arguments he's making
18:19:35 <sbp> "@nevali: Pete Wishart & Siôn Simon patting each other on their respective backs over having a completely failure of understanding #debill"
18:19:52 <Arnia> "submanifold Pete Wishart: Carphone Warehouse offered free Broadband forever. You muppet. #debill"
18:19:57 <sbp> http://www.twitpic.com/rufw1
18:21:04 <Arnia> Why can't we interrupt the debate using Twitter?
18:21:08 <nslater> sbp: haha
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18:21:21 <nslater> thats awesome
18:21:42 <sbp> "Joscelyn Is #DEBill the first time a Commons debate has trended globally? (via @tim)"
18:21:49 <Arnia> oh God... I want to hit him
18:22:01 <nslater> sbp, where did you get the image from?
18:22:18 <sbp> random tweet
18:22:24 <nslater> awe, i wanted to retweet it
18:22:35 <sbp> search for the uri on twitter
18:22:46 <Arnia> "AnnLarimer RT @kevinmarks: Pete Wishart says artists are ignored in this debate - true - read Charlie Stross's 'imbeciles' post again: http://bit.ly/bGqnfJ #DEBill"
18:23:17 <sbp> nslater: http://twitter.com/realitydistort/statuses/11711332882
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18:23:50 <nslater> thanks
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18:23:58 <Arnia> He makes a good argument for the abolition of parties
18:24:01 <nslater> .o twitter
18:24:05 <phenny> <@nslater> Piracy, a handy guide: http://www.twitpic.com/rufw1 (via @realitydistort) (http://twitter.com/nslater/statuses/11711620771)
18:24:12 <sbp> good argument for the existing process, ironically
18:24:50 <sbp> Tom Watson MP
18:24:54 <nslater> WOO
18:24:57 <nslater> its this guy!
18:25:14 <nslater> .w vexacious
18:25:15 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for vexacious.
18:26:07 <sbp> haha
18:26:13 <Arnia> It's like an Oscar speech
18:26:36 <nslater> what was the name of the thing he's quoting?
18:26:55 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne
18:27:32 <nslater> this guy sounds like he's read rms
18:27:36 <nslater> or shirky
18:28:03 <nslater> thanks sbp
18:28:04 <sbp> he said he worships Shirky
18:28:42 <Arnia> That must have made working with timbl fun
18:30:17 <sbp> "squalid deal between the three front benches" "should be ashamed of themselves" "the people who care will see that for what it is"
18:31:39 <Arnia> Games? What about indies?
18:32:23 <Arnia> 'inspired'?
18:32:26 <sbp> datamashers are going to foster creativity thanks to the OS data
18:32:29 <Arnia> Only by timbl
18:32:33 <sbp> .gc +datamashers
18:32:33 <phenny> +datamashers: 2
18:32:36 * Arnia nukes tomwatson
18:32:46 <sbp> suppose Hansard will transcribe that as two words
18:32:49 <Arnia> I almost said twatson then realised...
18:32:54 <nslater> lol
18:33:28 <Arnia> Woah...
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18:34:02 <sbp> ...what a strange argument
18:34:03 <nslater> is he ignoring the problems with electron physics?
18:34:26 <nslater> i thought there was a hard limit
18:34:30 <Arnia> there is
18:34:40 <Arnia> but we're nowhere near there
18:34:44 <nslater> cool
18:34:49 <Arnia> It is practical limits that are more important
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18:34:54 <Monty> hi libby
18:35:12 <Arnia> "Falkvinge apparently the guy who says I'm in jail is spelled Connarty not Crommarty #debill"
18:35:16 <sbp> MPs in private saying they know the new legislation is nonsensical regarding copyright
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18:36:26 <sbp> blimey, did he just refer to this as a second enclosure movement?
18:36:29 <Arnia> Tip: Don't make an inaccurate remark about someone if that someone is watching you make that remark and can publish their riposte to lots more people sooner
18:36:32 <Arnia> sbp: yep!
18:36:37 <sbp> that's the most sophisticated metaphor I've seen anywhere about this
18:36:42 <sbp> glad it was in the house
18:36:52 <Arnia> indeed
18:36:58 <nslater> whats a second enclosure movement?
18:37:12 <nslater> .wik enclosure movement
18:37:13 <phenny> "Enclosure or inclosure is the process which was used to end some traditional rights, such as mowing meadows for hay, or grazing livestock on land which is owned by another person, or a group of people." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure_movement
18:37:45 <nslater> interesting
18:38:02 <nslater> .wik parliamentary wash-up
18:38:02 <sbp> the point is that large enclosures = a scheme that help largeholders
18:38:04 <phenny> "The New Zealand British Parliamentary Open Debating Championships is one of three university debating tournaments in New Zealand sanctioned by the New Zealand Universities' Debating Council." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_British_Parliamentary_Open_Debating_Championships
18:38:12 <sbp> the other member was taking the metaphor too physically literally
18:38:15 <nslater> aye, i got the metaphor as soon as i read the first para
18:38:26 <sbp> probably just to show that he actually knows what Watson is talking about
18:38:35 <sbp> which is ironic because he in the process demonstrated that he doesn't understand the metaphor
18:38:45 <nslater> haha
18:38:53 <sbp> oh well, at least some sensible reasoning will be in the Hansard about this
18:38:54 <nslater> "the power and the beauty of the serindipitus hypertext link"
18:39:00 <sbp> even though the bill will go through
18:39:32 <nslater> they just mentioned tafting in the commons!
18:40:13 <sbp> wow, now he's quoting Lord Macaulay
18:40:13 <nslater> why is he being heckled
18:40:18 <sbp> he's running over
18:40:22 <nslater> ah
18:40:32 <nslater> .wik lord macaulay
18:40:34 <phenny> "Thomas Babington Macaulay, 1st Baron Macaulay PC (25 October 1800 – 28 December 1859) was a British poet, historian and Whig politician." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Babington_Macaulay,_1st_Baron_Macaulay
18:40:47 <sbp> one of the greatest men of letters of the 19th century
18:40:57 <sbp> as you can hear
18:41:23 <sbp> "this bill will be honored in the breach"
18:41:24 <nslater> so whatis the "wash up"?
18:41:29 <nslater> what is the breach?
18:41:38 <nslater> john redwood's face annoys me
18:41:41 <nslater> (sorry john!)
18:41:42 <sbp> the wash up is the period of parliament before it gets dissolved where bills are rushed through
18:41:52 <sbp> breach was a Shakespeare reference
18:42:06 <Arnia> nslater: at least he's there
18:42:09 <nslater> aye
18:42:21 <nslater> why does it get washed out?
18:42:31 <nslater> and why is it allowed to put white papers through when that happenes?
18:42:47 <nslater> its like filibusting - i just dont understand why it's still allowed
18:42:53 <Arnia> This isn't a white paper?
18:43:00 <nslater> oh, he called it a white paper
18:43:02 <sbp> it's a bill
18:43:08 <sbp> basically the parties make deals with one another
18:43:17 <sbp> it's a good opportunity to rush things through
18:43:19 <Arnia> nslater: there are balance concerns which are why there are 'loopholes'
18:43:20 <sbp> so there is give and take
18:43:28 <Arnia> you can't design a perfect rule system that works in every case
18:43:43 <nslater> still seems a bit flawed if you ask me
18:43:43 <sbp> Martin Bell: "Horse-trading takes over from due process."
18:43:43 <Arnia> so you design holes in your system which are politically dubious to use
18:44:04 <Arnia> that way if someone does need to fix something, you can do it but lose political capital in the process
18:44:13 <nslater> like, to change the topic slightly - why is filibusting allowed?
18:44:19 <nslater> why dont they just prevent it some how
18:44:38 <sbp> this isn't filibusting, it's pretty much the opposite
18:44:42 <nslater> yep, i know
18:44:43 <Arnia> To allow a member, who is dedicated enough, to force more time or a pause in a legislative building
18:44:47 <nslater> "to change the topic slightly"
18:44:53 <Arnia> uh process
18:44:54 <nslater> but being the opposite, and odd - it reminded me
18:44:58 <nslater> why are these things allowed
18:44:59 <[bjoern]> .seen satan
18:44:59 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen satan around.
18:45:03 <nslater> it seems like a contravention of due process
18:45:05 <[bjoern]> seen ghosts
18:45:05 <Monty> I have not seen "ghosts" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
18:45:09 <Arnia> nslater: I just explained why
18:45:17 <sbp> chess metaphor!
18:45:27 <nslater> i guess..
18:45:33 <Arnia> Think about it like the tie-breaking convention that Speakers follow
18:45:47 <nslater> i dont know it?
18:45:50 <[bjoern]> So what are we chatting about anyway, anything interesting?
18:46:01 <sbp> .wik Digital Economy Bill
18:46:01 <phenny> "The Digital Economy Bill [1]|[2]| is a bill announced in the 2009 Queen's Speech before the United Kingdom parliament." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Bill
18:46:13 <Arnia> The Speaker conventionally votes in the direction of 'more time' (usually voting for the Government)
18:46:30 <nslater> .title johnredwood.com
18:46:31 <phenny> nslater: No title found
18:46:35 <[bjoern]> Ah so you are debating the pros and pros of a three strikes rule?
18:46:35 <nslater> good site
18:46:43 <sbp> .title http://www.johnredwood.com/
18:46:44 <phenny> sbp: No title found
18:46:52 <nslater> hehe
18:46:58 <nslater> optimised gif for the header banner
18:47:01 <nslater> hello 1999!
18:47:11 <Arnia> 1997
18:47:17 <nslater> @_@
18:47:22 <Arnia> 1995
18:47:25 <Arnia> 1993
18:47:29 <Arnia> 1991
18:47:32 <Arnia> 1989
18:47:38 <[bjoern]> stop
18:47:41 * Arnia has falled into the time vortex
18:47:45 <sbp> does this constitute a license?
18:47:46 * MaienM fades away into non-existence
18:47:49 <sbp> I don't see one on the page itself
18:47:52 <nslater> hehe
18:47:54 <nslater> .title http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnredwood/
18:47:54 <phenny> nslater: Flickr: The Rt. Hon John Redwood MP's Photostream
18:48:02 <[bjoern]> How can you not have existed in 1989.
18:48:07 <sbp> but hey, he's said in Hansard people can use it...
18:48:17 <sbp> (will have done)
18:48:29 <sbp> aaaaanyway
18:48:35 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/3018_93b4_480.jpeg
18:48:47 <[bjoern]> also http://www.flickr.com/photos/clutterbells/4495993800/sizes/o/
18:48:51 <nslater> http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnredwood/2496945398/
18:48:52 <nslater> hehe
18:48:56 <nslater> "my sex pose"
18:49:06 <MaienM> quite simple [bjoern], not being born yet
18:49:26 <[bjoern]> I like the anti-freedom granate.
18:49:38 <[bjoern]> they spelled it incorrectly though
18:49:45 <sbp> I've actually lost the thread of what he's saying
18:49:51 <nslater> i switched off too
18:49:51 <sbp> Arnia, what is he talking about?
18:50:18 <sbp> he doesn't seem to know about fair dealing
18:50:24 <Arnia> sbp: he's talking about how the bill has redefined copyright
18:50:25 <[bjoern]> What's your issue with this Redwood fellow?
18:50:36 <Arnia> sbp: without people noticing this
18:50:38 <[bjoern]> MaienM: I am quite sure that is illegal most places.
18:51:00 <MaienM> [bjoern]: in most of america it is, yet
18:51:21 <Arnia> sbp: I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with him
18:51:24 <MaienM> it's been legalized over here a few years ago though
18:51:29 <Arnia> First time I've ever agreed with Redwood
18:51:43 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/8248_ec88_480.jpeg
18:52:21 <nslater> there is an object in front of his face
18:52:25 <nslater> that is *really* out of focus
18:52:55 <[bjoern]> Well in http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/8349_8e5e_480.jpeg he appears trying to zoom in.
18:53:20 <[bjoern]> hmm hmm http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/8131_aa61_480.jpeg
18:54:06 <[bjoern]> I'd like one of these http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7987_09c2.jpeg
18:54:30 <sbp> Redwood = experience
18:54:54 <sbp> "sloppy work"
18:54:58 <[bjoern]> is that an euphemism for advanced age?
18:55:12 <[bjoern]> This is insufficiently subtle http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7931_6379_480.jpeg
18:55:24 <Arnia> sbp: I still find is strange to agree with him... normally he says things that make me want to nuke him
18:55:31 <Arnia> I seem to be thirty seconds behind everyone else
18:55:41 <sbp> he's being very sensible here
18:55:48 <sbp> clearly getting in a bit of a partisan shot
18:55:53 <sbp> but also going against his own front bench
18:56:37 <nsh> John Redwood is a good solid name
18:56:41 <nsh> i'm behind this guy
18:57:05 <[bjoern]> I'm hungry http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7766_9100_480.jpeg
18:57:22 <nslater> every time i hear "bill" i mishead "filth"
18:58:15 <sbp> "but there you go"
18:58:26 <Arnia> = "joke fell flat"
18:58:56 <Arnia> Ugh
18:59:14 <[bjoern]> appropriately i cut my hand trying to open the pizza box
18:59:37 <Arnia> "cjjmccray RT @skeptobot: With Redwood (Con) and Watson (Lab) speaking mostly sense has reminded me that we need to vote for MPs not parties. #DeBill"
19:00:15 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7722_f4f1_480.jpeg
19:01:18 <[bjoern]> too obvious http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7623_0a38_480.jpeg
19:01:49 <[bjoern]> This would make a good shirt http://asset.soup.io/asset/0717/8248_839c_450.jpeg
19:02:38 <Arnia> Cue a (sort of) pipes comment
19:03:19 <Arnia> ooh, nearly insulted the libdems
19:03:27 <Arnia> realised there is a chance parliament will be hung
19:03:31 <Arnia> backtracking
19:04:06 <[bjoern]> Subtitleable http://mar.2chan.net/dec/b/src/1270472752508.jpg
19:04:51 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7396_fe36.jpeg might explain a few things
19:05:08 <sbp> 2mb? ambitious?!
19:06:17 <[bjoern]> Probably preparing to watch a flamewar unfold http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7412_e97b_480.jpeg
19:07:35 <BigJibby> best thing about the ipad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
19:09:10 <[bjoern]> I doubt its as robust as they suggest
19:09:54 <[bjoern]> Video lacks pointe.
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19:11:52 <[bjoern]> Battieres not included, it seems http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/6254_88eb_480.jpeg
19:12:34 <nslater> hehe
19:12:38 <nslater> more like jabba
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19:13:59 <Monty> lo jetx
19:14:09 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/6165_afd8_480.jpeg :(
19:15:16 <[bjoern]> http://i.imgur.com/tFSgt.jpg someone needs to learn how to use .png
19:16:04 <Arnia> Oh, someone I know...
19:16:04 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/6120_87a2_480.jpeg
19:16:04 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
19:16:55 <Arnia> Tom Watson keeps looking at his phone
19:17:18 <[bjoern]> He's waiting for confirmation that his ipad is on the way.
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19:18:37 <Arnia> I'll ask my mum to pass on my regards.
19:18:55 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/7975_90aa.gif has potential, but poorly executed.
19:19:51 <[bjoern]> sbp http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/6005_2835_480.jpeg
19:21:09 <sbp> even she's agreeing
19:21:23 <nslater> i like this woman
19:21:59 <Arnia> nslater: Yeah, she's the next constituency over from me
19:22:06 <[bjoern]> so is there some stream available for us Deutschländers?
19:22:14 <Arnia> nslater: so she's a distantish family friend
19:22:36 <Arnia> (mum formally being active in the Labour party in South Bucks)
19:24:04 <archels> loggy: pointer
19:24:04 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2010-04-06#T19-24-04
19:25:42 <[bjoern]> http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Home.aspx does not appear functional
19:26:03 <nslater> did you see that guy show his iphone to the other guy?
19:26:10 <nslater> i bet he's got twitter on it
19:26:11 <nslater> hehe
19:27:54 <sbp> this guy also arguing for scrutiny
19:28:01 <sbp> Neil Gerrard
19:28:47 <sbp> perhaps this guy should have read more than his emails
19:28:48 <Arnia> wait, Government proposes a bill and their own party seem to be arguing against it
19:29:01 * Arnia feels his head beginning to hurt
19:29:02 <sbp> backbenchers
19:29:15 <Arnia> Yes, I said their own party... not the Government itself
19:29:33 <sbp> didn't Mactaggart say outright this was a front bench conspiracy?
19:29:37 <nslater> this guys areguments are stupid
19:29:42 <nslater> it's not theft. hehe
19:29:44 <Arnia> Hah, Tom Watson just passed on a message from twitter
19:29:48 <sbp> yeah, don't know why he's arguing
19:30:08 <[bjoern]> aah you need silverlight for the parliament site
19:30:26 <Arnia> "cyberdoyle I just saw @tom_watson tell Fiona what @watfordgap just tweeted. #poweroftwitter #debill"
19:30:33 <sbp> he just @'d a Swhacker a moment ago
19:30:38 <[bjoern]> also a wmp option hmm
19:30:46 <sbp> (if tommorris counts)
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19:31:05 <Arnia> "mjmuk RT @cyberdoyle: give her a hug too from me RT @watfordgap: @tom_watson lean over, tell Fiona Mactaggart that she gets IT!! #debill well done"
19:31:27 <Arnia> Is he on the Swhack twitter list?
19:31:34 <sbp> nope
19:31:59 <sbp> interesting to see twitter actually doing stuff in the house :)
19:32:05 <sbp> er, :-)
19:33:04 <sbp> I was going to add tommorris to my comedy list
19:33:09 <sbp> but I'd have to add quite a few others too
19:33:15 <nslater> "Please print out any important information from the web and place in a ring binder, the Internet will be closing shortly. ..."
19:33:29 <nslater> sbp, im not on your social list. my heart sunk :(
19:33:42 <sbp> "@tommorris Point of order! Mr Speaker, if @tom_watson is sharing my tweet with another member then I ask that he should be cut off! #debill"
19:33:53 <sbp> you're not? heh
19:34:08 <sbp> hmm
19:34:08 <nsh> oO?
19:34:09 <sbp> yes you are
19:34:10 <nsh> been eating
19:34:12 <nsh> what's going on?
19:34:52 <Arnia> So far, Watson, Redwood and McTaggert are great, the rest are mildly insane
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19:36:11 <[bjoern]> so http://www.twofourdigital.net/UKParliament/Encoder04.asx would have been the stream
19:38:26 <Arnia> "Lisekit David Cairns wins "accent of the night". #debill"
19:38:28 <[bjoern]> Data for Reachability of Inter/tra-NetworK SIP (DRINKS) Working Group
19:38:44 <[bjoern]> I just understand blah blah blah.
19:38:46 <sbp> haha
19:38:57 <sbp> "he's already said he's not voting for me..." after calling a constituent bonkers
19:39:00 <[bjoern]> Is he talking about Darth Vader?
19:39:24 <nslater> hehe
19:40:38 <[bjoern]> Certainly does make our debates look less boring.
19:42:34 <Arnia> .o twitter
19:42:46 <phenny> <@arnia> Watching #DEBill debate. Thank you @tom_watson, McTaggart and (oddly) Redwood. I think this debate shows the bill should be split up. (http://twitter.com/arnia/statuses/11715044048)
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19:48:37 <MattRead> .o twitter
19:48:45 <phenny> <@MattRead> prank calling people with http://prankdialer.com/ (http://twitter.com/MattRead/statuses/11679767171)
19:50:18 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/5109_1de5.gif
19:52:26 <[bjoern]> sbp http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/4732_14a4_480.png
19:53:22 <sbp> why is the robots.txt in English?
19:53:30 <sbp> shopped by a stupid English shopper?
19:54:16 <[bjoern]> Well robots user-agent streetview and disallow are english
19:54:40 <[bjoern]> doesn't look too shopped to me btw
19:55:14 <[bjoern]> (not saying its not, but it is not very obvious)
19:55:34 <sbp> "for"?
19:55:51 <[bjoern]> Well the point is that it is only consequential
19:55:56 <[bjoern]> also, umlautprobleme.
19:56:04 <[bjoern]> for ~ für
20:02:01 <Arnia> I hear many of these MPs speak, and think I can out-public-speak them
20:03:02 <Arnia> ouch
20:03:06 <[bjoern]> "In Arabic, Homer drinks soda instead of beer"
20:03:51 <sbp> been a string of people saying not to rush it through
20:04:12 <nslater> and NOW i understand nsh's project
20:04:15 <sbp> "this fight is not over yet", he urges all following on the TV and internet
20:04:16 <nslater> how's it coming along?
20:04:21 <sbp> nslater: heh, heh
20:04:29 <sbp> don't know, nsh didn't say anything about it since he got back
20:04:30 <nsh> uh
20:04:32 <nsh> restarting shortly
20:04:45 <nsh> been irl-ing
20:04:47 <nsh> chore
20:04:50 <nslater> does theyworkforyou have a twitter service?
20:04:59 <nslater> they should do
20:05:15 <nslater> really people should only be petitioning their consituent mp
20:05:21 <nslater> which is what theyworkforyou would do
20:05:54 <Arnia> theyworkforyou is linked data
20:05:57 <Arnia> isn't it?
20:06:11 <nslater> is it not just a service site?
20:06:16 <nslater> lets you write emails to your mp
20:06:17 <nsh> oh right, i was stuck at accessing pester01.html from within the python script
20:06:17 <sbp> what did he just say then?
20:06:29 <nsh> someone in #appengine said it dntwrktahtweistoopid
20:06:43 <nsh> so i guess i can just store the html in the python file
20:06:43 <nsh> why not
20:06:49 <Arnia> nslater: No, it keeps records of voting records and the like don't they?
20:06:56 <nslater> nsh, makse nose sense
20:07:00 <[bjoern]> That's what I do.
20:07:00 <Arnia> nslater: and the register of interests and stuff
20:07:00 <nslater> you should be able to access it
20:07:01 <nslater> like i can
20:07:05 <nsh> nslater might be thinking of writetothem.org
20:07:10 <nslater> ah, them
20:07:19 <nslater> .py file("README.md").read()
20:07:22 <phenny> Oblique
20:07:25 <nslater> nsh ^
20:07:28 <nsh> mmm
20:07:34 <nsh> maybe it's a path thing then
20:07:36 <nslater> .py len(file("README.md").readlines())
20:07:37 <phenny> 36
20:07:45 <nsh> i'm trying to read from static/pester01.html
20:07:59 <nslater> .py len(file("service/py.py").readlines())
20:08:00 <phenny> 85
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20:08:05 <nslater> .py len(file("service/lastfm.py").readlines())
20:08:06 <phenny> 62
20:08:14 <Arnia> nsh: ah
20:08:23 <nsh> oh
20:08:24 <Monty> actually, I'll ask my best to change
20:08:30 <nsh> i was using open() rather than file
20:08:33 <nsh> maybe that's it
20:08:38 <sbp> heh, #debill just got a mention
20:08:40 <nslater> open is an alias
20:08:49 <nslater> .py len(open("service/lastfm.py").readlines())
20:08:50 <phenny> 62
20:08:53 <nsh> hmm
20:08:56 <nsh> dunno then
20:08:57 <Arnia> nslater: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/hazel_blears/salford
20:09:09 <nslater> writetothem.com
20:09:26 <nslater> QUAZR JUDGE
20:09:31 <nslater> QUAZAR JUDGE
20:09:33 <nsh> also, noah, can another developer check out code from google app engine?
20:09:36 <nslater> QUAZAAAR JUDGE
20:09:42 <nslater> you cant check out code
20:09:44 <nsh> seems weird you can upload but not download
20:09:53 <nslater> keep it in github
20:10:04 <nslater> app engine moves some of the files around after you deploy
20:10:09 <nslater> so there's nothing to download as such
20:10:18 <nsh> works now i moved the html files down from to the root
20:10:31 <nslater> haha
20:10:35 <nslater> "one person tweeted..."
20:11:26 <nslater> i cant decide if its cool or troubling that "tweeted" was used in the commons to back up an argument
20:12:03 <[bjoern]> Look at http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/4821_72bc_480.gif for a while and the decision will make itself.
20:12:38 <nsh> hmm, locally, you can GET /login and the app.yaml lets pesterMP.py handle it
20:12:45 <nsh> but apparently on appengine that just 404s
20:12:50 <nsh> chore
20:13:34 <[bjoern]> sbp http://asset.soup.io/asset/0771/3970_f08e_480.jpeg
20:13:44 <nsh> "No handlers matched this URL."
20:14:01 <nsh> ah, i changed it to login.py
20:14:07 <nsh> because i'd set up the twitter app to call callback.py
20:15:41 <nslater> "that is irony"
20:15:42 <nslater> oh man
20:15:48 <nslater> when you have to point out irony, you've faile
20:15:52 <nslater> ... d
20:16:15 <[bjoern]> You might have confused irony with sarcasm, for example.
20:16:34 <nslater> (that is irony)
20:17:05 <Arnia> oh, stumbling over aliteration there
20:17:15 <nslater> he's used a lot of alliteration
20:17:24 <nslater> i get the impression a lot of it is "his darlings" - seems quite forced
20:17:37 <Arnia> yeah, but he had to get a run up to that one
20:17:48 <Arnia> He actually seems quite terrified
20:18:38 <sbp> wtf:
20:18:39 <sbp> <html>
20:18:39 <sbp> <!DOCTYPE html>
20:18:40 <sbp> heh
20:18:57 <nsh> shup
20:19:07 <nsh> html starts with <html>
20:19:17 <sbp> is broken
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20:19:28 <nsh> yeah
20:19:37 <nsh> still not sure why login.py isn't being handled
20:19:53 <nsh> doesn't even come up in the logs
20:20:00 <nsh> so, maybe it is
20:20:04 * nsh checks the script
20:20:10 <[bjoern]> http://imgfave.lg1x8.simplecdn.net/image_cache/1270556891181827.jpeg
20:20:34 * [bjoern] notes that login might be a reserved name
20:21:19 <nsh> yeah, it's running without error
20:21:21 <nsh> just not redirecting
20:21:31 <nsh> which means probably some silent error with the twitter shit
20:21:38 <Arnia> "EmmaInnes RT @shemmell: @sionsimon is an internet troll made into an MP. It's kind of scary, actually. #debill"
20:21:52 <nslater> HAHA
20:21:58 <nslater> "the twittersphere hates me tonight"
20:22:08 <nslater> woah
20:22:11 <nslater> he's talking about twitter now
20:22:28 <nslater> woah
20:22:37 <nslater> haha!
20:22:42 <sbp> you certainly have
20:22:45 <nslater> he's complaining that people had a go "at" his shirt
20:22:52 <nslater> HAHA
20:22:58 <nsh> ah
20:23:00 <nsh> i'm an idiot
20:23:06 <sbp> this is teeth-grindingly bad
20:23:39 <sbp> get your sword out, Mactaggart!
20:24:16 <sbp> what did she say?
20:24:21 <sbp> looked like "we couldn't help it"
20:25:31 <nsh> oi tav
20:25:42 <nsh> you did the twitter oauth demo app
20:26:29 <Arnia> "DalSoft RT @bitoclass: I'm fascinated by how close we're getting this evening to direct intervention in Parliament by the public (via Twitter) - exciting! #debill"
20:26:29 <nslater> "fag-end of a parliament"??
20:26:40 <nsh> ++
20:27:26 <nsh> one day, they'll find a way to harness the will-to-self-importance of twitter users for generating electricity
20:27:41 <nsh> then and only then will the be too-cheap-to-meter smug
20:27:45 <[bjoern]> I would support that.
20:28:36 <nsh> ok, got to the callback stage
20:31:10 <sbp> '@fulljames: Gregory Barker MP wrote to me on 22/03 to say "I believe [#debill] should be debated in the [...] Commons". 06/04: SO WHERE R U DUDE???!'
20:34:47 <nsh> he didn't state it should be debated in his presence to be fair
20:36:15 <sbp> "@hannahswiv: My twitter usage has been overtaken by #debill. Normal service will resume when democracy does."
20:36:22 <nsh> heh
20:36:30 <nsh> + he
20:36:30 <nsh> h
20:37:29 <nsh> gonna have to work on this locally, taking over a minute to update the app each time
20:37:54 <nsh> .c 60 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1
20:37:55 <phenny> 60 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 123
20:38:00 <nsh> too many seconds
20:38:11 <nslater> RUBARB RUBARB RUBARB
20:39:08 <nsh> yay
20:39:15 <nsh> oauth works
20:39:25 <nsh> now just need to guess the ratelimit and send the tweets
20:40:04 <nsh> oh, and work out forms n shit
20:40:29 <Arnia> A *second* reading?
20:40:34 <Arnia> Isn't this already the second reading?
20:40:52 <nsh> this is the debate after the 3rd i believe
20:40:59 <nsh> but don't quote me
20:41:03 <nsh> quote...
20:41:20 <nsh> can you read this: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=127b3ac9de4995ed&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/%3Fui%3D2%26ik%3D5348900369%26view%3Datt%26th%3D127b3ac9de4995ed%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dattd%26zw&sig=AHIEtbRqOvOIRq0CxsLOEYfEZmPWcNDXEQ&pli=1
20:41:26 <Arnia> "the_anke My prediction: nobody will ever get a constituency right ever again, just to take the piss #debill"
20:42:12 <nsh> [[[I believe that the Government should be free to pass legislation without requiring the consent of
20:42:12 <nsh> global international corporations such as Google and Yahoo both of whom clearly have vested
20:42:12 <nsh> interests that do not include protecting jobs here in the UK. It is also wholly inaccurate to claim
20:42:12 <nsh> that there has been insufficient parliamentary scrutiny the Bill has in fact been discussed on 12
20:42:12 <nsh> separate days in fine detail by the House of Lords and the Government has made significant
20:42:12 <nsh> changes during the course of this debate.
20:42:17 <nsh> ]]] --my MP
20:42:36 <Arnia> ?
20:42:40 <Arnia> I can't parse that
20:42:43 <nsh> NOT TWELVE OVERLAPPING DAYS!!111
20:43:10 <nsh> that's because Ann McKechin's ghostwriter is an idiot
20:43:22 <nsh> .wik Ann McKechin
20:43:23 <phenny> "Ann McKechin (born 22 April 1962) is a British Labour politician, who has been a Member of Parliament since 2001, representing Glasgow North since 2005." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_McKechin
20:46:03 <nsh> "In the boundary changes which came into force for the 2005 election, Maryhill was abolished, and McKechin was elected for the newly drawn Glasgow North seat, but with a much reduced majority of 3,338 over the Scottish Liberal Democrats.
20:46:14 <nsh> i could have her seat for jokes
20:48:29 <nsh> sbp
20:48:46 <nsh> what's some nice html to wrap around "authenticated as <twitter id link>"?
20:48:58 <nsh> as in, where should i put it in pester02 and within what tags
20:49:38 <nsh> i'll probably just hackily open("pester02.html").read().replace("sometoken",user_info['username']) or whatever
20:53:24 <sbp> nsh: hold a sec, will check
20:53:59 <MattRead> .u ß
20:54:00 <Monty> "you"
20:54:00 <phenny> U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S (ß)
20:54:45 <nsh> also, i guess i need to some SEHKRETS into form values for auth
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20:59:22 <nslater> haha
20:59:25 <nslater> that was funny
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21:00:06 <sbp> what day? tomorrow...
21:02:24 <sbp> "@rhodri: Here come the MPs, piling in from the bar, missing the debate. So depressing. #debill"
21:04:27 <sbp> "kezbat: Third reading tomorrow. Bloody bastard hell! #debill"
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21:05:41 <sbp> I don't recall seeing one positive comment about the DEB on Twitter
21:05:46 <sbp> despite thousands and thousands of comments
21:06:23 <sbp> admittedly that's a biased sample, but even in biased samples, to get 0% from that size of a sample is pretty impressive
21:06:23 <Monty> y
21:09:28 <Arnia> sbp: yeah...
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21:55:38 <[bjoern]> Monty.
21:55:41 <Monty> phenny: ask me to keep on safari and in store?
21:55:41 <phenny> Hey, I'm not as stupid as Monty you know!
21:55:42 <Monty> both english
21:55:58 <[bjoern]> No bot on bot action for you Monty.
21:56:01 <Monty> http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnredwood/2496945398/
21:56:11 <[bjoern]> Monty: we had that already.
21:56:15 <Monty> "the_anke My twitter with sarcasm, for him to [people not yet the time we call fails
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22:34:25 <sbp> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5785.txt
22:35:01 <sbp> how beautifully awful
22:37:19 <sbp> rare view of eggs:
22:37:19 <sbp> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/pfalzstorch/tagesarchiv_bornheim1/tag/1032.jpg
22:37:42 <sbp> birds! http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/pfalzstorch/tagesarchiv_bornheim1/tag/1402.jpg
22:37:56 <sbp> birds again! http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/pfalzstorch/tagesarchiv_bornheim1/tag/1532.jpg
22:38:29 <sbp> bsh: what's the whacking great big crane for then?
22:41:10 <sbp> .head http://www.pfalzstorch.de/seiten/helfen_english.html
22:41:11 <phenny> sbp: 404, text/html, iso-8859-1
22:41:17 <bsh> You are not even being credited.
22:41:38 <Arnia> sbp: reading
22:41:55 <sbp> credited for what?
22:41:55 <bsh> porn, flight show, more flight show with fans, 404
22:42:22 <bsh> Ranting and commenting around 5785
22:42:37 <sbp> I didn't rant and comment around 5785
22:42:43 <sbp> pretty sure it was some other rubbish I commented around
22:42:49 <sbp> HTTP Link header, right?
22:43:04 <bsh> Hmm... possible. Some swhacklopedian did, however.
22:43:49 <Arnia> What about a 'reserved query parameter'?
22:44:17 <Arnia> I'm not sure what to make of that RFC
22:44:19 * bsh decides against searching 4 GB of mail logs.
22:44:30 <bsh> Crane: Well, lifting.
22:44:44 <bsh> You could make fun of it.
22:46:00 <sbp> should be a stork not a crane
22:46:46 <bsh> Have you ever heard of storks picking the babies somewhere up before they bring them down to your doorstep?
22:47:14 <sbp> RT arnia: Does anyone know where to get estimates of traffic for various P2P networks over the past ten years or so?
22:47:53 <sbp> so lots of people in Bornheim are having babies?
22:48:02 <sbp> oh, I wonder if the big crane is going to deliver baby storks
22:49:11 <sbp> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010/apr/06/new-york-ballerina-tweets
22:49:13 <phenny> sbp: Meet the New York ballerina who tweets during the interval | Stage | The Guardian
22:50:08 <sbp> I love how they don't actually link to her account
22:50:14 <sbp> because newspapers are scared of how the web works
22:50:24 <bsh> I got blogging about blogging, but reporting on tweeting is a bit much.
22:51:27 <sbp> it's happening a lot these days, I seem to find
22:54:14 <bsh> I would expect some observation bias there though
22:54:51 <sbp> doubt it, most stories that I find are just via the caption
22:55:01 <sbp> and usually the mention comes mid article and annoys me
22:55:17 <sbp> though certainly I still read more tech articles than, say, gardening articles
22:55:20 <bsh> But consider that I have not observed this being a frequent occurence.
22:55:28 <sbp> even though in a way I would prefer the situation to be in reverse
22:55:38 <sbp> ah, yes, but I read less reputable sources
22:55:42 <sbp> e.g. the BBC
22:55:46 <sbp> who seem to be doing it a lot
22:55:49 <bsh> Then again I am not doing much news crawling lately
22:56:02 <bsh> I found that news are kinda repetitive.
22:56:27 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> Politician does something bad, causes outrage!
22:56:49 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> Natural disaster in a part of the world you now feel great sympathy for even though you didn't care about their plight in poverty before!
22:57:11 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> An American does something extremely stupid!
22:57:21 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> Something was sent into space.
22:57:45 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> Reality TV show star says something outrageous in a foreign resort!
22:58:34 <sbp> <NEWSFLASH> Report about an internet meme that you've already known about for a year but that the mainstream media wants to look trendy by following.
22:59:06 <bsh> I wonder if the LHC falls into the last category.
22:59:42 <bsh> Trying to think of examples you've not yet covered
23:00:01 <sbp> and I tab to my twitter channel, and... <twoot> Reuters Magnitude 7.8 quake shakes Indonesia: USGS http://link.reuters.com/kyt66j
23:00:12 <sbp> that's #2 on the list I believe
23:00:29 <bsh> I am disturbed by you tabbing to your twitter channel
23:00:43 <sbp> the Digital Economy Bill should make earthquakes illegal
23:00:50 <sbp> well note that I'm still staunchly not posting to twitter
23:00:56 <sbp> I'm just reading its incessant crap
23:01:41 <bsh> You might have an alternate account so you can twitter and deny doing so.
23:01:50 <sbp> I figured out the knack. you know that Coleridge said that when reading fiction one has to have a wilfull suspension of disbelief? very famous remark in the history of literary theory
23:02:11 <sbp> well I found out that to read twitter one must have a willful (see, I can spell it) suspension of intelligence
23:02:22 <bsh> I do not know that about Coleridge.
23:02:28 <sbp> I do have one alternative twitter account, but I can't remember what it's called
23:02:37 <sbp> and I never posted anything at all on it, as far as I recall
23:03:18 <sbp> so I believe that "I'm trying out twitter" in 2007 is my only tweet to date
23:04:06 <bsh> I did some investigating the other day, en.wp has a account with my asciified given name that's been registered without email address before they started recording the registration date that has never edited anything. Highly likely that is my account.
23:04:34 <sbp> hehe
23:05:10 <sbp> I suspect over 50% of this channel have tweeted something
23:05:14 <sbp> let's see
23:05:50 <bsh> p6eval probably not
23:06:01 <bsh> Monty not either.
23:06:02 <sbp> .py len('||||||||||||||||||||||||')
23:06:04 <phenny> 24
23:06:05 <bsh> me neither
23:06:05 <Monty> I'm fascinated by #debill. Normal service he realizes he just don't want one?
23:06:17 <sbp> .c 46 / 24 in percent
23:06:18 <phenny> 46 / 24 = 191.666667 percent
23:06:20 <bsh> loggy to be ruled out aswell
23:06:20 <sbp> er
23:06:24 <sbp> .c 24 / 46 in percent
23:06:25 <phenny> 24 / 46 = 52.173913 percent
23:06:28 <sbp> there we go
23:06:34 <sbp> probably more than that
23:06:42 <bsh> Do we count [sbp] spb sbp etc as one?
23:06:45 <sbp> there are some users I don't know well enough to know if they have twitter accounts
23:06:52 <sbp> yeah. well, not spb
23:06:58 <sbp> he's not even here anyway so I didn't count him
23:07:57 <bsh> .o twitter deltab
23:07:59 <phenny> <@Deltab> on the couch watching westerns (http://twitter.com/Deltab/statuses/3957617063)
23:08:26 <sbp> yeah, that's not deltab
23:08:49 <sbp> that's an impostor
23:08:52 <sbp> from the planet purple sky
23:08:57 <bsh> So is deltab.
23:09:34 <sbp> yeah, but he's a better impostor of himself than she is
23:09:49 <bsh> .o twitter edsu
23:09:51 <phenny> <@edsu> hot off the @ietf rfc presses: RFC 5785 Defining Well-Known Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) http://bit.ly/bD5Af5 (http://twitter.com/edsu/statuses/11722082563)
23:10:01 <sbp> now you know where I got it from
23:11:12 MacTed (~Thud@c-24-61-62-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
23:11:30 <sbp> he even beat mnot to it
23:11:32 <sbp> .o twitter mnot
23:11:34 <phenny> <@mnot> on the blog: RFC5785: Well-Known URIs http://tinyurl.com/yakre5a (http://twitter.com/mnot/statuses/11723921222)
23:11:40 <bsh> .o twitter nsh
23:11:41 <phenny> <@nsh> whats more development on summer training (http://twitter.com/nsh/statuses/7023211930)
23:11:46 <sbp> .o twitter laurilove
23:11:48 <phenny> <@laurilove> @laurilove cookie test (http://twitter.com/laurilove/statuses/11722703600)
23:12:01 <nsh> whatnows?
23:12:04 <nsh> oh
23:12:14 <sbp> I bet bsh that more than 50% of the channel tweets
23:12:18 <sbp> and it came out as 52%
23:12:24 <bsh> It did?
23:12:28 <sbp> yup
23:12:30 <bsh> WHERE IS TEH DATA
23:12:33 <sbp> according to my survey
23:12:37 <sbp> I gave it above!
23:12:39 <sbp> I made a tally
23:12:52 <bsh> [citation needed]
23:12:58 <bsh> You always cheat.
23:13:04 <nsh> word
23:14:04 <sbp> I think it was: tweeters: _ulises, archels, Arnia, BigJibby, CaptSolo, davisp, edsu, jeanniecool, jeffarch, jessica, jetscreamer, JibberJim, Jibbler, jsled, kpreid, lmorchard, nsh, nslater, sbp, scottrageous, shepazu, sivy, tav, Tene, thelsdj, tobbez, treed
23:14:22 <kpreid> wot?
23:14:24 <tav> hmz ?
23:14:26 <sbp> hmm. that's 27
23:14:29 <kpreid> I am not on that list
23:14:31 <sbp> so I must have been conservative before
23:14:37 <sbp> okay, 26
23:14:46 <sbp> wait, I could have sworn you were
23:14:49 <sivy> whu?
23:15:10 <bsh> We should do a roll call more often, then they all come out of the shadows.
23:15:29 <scottrageous> aha, so it all started with a bet, eh?
23:15:32 <sivy> heh
23:15:35 <bsh> kpreid: You mean you don't twitter?
23:15:42 <sivy> .o twitter steveivy
23:15:43 <kpreid> indeed not
23:15:43 <bsh> kpreid: Have never ever done so?
23:15:46 <kpreid> there is a /kpreid but it's not me
23:15:49 <phenny> <@steveivy> @davewiner Ah, yeah, that's low. (http://twitter.com/steveivy/statuses/11708148508)
23:15:50 *** MacTed is now known as TallTed
23:15:55 <TallTed> .o twitter
23:15:57 <phenny> <@TallTed> Language peeve of the moment: Your interest cannot be peeked, peked, nor peaked. The word is "piqued." OKAYTHXBYE. http://bit.ly/b4LUiD (http://twitter.com/TallTed/statuses/11609065759)
23:16:00 <bsh> So sbp's been cheating indeed.
23:16:10 <sbp> hmm. yeah
23:16:32 <TallTed> I make up for kpreid.
23:16:52 <sbp> this is true
23:16:55 <sbp> there are 33 in http://twitter.com/sbp/swhack
23:17:19 <sbp> I'll go through the names again checking against the list
23:18:14 * scottrageous takes advantage of the situation and asks sbp if he's seen any FAQ database modules for phenny
23:18:14 <bsh> presumably some are not around
23:18:53 <scottrageous> I need something that can replace my old eggdrop bot's FAQ functionality
23:20:02 <scottrageous> wasn't sure if you'd come across anything similar already (Google didn't turn anything up when I looked)
23:21:47 <bsh> That leaves only a dozen, and i suppose we are not sure about some
23:22:18 <bsh> MaienM|Sleep Xanthor[aw] bsh deltab dmiles_afk jasonw22 kpreid l7 maxkelley nogagplz panni_ tro xxv yano
23:22:24 <Arnia> after all, who are bots?
23:22:51 <bsh> Confirmed bots include sbp, twe, and [bjoern].
23:22:57 <sbp> _ulises (y), archels, Arnia (y), BigJibby, CaptSolo (y), [cre8radix, not in channel], [d8uv, not in channel], [danja, not in channel], davisp (y), [dpawson, not in channel], edsu (y), jeanniecool (y), jeffarch (y), jessica (y), jetscreamer (y), JibberJim (y), Jibbler, jsled (y), kpreid, [libby, not in channel], lmorchard (y), [mmmmmrob, not in channel], [Morbus, not in channel], nsh (y), nslater (y), [nwalsh, not in channel], sbp (y),
23:22:57 <sbp> scottrageous (y), shepazu (y), sivy, [Talliesin, not in channel], tav (y), Tene (y), thelsdj (y), [theresaanna, not in channel], tobbez (y), [tommorris, not in channel], treed (y)
23:23:07 <nsh> tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
23:23:14 <tav> hmz ?
23:23:22 <Arnia> twe is a twetwe
23:23:24 <shepazu> no, I'm (x)
23:23:25 <sbp> so I count (y) = 22
23:23:34 <sbp> heheh
23:23:52 <shepazu> sbp: where do you live?
23:23:57 <BigJibby> .o twitter mattread
23:24:00 <phenny> <@MattRead> prank calling people with http://prankdialer.com/ (http://twitter.com/MattRead/statuses/11679767171)
23:24:11 <sivy> sbp: what does (y) mean again?
23:24:22 <shepazu> I assume it means male
23:24:31 <BigJibby> yodels
23:24:34 <sbp> BigJibby: added, thanks!
23:24:43 <sbp> (y) means you're in sbp/swhack
23:24:56 <shepazu> frolololololololololo
23:25:13 <shepazu> trolololololololo, too
23:25:25 <tav> ah
23:25:41 <bsh> Only US and Canada for free.
23:25:56 <shepazu> sbp: are you in the UK?
23:26:11 <BigJibby> .c 1 cad in usd
23:26:12 <phenny> 1 Canadian dollar = 1 U.S. dollar
23:26:17 <BigJibby> \o/
23:26:33 <sbp> ah, and I didn't have Jibbler in sbp/swhack
23:26:34 <shepazu> I will soon be in London and sundry regions of the UK
23:26:36 <sbp> so that's the 24
23:26:41 <sbp> shepazu: I am indeed
23:26:44 <nsh> UNTHINKABLE
23:26:48 <shepazu> whereabouts?
23:26:52 <Arnia> THE UK DOESN'T EXIST
23:26:54 <Arnia> IT IS A LIE
23:26:57 <sbp> London, but I don't get out much
23:27:03 <sbp> not really worth trying to visit me
23:27:12 <shepazu> heh, ok
23:27:17 <Arnia> I'm everywhere
23:27:24 <nsh> but it is worth trying to drop a metric ton of pillows on his chimney
23:27:26 <Arnia> well, not quite... but I do seem to move around a lot
23:27:29 <nsh> as long as their down
23:27:30 <bsh> I'd like to be nowhere.
23:27:32 <nsh> *they're
23:27:40 <Arnia> nsh: and French
23:27:44 <Arnia> they have to be French
23:27:45 <nsh> indeed
23:27:46 <bsh> I also like to be nowhere.
23:27:48 <nsh> and Saunders
23:27:49 <Arnia> Like Shakespeare
23:27:54 <shepazu> I'm speaking at AtMedia, then doing a little road tour of a few cities for vacation/meetup presentations
23:27:55 <bsh> He was Klingon.
23:27:55 <Monty> wow.
23:27:58 <nsh> the best frenchman to ever live
23:28:01 <sbp> cool
23:28:03 <sbp> .wik AtMedia
23:28:05 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "AtMedia".
23:28:11 <sbp> needs a wikipedia entry
23:28:18 <shepazu> @media, maybe
23:28:24 <sbp> .wik @media
23:28:25 <phenny> "Media (communication), tools used to store and deliver information or data Advertising media, various media, content, buying and placement for advertising" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media
23:28:52 <bsh> Not notable.
23:29:18 * sbp tracks down sivy too
23:29:55 <shepazu> also, don't forget to add an entry for AtMedea, the Euripedean Web Tragedean conference
23:30:02 <sbp> chuckle. "@davewiner Ah, yeah, that's low."
23:30:09 <shepazu> oops, tragedian
23:30:59 <sbp> so that's 25/47 confirmed
23:31:04 <sbp> .c 25 / 47 in percent
23:31:05 <phenny> 25 / 47 = 53.1914894 percent
23:31:22 <sbp> a whole percent more than my initial tally survey indicated
23:31:35 <sivy> shoking, i say
23:31:41 <bsh> Is that The Davewiner who inventing boredom?
23:31:49 <bsh> my typinx are offs.
23:31:58 <sivy> no, he invented moral outrage.
23:32:10 <sbp> and has practiced it often
23:32:16 <sivy> and self-aggrandizement
23:32:21 <bsh> They still haven't located the inventor of morals.
23:32:21 <sbp> we've had Bill Kearney in here
23:32:26 <sbp> but we've never had Dave Winer
23:32:40 <sbp> Kearney used to be a regular in fact
23:32:55 <bsh> .gc "Plunder Bunny"
23:32:56 <phenny> "Plunder Bunny": 232
23:33:00 <nsh> whooop whoop
23:33:08 <bsh> There are few good pirate Kosenamen.
23:33:09 <sbp> first time I've seen someone swear on twitter:
23:33:13 <bsh> .leo kosen
23:33:14 <phenny> kosen | koste, gekost | = to fond (obs.) (poet.)
23:33:15 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=kosen
23:33:18 <sbp> daraobriain @daraobriain Just fuck off to bed and stop teasing us.
23:33:22 <bsh> .leo liebkosen
23:33:23 <phenny> liebkosen - Vögel | liebkoste, liebkost | = to bill
23:33:25 <phenny> jmdn. liebkosen | liebkoste, liebkost | = to caress so., to fondle so. - in a loving way, to pet so.
23:33:26 <phenny> liebkosen | liebkoste, liebkost | = to cuddle, to fond (obs.) (poet.), to nuzzle, to snuggle
23:33:27 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=liebkosen
23:33:29 <sbp> had to be an Irish comedian
23:33:36 <sivy> sbp: you don't follow the right people then
23:33:42 <sbp> yeah, probably not
23:33:58 <sivy> .o twitter phaedra
23:33:58 <bsh> Yeah, you should optimize your stalking targets.
23:33:58 <phenny> <@Phaedra> surfing (http://twitter.com/Phaedra/statuses/1095833)
23:34:03 <jeanniecool> bill kearny is really really cute.
23:34:07 <bsh> +5 insightful
23:34:08 <bsh> penis.
23:34:10 <sivy> oops
23:34:15 <jeanniecool> hey!
23:34:16 <sivy> .o twitter buhny
23:34:18 <phenny> <@buhny> @seanaes Just read a similar story: http://bit.ly/cn01OM but um, no-smelling peanuts won't trigger allergic reactions. Maybe just a shitfit. (http://twitter.com/buhny/statuses/11724082895)
23:34:21 <jeanniecool> that's MY line!!
23:34:27 <sbp> what's a buhny?
23:34:28 <bsh> It's not.
23:34:33 <jeanniecool> is, too
23:34:34 <bsh> I stole it fair and square.
23:34:54 <sbp> he did
23:34:57 <sbp> he does that a lot
23:35:02 <sbp> we used to call it piracy
23:35:11 <sbp> but then we had to admit he had a problem
23:35:21 <sbp> a larcenological problem in the area of kleptomania
23:35:29 <BigJibby> .o twitter rbowen 2
23:35:31 <phenny> <@rbowen> http://bit.ly/brqrCB One would think that Facebook, of all people, would have some understanding of how the web works. (http://twitter.com/rbowen/statuses/11699160780)
23:35:43 <nsh> so, i think i may have got teh app workings
23:35:44 <sbp> rbowen has been in Swhack
23:35:52 <nsh> i remember rbowen
23:35:56 <sbp> but in that case I could count loads of people
23:35:59 <sbp> e.g. DanC and timbl
23:36:04 <nsh> jesus
23:36:05 <nsh> enoch
23:36:18 <sivy> wooo, unit test passage
23:36:21 <nsh> that guy who invented parachute pants
23:36:27 <sbp> Don what's his name?
23:36:37 <jeanniecool> Ameche?
23:36:41 <sbp> might be
23:36:41 <nsh> Rathers?
23:36:43 <sivy> DanC i remember; never saw timbl in here
23:36:46 <sbp> .wik Parachute pants
23:36:46 <phenny> "Parachute pants are a style of trousers characterised by the use of ripstop nylon and/or extremely baggy cuts." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_pants
23:36:53 <bsh> I did. More than once I believe.
23:37:02 <sbp> inventor not notable enough
23:37:03 <nsh> keep thinking i've broken it again, but it's twitter being gheighy
23:37:17 * jeanniecool wanders off for more BSG
23:37:38 * sivy wonders how to add a menu to his emacs minor mode
23:37:45 <sbp> Big Smelly Gonads is the best I can do
23:37:49 <sbp> any other suggestions?
23:38:50 <sbp> I declare myself the winner
23:38:54 <Arnia> Brilliant Shock Gazebo
23:38:58 <sbp> Monty can invigilate
23:38:58 <Monty> heheh
23:39:20 <scottrageous> so no one has seen any sort of FAQ/term-definition module for phenny? :/
23:39:25 <sbp> your submission, exceeding excellent though it was, was received after the deadline
23:39:28 <sbp> scottrageous: oh, sorry
23:39:34 <sbp> I believe there is one somewhere yes
23:39:40 <sbp> I don't recall off the top of my head, but...
23:39:51 <BigJibby> Big Swhack Gonads
23:39:52 <sbp> there is a suite of word puzzle stuff, they had some miscellaneous tools
23:39:58 <scottrageous> maybe I just need to use different searh terms
23:39:58 <sbp> .g phenny word games modules
23:39:59 <phenny> sbp: http://relet.net/trac/phenny-games
23:40:22 <sivy> Brillig Shiny Grove
23:40:23 <scottrageous> ah, yeah been there (not recently) and didnt see anything
23:40:30 <scottrageous> I'll look again tho
23:40:49 <nsh> it's probably still on FidoNet
23:40:57 <nsh> we never finished the migration
23:41:05 <nsh> if you have a good gopher client you can find it no problem
23:41:22 * Arnia hands nsh a gopher client
23:41:32 <nsh> yay
23:42:16 <sbp> scottrageous: I don't see any
23:42:21 <bsh> xover's could qualify as the best blog I've yet encountered.
23:42:48 <sbp> http://neutri.no/blog/
23:42:49 <sbp> yeah
23:43:10 <sbp> but that would be letting him off too easily
23:44:02 <Arnia> .o twitter iand
23:44:04 <phenny> <@iand> you have to get written permission to link to the royal mail website? wtf? http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/link-royal-mail/ (http://twitter.com/iand/statuses/11725417478)
23:44:27 <sbp> .g royal mail
23:44:27 <phenny> sbp: http://www.royalmail.com/
23:44:50 <nsh> ZOMG
23:44:55 <nsh> FUTURECRIME
23:45:14 <sbp> http://www.royalmail.com/ip
23:45:49 <sbp> haha:
23:45:52 <sbp> ̄—
23:45:54 <sbp> We're happy for you to link to our home page or other selected pages providing you comply with the Hyperlinking Terms and Conditions below. Although you do not need Royal Mail's specific approval for linking to these pages, once the link is on your page it signifies you do agree with our T&Cs.
23:45:56 <sbp> —
23:46:10 <sbp> once you link to them, you agree with their T&Cs
23:46:44 <sbp> because... man, I'm not even going to snipe about that one
23:46:48 <sbp> that just snipes itself
23:46:59 <nsh> hahaha
23:47:10 <nsh> reflexisnipe
23:48:12 <sbp> of course, once they send their T&Cs to my browser they signify that they agree with my own T&Cs, which includes a clause stating that they waive their requirement for me to agree to their T&Cs
23:48:14 <sbp> so it's all good
23:48:26 <Arnia> sbp: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/16.htm#hddr_1
23:48:58 <sbp> that was pretty quick
23:49:02 <Arnia> yeah
23:49:48 <Arnia> also, with regards the linking thing. I'm not sure it would be admissible in court. It amounts to an agreement you don't have to see yet which still binds you
23:50:02 <Arnia> also, it isn't a contract, so what is it?
23:50:17 <Arnia> I can't see consideration there...
23:50:33 <nsh> damn, that's good sensetalking
23:50:52 <bsh> If you link to them without complying to their terms and conditions, does that signify you agree to their terms and conditions?
23:51:33 <nsh> yay
23:51:35 <nsh> basically working
23:51:56 <nsh> do i dare change the list of recipients from ["laurilove","unftest"] to MPtwits ?
23:52:00 <nsh> I THINK I FUCKING DO
23:52:32 <sbp> wow, the T&C is a hypertext link guidelines document
23:52:33 <sbp> in PDF
23:52:36 <sbp> on an FTP server
23:52:41 <sbp> which I will now link to:
23:52:42 <sbp> ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/public/ctf/rm/Hyperlinking_guidelines.pdf
23:52:42 <nsh> hahha
23:53:01 <sbp> 'The grant of this right is limited to the setting up of the one-way link from your webpage (“Your Webpage”) to URL: www.royalmail.com (“Royal Mail Home Page”), which shall be called the “Hyperlink”.'
23:53:16 <sbp> which shall be called... the HYPERLINK
23:53:27 <sbp> 'Deep-linking is not permitted.'
23:53:43 <nsh> (giggity)
23:53:50 <sbp> so e.g. a link to http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 is not permitted
23:53:52 <sbp> so don't link to http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683
23:54:05 <sbp> because if you link to http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 then you're breaking their T&Cs
23:54:16 <sbp> so, again. just to be very clear. DON'T. LINK. TO. http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683
23:54:22 <sbp> because linking to http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 is not permitted
23:54:25 <sbp> okay?
23:54:30 <sbp> that URI again:
23:54:32 <sbp> http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683
23:54:49 <sbp> don't link to it
23:54:55 <bsh> '"HTML 5" is codename for a sketch of a draft of a working paper.'
23:55:05 <bsh> -- Jukka K. Korpela in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2010Apr/0011.html
23:55:30 <sbp> 'You must allow free and unauthorised access by Royal Mail Group plc (or its agents) to Your Website and to Your Webpage for the term of this Licence, so that Royal Mail Group plc can carry out regular inspections to satisfy itself that you are complying fully with the terms of this licence.'
23:55:33 <nsh> sending first test message to all MPs
23:55:33 <sbp> even on a private website?
23:55:35 <nsh> ....
23:55:36 <bsh> Reminds me of Usenet in the 90s. Good times.
23:55:43 <nsh> ah shiii
23:55:45 <bsh> Well better than more recent times anyway.
23:56:43 <sbp> 21. On termination of this Licence for any reason you must immediately:
23:56:43 <sbp> (a) cease using the Hyperlink;
23:57:08 <sbp> hehe: "22. If you have not complied with the provisions of clause 21(a) within seven (7) working days of expiry of the notice period under clause 19 or notification of termination under clause 20, you agree that Royal Mail Group plc is authorised to procure the removal of the Hyperlink from Your Website and agree to pay the reasonable costs of Royal Mail Group plc doing so."
23:57:51 <bsh> They should not eat what's in undeliverable mail.
23:57:55 <Arnia> .o urlencode #
23:57:55 <phenny> Arnia: Sorry, no such service. See http://wiki.github.com/nslater/oblique/
23:57:57 <Arnia> damn
23:58:06 <bsh> .u #
23:58:06 <phenny> U+0023 NUMBER SIGN (#)
23:58:14 <bsh> %23
23:58:20 <bsh> Happy now?
23:58:34 <sbp> http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 might be the new uid-emarsdendownloads
23:58:43 * Arnia nukes bsh
23:58:56 <sbp> though admittedly http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?catId=400144&mediaId=42800683 is not as easy to remember
23:59:21 <bsh> That's a violation of the terms and conditions of nuking me which you agreed with by nuking me.
23:59:24 <sbp> nsh: what happened?
23:59:28 <sbp> hehe
23:59:50 <nsh> oh, just list str concat nonesense
23:59:55 <nsh> testing with debug rather than live