Swhack! 4 July 2010
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02:03:49 <[bjoern]> .title http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-461896
02:03:50 <phenny> [bjoern]: Scientists Warn Gulf Of Mexico Sea Floor Fractured Beyond Repair Video confirms it - CNN iReport
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09:14:10 <laplink> Best attempt at a comprehensible definition of taxonomies and ontologies I've seen yet: http://cocoawithlove.com/2010/06/design-of-every-mac-application.html
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10:01:05 <laplink> I am so utterly failing to get the reason for having separate mutable and immutable objects for basic datatypes (e.g. strings).
10:01:46 <laplink> Especially when considering the insane contortions you're subjected to when attempting to intermix them.
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10:03:14 <laplink> Why, if immutability really is that desireable a property for some such objects, not simply provide syntactic sugar to make an instance immutable at instantiation?
10:03:46 <[bjoern]> Like a `const` modifier you mean? Perhaps the language designer forgot to put that in...
10:03:49 <laplink> Or something like Perl's "use constant FOO => …;"?
10:04:17 <[bjoern]> Well that really creates a sub...
10:04:18 <laplink> Well, it's a superset of C, so you can have const'ed datatypes and functions.
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10:07:04 <laplink> Cocoa has mutable and immutable variants of NS…String, NS…Array, NS…Set, NS…Number, and so forth.
10:08:02 <laplink> And to make matters even worse they're not actually classes, but “class clusters”, which means you can't check wheter you're handed a NSMutableString or a NSString, because you most likely would find it's a CFString.
10:08:48 <laplink> And since these are pretty basic and common types, you end up spending a fuckload of lines of code basically just casting back and forth between mutable and immutable variants.
10:09:30 <laplink> I hope to god there's just something I'm not getting here, because the alternative is frankly a bit depressing and scary.
10:11:58 <laplink> But there's hope yet, as I'm also utterly failing to grasp the heap/stack distinction, and I'm assured this is both necessary and makes perfect sense.
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10:20:34 <[bjoern]> Well the stack is a chunk of heap memory that is allocated only once. It's an optimization needed because allocating it piece by piece over and over is very slow.
10:30:15 <[bjoern]> "A replica World Cup trophy seized by anti-drugs police in Colombia is made out of cocaine, lab tests have confirmed." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/latin_america/10500390.stm
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10:43:09 <coax> any of you tried the plan9 OS?
10:43:24 <coax> looks .. interesting
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11:56:28 <laplink> @HestonBlumenthal++
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12:34:10 <[bjoern]> .comp "suicide booth" "agony booth"
12:34:10 <phenny> "agony booth" (2,800), "suicide booth" (2,620)
12:34:31 <[bjoern]> 07:53:43 <phenny> "agony booth" (29,200), "suicide booth" (18,200) -- http://swhack.com/logs/2008-03-07#T01-06-49
12:34:41 <[bjoern]> the web's obviously shrinking.
12:35:47 <[bjoern]> Wondere where "08:18:18 <_bjoern> TO DESTROY META, ZOOM IN" is from
12:36:21 <[bjoern]> .weather Magdeburg
12:36:22 <phenny> EDBM: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
12:36:29 <[bjoern]> .weather Potsdam
12:36:30 <phenny> EDAZ: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
12:36:33 <[bjoern]> .weather Berlin
12:36:35 <phenny> Clear ☼, 18℃, 1015mb, Light air 4km/h (2kt) (↑) - EDDI 5:20, 0320Z
12:37:40 <coax> .weather oslo
12:37:40 <phenny> ENFB: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
12:38:00 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather oslo
12:38:08 <phenny> weather->Oslo, Norway;temperature->64 deg F, conditions->cloudy, relative humidity->88% (dew point: 61 deg F), wind speed->10 mph, (5 hours 27 minutes ago);~, rain (early morning to late afternoon) -> cloudy (early morning to late afternoon) -> partly cloudy (late afternoon to evening) -> few clouds (night onward);between 52 deg F and 56 deg F, f
12:38:52 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-03-07#T08-18-18
12:39:13 <[bjoern]> Well, before that.
12:39:35 <coax> 64 my ass
12:39:38 <coax> its hot as hell
12:40:03 <[bjoern]> ^ 5 hours ago
12:40:18 <sbp> 08:21:07 <sbp> Treeebot mints are a minty bit stronger
12:40:18 <sbp> 08:21:14 <sbp> Stick 'em up yer bum and they'll last a bit longer
12:40:20 <[bjoern]> Someone should make a yr.no phenny thingy.
12:40:26 <coax> oh
12:40:26 <sbp> you should!
12:40:41 <coax> are you norwegian?
12:41:07 <[bjoern]> I am North Frisian.
12:41:21 <sbp> Norfrisian
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12:42:51 <coax> :)
12:52:44 <[bjoern]> They don't seem to have an API for search and don't seem to offer the "current" weather as XML
12:57:17 <coax> html scrape time
12:57:34 <[bjoern]> It would be png scraping, I think.
13:12:44 <coax> whats the most romantic thing one can call a girl
13:12:47 <coax> thats not a common wor
13:12:47 <coax> d
13:19:07 <nsh> .oed coxcomb
13:19:08 <phenny> coxcomb (ety. = cockscomb.)...) * †1. A cap worn by a professional fool, like a cock's comb in shape and colour; = cockscomb 2. Obs., * †2. A ludicrous appellation for the head; = cockscomb 3. Obs., * 3. A fool, simpleton (obs.); now, a foolish, conceited, showy person, vain of his...
13:19:47 <nsh> .oed harridan
13:19:47 <phenny> harridan (ety. Generally supposed to be an a...) * A haggard old woman; a vixen; ‘a decayed strumpet’ (J.): usually a term of vituperation.A haggard old woman; a vixen; _oq_a decayed strumpet_cq_ (J.): usually a term of vituperation., * Hence †harri'danical a. nonce-wd. Obs.Hence...
13:19:59 <nsh> .oed slattern
13:19:59 <phenny> slattern (ety. Related to prec.)...) * A. n. A woman or girl untidy and slovenly in person, habits, or surroundings; a slut. (See also quot. 1639.), * b. Applied to a man. rare—1., * B. a. Slovenly, untidy, slatternly. Said of appearance, etc., or of persons.
13:20:04 <nsh> all these are good
13:20:15 <nsh> you can supply your own definitions. language is dynamic
13:20:57 <nsh> .oed beldame
13:20:57 <phenny> beldame (no ety.)...)
13:21:01 <nsh> .w beldame
13:21:03 <phenny> beldame — noun: 1. (dated) An old woman, particularly an ugly one, 2. (obsolete) grandmother
13:22:21 <nsh> .oed demimondaine
13:22:21 <phenny> demimondaine (no ety.)...)
13:22:26 <nsh> .w demimondaine
13:22:27 <phenny> demimondaine — noun: 1. A sexually promiscuous woman (of the demimonde)
13:22:37 <nsh> .w academician
13:22:38 <phenny> academician — noun: 1. A member of an academy, or society for promoting science, art, or literature, as of the French Academy, or the Royal Academy of Arts, 2. (rare) A collegian - Chesterfield
13:22:45 <[bjoern]> .w urface
13:22:45 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for urface.
13:23:34 <nsh> (academician was a 19th century euphemism for slut)
13:25:28 <nsh> .w ecdsiast
13:25:29 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for ecdsiast.
13:25:37 <nsh> .oed ecdsiast
13:25:37 <phenny> ecdsiast (no ety.)...)
13:25:41 <nsh> meh
13:33:54 <coax> haha
13:34:21 <laplink> Matt Smith just looks creepy.
13:35:42 <coax> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/12/article-1143446-037D7A2C000005DC-15_468x703.jpg
13:35:47 <coax> this matt?
13:35:58 <laplink> Yes, like that.
13:43:12 <laplink> Oh dear gods, Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie will be the death of me.
13:43:43 <[bjoern]> Looks already-eaten.
13:56:53 <[bjoern]> They figured out a way to make Google News layout less accessible. Impressive.
13:57:34 <[bjoern]> Wonder what made them pick this pix http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-world-cup-jones-20100704,0,2336267.story
13:57:42 <laplink> They have deep pockets and can afford to put together a world-class team to fuck things up.
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14:14:16 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpJBsjKhRTo
14:14:17 <phenny> [bjoern]: YouTube - Obama admin bans press from filming BP oil spill areas in the Gulf
14:22:54 <coax> http://www.archive.org/details/computerchronicles
14:27:02 <[bjoern]> http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/17/ted-turner-wondering-if-god-is-speaking-in-gulf-coast-spill/
14:32:29 <coax> why are they banning that
14:32:52 <[bjoern]> You being you could be one reason.
14:35:59 <coax> what am i?
14:36:07 <[bjoern]> Yes.
14:40:58 <nsh> .gs because you * at night
14:40:58 <phenny> because you * at night: touch yourself (9), work (3), sleep (3), leave (3), worked (2)
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17:01:29 <[bjoern]> Apparently, there is now more revenue in online credit card fraud in germany than in drugs. Me sceptical.
17:02:04 <[bjoern]> first pix on enwp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timbernerslee.jpg on dewp: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Tim_Berners-Lee_CP.jpg -- there is a message in that, I suspect.
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17:08:28 <[bjoern]> In other news, in my quest to assign most wp articles useful coordinates, I went through the categories, and if a category has at least 3 articles, and more than 20% of the articles have coordinates, and 50% of the articles are less than 150km (and 80% less than 250km) away from the median location of all articles, that would assign coordinates to 160 000 articles, almost doubling the number.
17:09:02 <[bjoern]> some manual checking does indeed suggest that's a reasonable source of information
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17:30:16 <[bjoern]> oopsie http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/04/1530234/YouTube-Hit-By-HTML-Injection-Vulnerability
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17:42:34 <[bjoern]> "Lots of people anonymously "injecting" a bunch of crap into a website for all others to see. This exploit is just an alternative to the original "Upload Video" button."
17:57:28 <[bjoern]> I guess the approach I am going to try is, if the category matches the description above, consider all pages in the category alongside the incoming and outgoing links when trying to associate coordinates with an article, possibly adjusting the weight so that they can't make more than half of the data, or sth like that
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18:17:20 <[bjoern]> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Female_soccer_fan_in_Afghanistan.jpg
18:29:07 <laplink> .title http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/business/global/02whiskey.html
18:29:10 <phenny> Can't connect to http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/business/global/02whiskey.html
18:37:07 <[bjoern]> I'd rather they stock Smirnoff Ice
18:37:13 <[bjoern]> That used to be good when it was cheap
18:37:35 <laplink> Isn't that “Beer” by Smirnoff™?
18:37:58 <[bjoern]> No, it's "alcopop"
18:39:36 <laplink> right
18:40:29 <[bjoern]> The "The Most Disgusting Malt Liquor Beverage on Earth" I take it, which men apparently hate.
18:46:33 <laplink> I must admit to never tasting it, my experiences with all similar products suggesting it just ain't worth it; not even to make the airhead whose pants you're trying to smoothtalk your way into happy.
18:47:55 <[bjoern]> Well, I got hooked on it by a female I liked a lot.
18:48:43 <laplink> Did she make you sip it while she blew you?
18:48:48 <laplink> .title https://twitter.com/Mark_S_J/status/17712835866
18:48:50 <phenny> laplink: Twitter / Mark Jacobs: @doctorow "If copyright in ...
18:51:28 <laplink> Some women, I've noticed, have an almost instinctive grasp of Pavlov.
18:53:05 <[bjoern]> I will write that idea down and give it try should the right circumstances arise.
18:53:11 <[bjoern]> Or more likely, the wrong ones.
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19:06:55 <laplink> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/03/declaration-of-indep.html
19:06:56 <phenny> laplink: Draft of Declaration of Independence named subjects, not citizens - Boing Boing
19:07:07 <laplink> phenny: tell sbp http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/03/declaration-of-indep.html
19:07:07 <phenny> laplink: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:28:04 <laplink> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/09/gallery-digitizing-t.html
19:28:05 <phenny> laplink: Gallery: Digitizing the past and present at the Library of Congress - Boing Boing
19:28:22 <laplink> So much conservationist's porn!
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19:30:36 <laplink> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/03/new-york-times-edito.html
19:30:37 <phenny> laplink: Is calling torture 'torture' political correctness? - Boing Boing
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20:27:58 <[bjoern]> "Al-Qaida has acquired 'magazine' technology"
20:34:37 <[bjoern]> .gc +sunboarding
20:34:38 <phenny> +sunboarding: 74
20:36:37 <[bjoern]> "Rockets Fired at U.S. Embassy in Baghdad as Biden Visits Iraq" - well...
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20:57:22 <laplink> They presumably contain soap and are intended to wash his mouth out.
21:12:49 <nsh> phenny, tell sbp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetic_apostrophe
21:12:49 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:13:20 <[bjoern]> Is Twitter now the Volksempfänger 2.0 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10502057.stm ? And what's with the eye?
21:13:26 <[bjoern]> .wik Volksempfänger
21:13:29 <phenny> "The Volksempfänger (German for 'people's receiver') was a range of radio receivers developed by Otto Griessing at the request of Joseph Goebbels." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempfänger
21:13:40 <sbp> I want a cartoon of a giant apostrophe saying sorry
21:13:40 <phenny> sbp: 19:07Z <laplink> tell sbp http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/03/declaration-of-indep.html
21:13:41 <phenny> sbp: 21:12Z <nsh> tell sbp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetic_apostrophe
21:13:56 <[bjoern]> Not your worst cartoon idea
21:14:36 <sbp> I also want a ham sandwich
21:14:44 <sbp> not a cartoon one though
21:23:09 <nsh> scariest ad for a long time: http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CJfjkNPpw52aGhCsAhjvATIIkhVGxEp-0vg
21:23:20 <nsh> turn yourself into a SIN AGAINST NATURE
21:23:47 <[bjoern]> on it
21:24:26 <sbp> and take less than a minute
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21:30:52 <nsh> :(
21:30:59 <nsh> did one but it delet0red itsel
21:31:40 <nsh> give up now
21:33:46 <sbp> no sceenshot betaken the meanwhilst?
21:34:04 <[bjoern]> insufficient funds.
21:36:17 <sbp> I take off my wizard robe and hat
21:36:46 <[bjoern]> You and your love of coldth.
21:39:37 <sbp> one of the coolest nights tonight in ages
21:39:45 <sbp> still warm, but cooler than the stupid swelterdays
21:40:39 <[bjoern]> I am neither hungry nor freezing.
21:41:52 <nsh> heavy storm today on mull
21:41:56 <nsh> and yesterday too
21:42:04 <laplink> Have you then disclaimed your wov of poverty?
21:42:40 <[bjoern]> It's not really based on a vow.
21:43:09 <laplink> It seems the only plausible explanation.
21:43:33 <[bjoern]> And why would you expect a plausible one?
21:44:23 <sbp> Heathrow expects every man to pay his D-U-T-Y
21:44:45 <laplink> Driving Under The Y…
21:45:40 <laplink> Plausability appears concomitant with your frequent discourses on properties of the unpossible.
21:46:01 <laplink> .gc "discourses on properties of the unpossible"
21:46:01 <phenny> "discourses on properties of the unpossible": 0
21:46:08 <laplink> Meh.
21:46:29 <laplink> It seemed plausible that there would be a paper out there somewhere with that string.
21:46:47 <laplink> .gc "properties of the unpossible"
21:46:47 <phenny> "properties of the unpossible": 0
21:46:53 <laplink> Double meh.
21:47:04 <jsled> .o twitter nslater
21:47:06 <phenny> <@nslater> Mmm, about to eat some pie. ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ (http://twitter.com/nslater/statuses/17745869443)
21:47:11 <[bjoern]> HE SAID PIE
21:47:39 <laplink> PIE, HE SAID
21:47:53 <laplink> SAID HE: PIE
21:48:17 <[bjoern]> "Uralsk was renamed Oral after the independence of Kazakhstan in 1991."
21:48:36 <sbp> HE, "PIE", SAID
21:48:47 <sbp> SAID PIE? HE!
21:49:11 <laplink> Nice one.
21:49:37 <nsh> teh sbp: http://www.mainada.net/comics/show_strip/9103
21:49:59 <laplink> PIE, SAID HE
21:50:04 <laplink> (just for completeness)
21:50:07 <sbp> woah, nice
21:51:06 <sbp> I like how apstrophes are in the teardrop-tadpole-or-sperm family for you
21:52:20 <nsh> and http://i.imgur.com/u7PzJ.png
21:52:40 <nsh> oh, shit, forgot the ellipsis after up
21:52:46 <nsh> imagine that pls
21:53:58 <[bjoern]> This is the age of the internet, there is no need to.
21:54:04 <nsh> went from this: http://www.logolalia.com/kitetailpress/archives/big-blue-apostrophe-clean-2.jpg
21:59:43 <nsh> http://www.cracked.com/article_18593_6-classics-despised-by-people-who-created-them.html
22:01:20 <[bjoern]> Uses the term "web ring"
22:03:57 <nsh> BEST TERM EVER
22:04:09 <nsh> why did webrings go away anyway
22:04:16 <nsh> they were the definitive way to laterally surf
22:05:40 <sbp> we should bring them back
22:06:03 <nsh> totalz
22:06:11 <nsh> maybe
22:06:18 <nsh> mobius webrings
22:06:33 <nsh> when you get back to the start, time is all flipped backwards or some shit
22:06:50 <[bjoern]> There isn't as much user generated content on the web as there used to be.
22:08:41 <nsh> today it's mostly generated by THE HEARTLESS PHPDRONOIDBORGS
22:08:48 <[bjoern]> "In 1998 Starseed was acquired by GeoCities, who made no major changes to the system. Just a few months later, in early 1999, Yahoo! bought GeoCities, and eighteen months after the acquisition, on September 5, 2000, Yahoo! unveiled a fully-overhauled WebRing, known as Yahoo! WebRing"
22:09:11 <[bjoern]> Ah so I guess Yahoo! figured out how to make them suck a lot more, like they did with eGroups and flickr and ...
22:10:17 <[bjoern]> "Although Yahoo!'s implementation was meant to streamline the way the rings were managed and provide a more consistent interface for all rings, many of these changes were unpopular with ringmasters accustomed to the older system which gave them more flexibility." right
22:10:48 <nsh> .gs yahoo killed *
22:10:48 <phenny> yahoo killed *: geocities (12), my (10), the (9), meppa (7), mybloglog (6)
22:11:49 <nsh> man, sticky-toffee pudding is the best thing the last good thing i hyperbolised
22:12:02 <nsh> and that was like forever ago
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22:15:40 <laplink> .title http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/06/ff_sergeys_search
22:15:40 <phenny> laplink: Sergey Brin’s Search for a Parkinson’s Cure | Magazine
22:16:37 <nsh> no fair
22:16:53 <nsh> he has all the indices
22:17:05 <nsh> they should make him search for the cure using bing
22:17:11 <nsh> should even things out a bit
22:20:45 <laplink> What worries me is that this is his bid for getting his index bots into all our medical records.
22:21:13 <nsh> genius!
22:21:40 <laplink> [[[
22:21:44 <laplink> But Milne wasn't a fan of Pooh. Annoyed enough by the bear to attempt to kill him off at the end of the second book (that's right - he tried to kill off Winnie the Pooh), …
22:21:51 <laplink> ]]] - http://www.cracked.com/article_18593_6-classics-despised-by-people-who-created-them_p2.html
22:21:53 <[bjoern]> Well, we could meet halfway, I have this problem where I need to dive into other people's financial records...
22:21:55 <nsh> except there is big heavymetal sharklawyer laser-mace laws in that department
22:22:08 <nsh> man, a laser-mace would be awesome btw
22:22:31 <nsh> but yeah, apparently this eats babies
22:22:41 <laplink> And unlike a saber, a mace would actually be within the realm of reason.
22:22:42 <nsh> .wik HIPAA
22:22:43 <phenny> "The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996 (P.L.104-191) [HIPAA] was enacted by the U.S. Congress in 1996." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPAA
22:22:54 <nsh> exactly
22:22:58 <laplink> HIPAA is a joke.
22:23:35 <sbp> HIPOO would be a better acronym
22:23:43 <[bjoern]> HIPPO?
22:23:45 * nsh knows nothing. i just remember some medicoturds bitching about it in forumistan sometime
22:23:53 <nsh> HIYOOO
22:24:01 <nsh> (in a really few inflection)
22:24:05 <nsh> *fey
22:24:34 <[bjoern]> Slowly moving towards http://xkcd.com/760/
22:25:49 <nsh> no, what have you done...
22:25:57 <nsh> now i'm considering trying to learn dwarf fortress again
22:26:02 <sbp> digging a pit so deep that we can't shit our way out?
22:26:37 <[bjoern]> I do not like the direction this is going.
22:27:29 <nsh> hmmmmmm
22:27:33 <sbp> if we dug sideways we'd only have to shit sideways
22:27:41 <[bjoern]> shut the fuck up
22:28:01 <laplink> Dwarf! Fortress!
22:28:09 <sbp> up is something that I cannot shut fuckwise
22:28:33 *** laplink changed the topic to: "Welcome to Boatmurdered 2.0!"
22:28:33 <[bjoern]> Take a class, then.
22:29:02 <laplink> Oh, sorry, that should be Boatmurdered5 now I guess.
22:29:26 <sbp> a class on up shut fucking?
22:29:32 <sbp> hmm, that might be an enjoyable class
22:29:38 <sbp> especially if the teacher demonstrated
22:29:43 <laplink> I actually reread that quite recently, and it was as full of win and kittens as ever.
22:29:46 <[bjoern]> I would not have suggested it otherwise.
22:30:14 <sbp> hmm yeah, Boatmurdered was pretty YES-packed
22:35:59 <laplink> «While anarchists may be right that Fawkes was the only person ever to enter Parliament with honest intentions …» Bwahahha
22:36:26 * laplink files that little nugget away for future use…
22:37:41 <jsled> .title http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/04/iowa.horses.loose/?hpt=T1
22:37:41 <phenny> jsled: Horses stampede at parade, injuring 24 - CNN.com
22:37:47 <jsled> Why do those horses hate our freedom
22:37:48 <jsled> ¿
22:40:35 <[bjoern]> "By the way, 'nine meters' in english is ...?"
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22:47:07 <laplink> [[[
22:47:07 <laplink> The real kicker is that Crazy Horse refused to be photographed in his life,
22:47:08 <laplink> and was so adamant about it that no images of him are believed to exist.
22:47:08 <laplink> So, carving a 563-foot tall sculpture of him that dominates the Great Plains
22:47:08 <laplink> actually kind of serves as the most elaborate "fuck you" ever conceived by
22:47:08 <laplink> mankind.
22:47:11 <laplink> ]]] — http://www.cracked.com/article_18606_8-historic-symbols-that-mean-opposite-what-you-think_p2.html
22:49:43 <nsh> back laatttahs
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22:59:14 <[bjoern]> good pix/caption http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/politics/10500996.stm
22:59:20 <[bjoern]> .title
22:59:21 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC News - Tony Blair police protection costs under scrutiny
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